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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
    154

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kjironman1 said:
Hoops... It’s the only talent they have. It ain’t good but it ain’t Wade Baldwin bad.
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So fans are so stupid that they support a team without much talent but would stop supporting it if they tried something different with that lousy talent?
 
hoopsjock said:
I'm just going to ignore all the other bullshit from your post.

Don't you think there is pressure to play Turner given he makes $17.8 million versus the minimum contract of Baldwin? You don't think they pretty much have to play Turner after propping up how great it is going to be with him leading the 2nd unit surrounded by shooters? As @TorturedBlazerFan eluded to, you don't think Stotts is coaching for his job and is afraid to take risks right now?
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Of course you will ignore it. It puts you on blast so you don't want to read it.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think its fit and system. The idea was flawed this summer. The idea was make him a PG / Ball handler and surround him with shooters. The flaw he’s not a threat on offense, he’s not good enough as a floor general to get around that. Rondo might be the best floor general around and his lack of shooting has made him a journeyman pg that hasnt stuck, and he’s won a championship. The spacing is bad, the offense doesnt really flow. They’re very dependant on the 3 ball dropping, which yes most teams are these days but their spacing to get good shots is bad. ET doesnt fit that.

I think ET like most role players could be solid in the right situation, but Portland with Stotts isnt it.
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I just don't like the idea of guards who can't shoot. If they are an elite playmaker or defender then mayyyyybe but Turner is neither of those.
 
hoopsjock said:
So fans are so stupid that they support a team without much talent but would stop supporting it if they tried something different with that lousy talent?
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I already covered that also. Go back and read.
 
kjironman1 said:
Now at this point nobody anywhere said to bench Dame or CJ. But i did say the NBA markets them. Marketing them means they need to play and play as well as they can with the players that help them win.
Now you can also see where Hoops changes his statement to playing other players than Leonard Turner and Stauskas. Remember he wants to give a "Ton of minutes to Simmons, Baldwin, Layman (Who i agree wholeheartedly with) and Collins(who is already getting nearly 20 mins a game).
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You literally fucking said that the team needs Dame, CJ, and Nurk to play. Not once did I ever fucking say anything about not playing them. SO how the fuck did I change what I said? I've had the same fucking stance since the beginning.

You are the one all over the fucking map. Fuck off.
 
kjironman1 said:
Now he is on Turner saying saying he doesn't give the team the best chance but he muddies the water even more and says "While Stotts is coach and Dame is on the team.

From there on out its all off the topic. This is you and Hoops game. You both have been at it for about a year now. You can't beat people down into thinking your way. That is not the way the forum works. Both of you are very intelligent posters that do some research but unfortunately it's pretty one sided and only the way you believe things to be. This is the last time i go back and spell shit out for you. I have way too much going on in the real world and i will not be bullied on a forum i was a member of before either of you. Go ahead and be the posters that make the most comments on here and try to gang up on people but it isn't bringing more people around. It's simply running people off. Good people who love the Blazers just as much as both of you do. Have a nice night.
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Okay, I get it now. You think I actually give a fuck about changing your opinion? You can think however the fuck you want. There is no fucking bullying going on. You are completely out of line and I seriously have no fucking clue why you can't just talk about basketball instead of turning this into something it isn't.
 
So seems like the Jist of this is:
KJ’s point I believe is that.
  • The talent isnt good outside if mostly Dame.
  • Benching guys like ML, ET, Nik, and Seth would be seen as tanking. Their replacements would be worse.
Hoops is basically saying.The current Bench guys have been pretty bad lets see what the young guys have.
  • He believes they couldnt be worse and would possibly be better and if nothing else then they could jump start developing guys like Simons.

Also sorry if Im putting words into your mouths. Im just trying to cut through the fat so to speak.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
So seems like the Just of this is:
KJ’s point I believe is that.
  • The talent isnt good outside if mostly Dame.
  • Benching guys like ML, ET, Nik, and Seth would be seen as tanking. Their replacements would be worse.
Hoops is basically saying.The current Bench guys have been pretty bad lets see what the young guys have.
  • He believes they couldnt be worse and would possibly be better and if nothing else then they could jump start developing guys like Simons.

Also sorry if Im putting words into your mouths. Im just trying to cut through the fat so to speak.
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That's pretty much it from my side. I'm not sure where the "bullying" comes in.
 
hoopsjock said:
Okay, I get it now. You think I actually give a fuck about changing your opinion? You can think however the fuck you want. There is no fucking bullying going on. You are completely out of line and I seriously have no fucking clue why you can't just talk about basketball instead of turning this into something it isn't.
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This is his thing sometimes. He'll be fine 9 conversations out of 10, and then the 10th is like this. I dont get it either.

But me and you are really something!
 
kjironman1 said:
Both of you are really something. I get in here a couple times a month for any extended conversations. Other than that it's check the game thread and see what notifications i got waiting. This particular thread has been going since 2016 and has 39 pages by last count almost 800 comments. Go back and read some of them. Over the last couple years a number of people have come in with a different view and it seems they are not allowed that view.

Anyway that was way off topic. I simply responded to a simple statement with

It was kind of a light hearted poke but yes it was a poke at Hoops.
He responded with-

I responded with-

He responded with-

I responded with-


Can you read the part where it says "You will get no argument from me on that"?
This is where the plot thickens--------
Hoops responded with-


Now at this point nobody anywhere said to bench Dame or CJ. But i did say the NBA markets them. Marketing them means they need to play and play as well as they can with the players that help them win.
Now you can also see where Hoops changes his statement to playing other players than Leonard Turner and Stauskas. Remember he wants to give a "Ton of minutes to Simmons, Baldwin, Layman (Who i agree wholeheartedly with) and Collins(who is already getting nearly 20 mins a game).
So i respond with-

So Hoops then comes back with making this about Turner and Leonard (These are both of your stand by whipping posts)

At this point i'm still trying to stay on topic. Talking about the team trying to win or are they trying to develop. Honestly at this point i ask an honest question. I even said "Play Em" I actually agree because this season to me is meaningless at this point. The team is a 42 win team maybe?

Here is Hoops response-

Now he is on Turner saying saying he doesn't give the team the best chance but he muddies the water even more and says "While Stotts is coach and Dame is on the team.

From there on out its all off the topic. This is you and Hoops game. You both have been at it for about a year now. You can't beat people down into thinking your way. That is not the way the forum works. Both of you are very intelligent posters that do some research but unfortunately it's pretty one sided and only the way you believe things to be. This is the last time i go back and spell shit out for you. I have way too much going on in the real world and i will not be bullied on a forum i was a member of before either of you. Go ahead and be the posters that make the most comments on here and try to gang up on people but it isn't bringing more people around. It's simply running people off. Good people who love the Blazers just as much as both of you do. Have a nice night.

I got a stadium seating area to build and keep on schedule. Then i have to get back to Vegas and help the Raiders Stadium. Then hopefully the airport terminal will be ready and with any luck we can start a baseball stadium soon. I'll drop in when i have time but don't expect me to cowtow to either of you again.
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I gotta respond to this over like 4 separate posts.

But you insinuated it, or you are unaware as to how unclear you can be. You said "Can you imagine the outcry if Portland showed up at games and sat their best players? Seriously. It's not just Stotts. The NBA markets teams and Lillard/CJ/Nurk are part of the marketing plan." Nobody was talking about sitting their best players, so where did that even come from? This response makes it seem like you think he was. Hoops was talking about replacing bench players the whole time. He responded to that, and then you accused him of being all over the place and not making sense because of it. Do you follow this? It's as if you make up things in your head, put it inside people's posts, and then respond. Meh, you dont even want to try to understand, youd rather sit back behind this self-righteous persona and take pot shots and attribute fallacies to peoples words.
 
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kjironman1 said:
Both of you are really something. I get in here a couple times a month for any extended conversations. Other than that it's check the game thread and see what notifications i got waiting. This particular thread has been going since 2016 and has 39 pages by last count almost 800 comments. Go back and read some of them. Over the last couple years a number of people have come in with a different view and it seems they are not allowed that view.

Anyway that was way off topic. I simply responded to a simple statement with

It was kind of a light hearted poke but yes it was a poke at Hoops.
He responded with-

I responded with-

He responded with-

I responded with-


Can you read the part where it says "You will get no argument from me on that"?
This is where the plot thickens--------
Hoops responded with-


Now at this point nobody anywhere said to bench Dame or CJ. But i did say the NBA markets them. Marketing them means they need to play and play as well as they can with the players that help them win.
Now you can also see where Hoops changes his statement to playing other players than Leonard Turner and Stauskas. Remember he wants to give a "Ton of minutes to Simmons, Baldwin, Layman (Who i agree wholeheartedly with) and Collins(who is already getting nearly 20 mins a game).
So i respond with-

So Hoops then comes back with making this about Turner and Leonard (These are both of your stand by whipping posts)

At this point i'm still trying to stay on topic. Talking about the team trying to win or are they trying to develop. Honestly at this point i ask an honest question. I even said "Play Em" I actually agree because this season to me is meaningless at this point. The team is a 42 win team maybe?

Here is Hoops response-

Now he is on Turner saying saying he doesn't give the team the best chance but he muddies the water even more and says "While Stotts is coach and Dame is on the team.

From there on out its all off the topic. This is you and Hoops game. You both have been at it for about a year now. You can't beat people down into thinking your way. That is not the way the forum works. Both of you are very intelligent posters that do some research but unfortunately it's pretty one sided and only the way you believe things to be. This is the last time i go back and spell shit out for you. I have way too much going on in the real world and i will not be bullied on a forum i was a member of before either of you. Go ahead and be the posters that make the most comments on here and try to gang up on people but it isn't bringing more people around. It's simply running people off. Good people who love the Blazers just as much as both of you do. Have a nice night.

I got a stadium seating area to build and keep on schedule. Then i have to get back to Vegas and help the Raiders Stadium. Then hopefully the airport terminal will be ready and with any luck we can start a baseball stadium soon. I'll drop in when i have time but don't expect me to cowtow to either of you again.
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Quit saying that weak stuff man. Saying that to someone because they disagree with you is silly.
 
kjironman1 said:
Both of you are really something. I get in here a couple times a month for any extended conversations. Other than that it's check the game thread and see what notifications i got waiting. This particular thread has been going since 2016 and has 39 pages by last count almost 800 comments. Go back and read some of them. Over the last couple years a number of people have come in with a different view and it seems they are not allowed that view.

Anyway that was way off topic. I simply responded to a simple statement with

It was kind of a light hearted poke but yes it was a poke at Hoops.
He responded with-

I responded with-

He responded with-

I responded with-


Can you read the part where it says "You will get no argument from me on that"?
This is where the plot thickens--------
Hoops responded with-


Now at this point nobody anywhere said to bench Dame or CJ. But i did say the NBA markets them. Marketing them means they need to play and play as well as they can with the players that help them win.
Now you can also see where Hoops changes his statement to playing other players than Leonard Turner and Stauskas. Remember he wants to give a "Ton of minutes to Simmons, Baldwin, Layman (Who i agree wholeheartedly with) and Collins(who is already getting nearly 20 mins a game).
So i respond with-

So Hoops then comes back with making this about Turner and Leonard (These are both of your stand by whipping posts)

At this point i'm still trying to stay on topic. Talking about the team trying to win or are they trying to develop. Honestly at this point i ask an honest question. I even said "Play Em" I actually agree because this season to me is meaningless at this point. The team is a 42 win team maybe?

Here is Hoops response-

Now he is on Turner saying saying he doesn't give the team the best chance but he muddies the water even more and says "While Stotts is coach and Dame is on the team.

From there on out its all off the topic. This is you and Hoops game. You both have been at it for about a year now. You can't beat people down into thinking your way. That is not the way the forum works. Both of you are very intelligent posters that do some research but unfortunately it's pretty one sided and only the way you believe things to be. This is the last time i go back and spell shit out for you. I have way too much going on in the real world and i will not be bullied on a forum i was a member of before either of you. Go ahead and be the posters that make the most comments on here and try to gang up on people but it isn't bringing more people around. It's simply running people off. Good people who love the Blazers just as much as both of you do. Have a nice night.

I got a stadium seating area to build and keep on schedule. Then i have to get back to Vegas and help the Raiders Stadium. Then hopefully the airport terminal will be ready and with any luck we can start a baseball stadium soon. I'll drop in when i have time but don't expect me to cowtow to either of you again.
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How does that muddy the water? Muddying the water is more your thing, and I explained it earlier if you dont understand (you probably still wont). Reading between the lines, hes saying that Turner isnt more productive than Baldwin would be, in part because Stotts doesnt use ET right/allows him too much freedom, and because ET doesnt fit with Dame. I dont know how that's muddying the water because you dont understand it.

Nobody is trying to beat you down. The annoyance with you DOES NOT come from you having a different point of view. You saying it does though, is what's really annoying. It comes from how unclear your posts can be, and then accusing others of being "all over the map" and "unfollowable" simply because you dont understand them, or have confused them with your lack of clarity. That's where the annoyance lies, in your communication. So dont say BS like "You can't beat people down into thinking your way. That is not the way the forum works." Nobody's trying to do that chief. I couldn't care less about your opinion. It's about the crap you say. Im obviously not the only one who feels this way. Need more examples?

"You guys gang up on people". Since when? This is literally the first argument I've backed HJ in like this. You're just sitting here making crap to falsely make you sound like a victim and make us sound as bad as possible. That's petty and ridiculous. Another example? "I will not be bullied". Bruh, nobody's bullying you! Do you seriously think you're being bullied? That's ridiculous. You're talking more shit about us! So get outta here with that.

You turned this conversation into this. You're so off-base it's not even funny.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
So seems like the Jist of this is:
KJ’s point I believe is that.
  • The talent isnt good outside if mostly Dame.
  • Benching guys like ML, ET, Nik, and Seth would be seen as tanking. Their replacements would be worse.
Hoops is basically saying.The current Bench guys have been pretty bad lets see what the young guys have.
  • He believes they couldnt be worse and would possibly be better and if nothing else then they could jump start developing guys like Simons.

Also sorry if Im putting words into your mouths. Im just trying to cut through the fat so to speak.
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This is pretty much what I got. Add:

KJironman

  • The NBA being an entertainment industry dictates teams playing their best players.
  • Fans wouldn't like watching the younger players take the pkace of our brnch players because the Blazers bench would be worse then it already is and they would lose even more.
  • Fans don't like watching teams tank
  • Tanking doesn't benefit the front office who loses money if the team doesn't win

Hoopsjock

  • Part of a sucessful team is developing young players. Not developing young players by not playing them leads to high turnover of players and limited success in rebuilding teams. Not playing Baldwin/Layman/Simons means these players won't develop, will eventually leave, and the Blazers will continue to run in place going nowhere fast.

Look, you guys have differing opinions and are offering different ideas. That is the point of a forum. If you can't agree, agree to disagree. No need for hostility on either side. I think you both have valid points.

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Chris Craig said:
This is pretty much what I got. Add:

KJironman

  • The NBA being an entertainment industry dictates teams playing their best players.
  • Fans wouldn't like watching the younger players take the pkace of our brnch players because the Blazers bench would be worse then it already is and they would lose even more.
  • Fans don't like watching teams tank
  • Tanking doesn't benefit the front office who loses money if the team doesn't win

Hoopsjock

  • Part of a sucessful team is developing young players. Not developing young players by not playing them leads to high turnover of players and limited success in rebuilding teams. Not playing Baldwin/Layman/Simons means these players won't develop, will eventually leave, and the Blazers will continue to run in place going nowhere fast.

Look, you guys have differing opinions and are offering different ideas. That is the point of a forum. If you can't agree, agree to disagree. No need for hostility on either side. I think you both have valid points.

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That's not really what HoopsJock is saying, but all this isn't about the disagreement itself, it's about the communication.
 
BonesJones said:
That's not really what HoopsJock is saying, but all this isn't about the disagreement itself, it's about the communication.
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Yeah, communication is good. They both offered two different ideas. Neither KJ or Hoops really validated the other. They both kept saying, this is what I am saying and you are not getting it. Better communication would probably have saved two - three pages in this thread and some irritability.
 
Chris Craig said:
This is pretty much what I got. Add:

KJironman

  • The NBA being an entertainment industry dictates teams playing their best players.
  • Fans wouldn't like watching the younger players take the pkace of our brnch players because the Blazers bench would be worse then it already is and they would lose even more.
  • Fans don't like watching teams tank
  • Tanking doesn't benefit the front office who loses money if the team doesn't win

Hoopsjock

  • Part of a sucessful team is developing young players. Not developing young players by not playing them leads to high turnover of players and limited success in rebuilding teams. Not playing Baldwin/Layman/Simons means these players won't develop, will eventually leave, and the Blazers will continue to run in place going nowhere fast.

Look, you guys have differing opinions and are offering different ideas. That is the point of a forum. If you can't agree, agree to disagree. No need for hostility on either side. I think you both have valid points.

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I thought we were discussing it fine and all of a sudden KJ accused myself and Bones of bullying him like we have some agenda. I even tried to respond to JUST the basketball portion of one of his ridiculous posts to get it back on track and his response was this:

kjironman1 said:
Of course you will ignore it. It puts you on blast so you don't want to read it.
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I'm really having a tough team figuring out where he is coming from.
 
hoopsjock said:
I thought we were discussing it fine and all of a sudden KJ accused myself and Bones of bullying him like we have some agenda. I even tried to respond to JUST the basketball portion of one of his ridiculous posts to get it back on track and his response was this:



I'm really having a tough team figuring out where he is coming from.
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Thing is, he's done stuff like this to me in the past and then tries to turn it into him being the victim. It's quite annoying.

He's a fine poster otherwise. I dont get it.
 
Well by the end of next year we will have to refer to him as Terry Stotts, most coaching wins in Blazer history...
 
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