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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
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Jade Falcon said:
No, I want an EFFICIENT, SMART coach who knows what basic things are. Like timeouts.
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Its pretty incredible that Stotts, coaching in the NBA since 1994, 25 years, alongside dozens of other coaches like George Karl and Rick Carlisle, surrounded by NBA players, scouts, management, almost daily for about 3 decades and following a playing career, doesn't know what "basic things are, like timeouts".

This is ridiculous. Questioning coaching is fine, but migod, I wish people could spend a day or two with actual NBA coaches and listen to them talk and maybe they'd realize how much they know. As the saying goes, they have forgotten more basketball than most people will ever know. Is Stotts the next John Wooden? Nope. And maybe a fresh face is necessary. But its not about Terry Stotts not knowing how to coach, or how to use timeouts or whatever. Last night for example - that's a good road win. The Kings are better than they have been for years. Anyone in here credit Stotts for Anything, or just waiting to pounce on him if they would have lost? its illogical. You cannot give blame to someone and then not give that same person credit if things go well. They have the 10th best record in the NBA.
 
Jade Falcon said:
I thought I saw Stotts angry at Nurk about something during a timeout before it cut to commercial. What the hell could he possibly be pissy with Nurk about? Was 5x5 not good enough or something?
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I don't know maybe he was coaching him.
 
I swear winning blinds people.

Every time this team goes on a little winning streak, you have a group of fans crapping all over anyone that dared to be critical, as if issues still don’t exist. I’d give specific examples, but they’ve been discussed ad nauseam.

Save that energy for when this team actually evolves. Going on a winning streak isn’t evolution, especially not when it happens every season. Let’s see the team change the way they play. Let’s see in game adjustments. Let’s see Stotts hold CJ to the same standard he holds everyone else to. Let’s see them win a playoff game, nevermind advance. Then, maybe we can talk. Until then, same old, same old. Look at the forest, not the trees.
 
Scalma said:
I swear winning blinds people.

Every time this team goes on a little winning streak, you have a group of fans crapping all over anyone that dared to be critical, as if issues still don’t exist. I’d give specific examples, but they’ve been discussed ad nauseam.

Save that energy for when this team actually evolves. Going on a winning streak isn’t evolution, especially not when it happens every season. Let’s see the team change the way they play. Let’s see in game adjustments. Let’s see Stotts hold CJ to the same standard he holds everyone else to. Let’s see them win a playoff game, nevermind advance. Then, maybe we can talk. Until then, same old, same old. Look at the forest, not the trees.
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Winning streak? 2 games? Also said ad nauseam is that no one thinks he’s Greg popovich. But the constant blaming after every loss and most WINS of Stotts is stale. To think people know more or have some better insight as to coaching basketball vs an NBA - who is as widely respected as Stotts- is laughable. If they fire him and get someone better awesome.
 
calvin natt said:
Winning streak? 2 games? Also said ad nauseam is that no one thinks he’s Greg popovich. But the constant blaming after every loss and most WINS of Stotts is stale. To think people know more or have some better insight as to coaching basketball vs an NBA - who is as widely respected as Stotts- is laughable. If they fire him and get someone better awesome.
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I get calling out people who question his knowledge of timeouts or whatever, but to me it’s just hyperbole. I don’t think anyone actually believes he’s that stupid.
 
calvin natt said:
Winning streak? 2 games? Also said ad nauseam is that no one thinks he’s Greg popovich. But the constant blaming after every loss and most WINS of Stotts is stale. To think people know more or have some better insight as to coaching basketball vs an NBA - who is as widely respected as Stotts- is laughable. If they fire him and get someone better awesome.
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Damn, so it doesnt makes sense to ever criticize an NBA head coach and they are never to blame because they know more? Yikes.

You ever think about how, most of the people in here who truly know basketball want Stotts gone? Obviously hes smart... he's a head coach. That doesnt make his deficiencies any less glaring, and I've listed them on numerous occasions. Rarely does a Stotts supporter discuss those basketball reasons, instead it's "His talent sucks" or "he knows more than you". That's weak.
 
Scalma said:
I get calling out people who question his knowledge of timeouts or whatever, but to me it’s just hyperbole. I don’t think anyone actually believes he’s that stupid.
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Depends on the context. For an average person he most definitely isnt. For an NBA coach, I'd say he is. People like to dumb that down by switching the context.
 
BonesJones said:
Damn, so it just makes sense to ever criticize an NBA head coach and they are never to blame because they know more? Yikes.

You ever think about how, most of the people in here who truly know basketball want Stotts gone? Obviously hes smart x he's a head coach. That doesnt make his deficiencies any less glaring, and I've listed them on numerous occasions. Rarely does a Stotts supporter discuss those basketball reasons, instead it's "His talent sucks" or "he knows more than you". That's weak.
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Of course stotts knows more about basketball than fans. The issue isn’t that he’s stupid. The issue is that he’s stubborn. That’s actaully the issue with most coaches that end up getting fired. Take Pop for example. He’s not successful because he’s smarter than every other coach. He’s successful because he’s the most open minded. Just look at some of his assistant hires.
 
BonesJones said:
Damn, so it doesnt makes sense to ever criticize an NBA head coach and they are never to blame because they know more? Yikes.

You ever think about how, most of the people in here who truly know basketball want Stotts gone? Obviously hes smart... he's a head coach. That doesnt make his deficiencies any less glaring, and I've listed them on numerous occasions. Rarely does a Stotts supporter discuss those basketball reasons, instead it's "His talent sucks" or "he knows more than you". That's weak.
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People can have opinions. Fine. It’s the overly simplistic solutions that fans have that is annoying. These guys spend 8 mo with these players obsessing Day and night about the team. They have experience. They have played and coached for years. There is an entire staff working long hours to win games. But HOLY SHIT HE DIDNT CALL A TIMEOUT. Fuck that. “See! Dave Joerger just called timeout!” Yeah. And Dave Joerger just blew a lead at home. So? Does he suck now? Or he’s great? And lost? What is it? If someone has an issue with their style of play or some significant decisions that are not game by game but real strategic or philosophical opinions fine. But even then, let’s hold everrreeyone accountable.
 
calvin natt said:
People can have opinions. Fine. It’s the overly simplistic solutions that fans have that is annoying. These guys spend 8 mo with these players obsessing Day and night about the team. They have experience. They have played and coached for years. There is an entire staff working long hours to win games. But HOLY SHIT HE DIDNT CALL A TIMEOUT. Fuck that. “See! Dave Joerger just called timeout!” Yeah. And Dave Joerger just blew a lead at home. So? Does he suck now? Or he’s great? And lost? What is it? If someone has an issue with their style of play or some significant decisions that are not game by game but real strategic or philosophical opinions fine. But even then, let’s hold everrreeyone accountable.
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Kings fans think Joerger sucks, FWIW. They were pissed that he pulled Giles for WCS, and left him in there even though Nurk was having his way. They totally blame coaching for the loss.
 
Scalma said:
Of course stotts knows more about basketball than fans. The issue isn’t that he’s stupid. The issue is that he’s stubborn. That’s actaully the issue with most coaches that end up getting fired. Take Pop for example. He’s not successful because he’s smarter than every other coach. He’s successful because he’s the most open minded. Just look at some of his assistant hires.
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A) Pop is the best ever imo so it’s tough to hold him as the barometer for coaches but ok
B) the Spurs, because of Pop, have one of the most strict and non-negotiable basketball “climates” in the NBA. There is “the Spurs way”- an actual thing. You do it his way or you are gone. Kawhi didn’t like it. They do things that no other team does on a daily basis. Perhaps it’s his Air Force background. He is open minded on societal and social issues, which i love. But in basketball? No.
 
yuyuza1 said:
90 more games in fact. Dunleavy only got 296.

Terry is currently fourth in the NBA among longest tenured active coaches behind only Pop (23 yrs), Spoelstra (11 yrs), and Carlisle (11 yrs).
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Man, if that ain't a Sesame Street bit!
One of these things is not like the other, one of these things does not belong!
 
calvin natt said:
A) Pop is the best ever imo so it’s tough to hold him as the barometer for coaches but ok
B) the Spurs, because of Pop, have one of the most strict and non-negotiable basketball “climates” in the NBA. There is “the Spurs way”- an actual thing. You do it his way or you are gone. Kawhi didn’t like it. They do things that no other team does on a daily basis. Perhaps it’s his Air Force background. He is open minded on societal and social issues, which i love. But in basketball? No.
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Disagree. Popovich builds personal relationships with almost all his players. Obviously not every player is going to be open to it, but that’s not on Pop. It’s what allows him to bench a Ginobili, or scream at a Parker, without the risk of losing them. Look how open minded he was with Aldridge as well. He took responsibility for his first season, and adjusted the offense accordingly.
 
calvin natt said:
People can have opinions. Fine. It’s the overly simplistic solutions that fans have that is annoying. These guys spend 8 mo with these players obsessing Day and night about the team. They have experience. They have played and coached for years. There is an entire staff working long hours to win games. But HOLY SHIT HE DIDNT CALL A TIMEOUT. Fuck that. “See! Dave Joerger just called timeout!” Yeah. And Dave Joerger just blew a lead at home. So? Does he suck now? Or he’s great? And lost? What is it? If someone has an issue with their style of play or some significant decisions that are not game by game but real strategic or philosophical opinions fine. But even then, let’s hold everrreeyone accountable.
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Stotts is notoriously late at calling timeouts. What does Joerger blowing a lead have to do with Stotts not being able to consistently call timely timeouts?
 
Scalma said:
I swear winning blinds people.

Every time this team goes on a little winning streak, you have a group of fans crapping all over anyone that dared to be critical, as if issues still don’t exist. I’d give specific examples, but they’ve been discussed ad nauseam.

Save that energy for when this team actually evolves. Going on a winning streak isn’t evolution, especially not when it happens every season. Let’s see the team change the way they play. Let’s see in game adjustments. Let’s see Stotts hold CJ to the same standard he holds everyone else to. Let’s see them win a playoff game, nevermind advance. Then, maybe we can talk. Until then, same old, same old. Look at the forest, not the trees.
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You could literally say the exact thing about losing.
 
calvin natt said:
[Pops] is open minded on societal and social issues, which i love. But in basketball? No.
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Disagree. Yes, he is absolutely a stickler for executing the game plan. But he's consistently changed his game plan as the roster changed over the years. He also let Tony Parker play through his mistakes in order to better teach him how to do what he wanted him to do - whereas with Stotts a player can get benched for weeks for a single lapse (unless they're Dame, CJ, Aminu, or Turner).
 
blue9 said:
Disagree. Yes, he is absolutely a stickler for executing the game plan. But he's consistently changed his game plan as the roster changed over the years. He also let Tony Parker play through his mistakes in order to better teach him how to do what he wanted him to do - whereas with Stotts a player can get benched for weeks for a single lapse (unless they're Dame, CJ, Aminu, or Turner).
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Which doesn’t even make any sense when you think about it. Young players need confidence. The vets can handle a benching. They’re established, matured, and paid. But benching a younger player the minute he makes a mistake seems counterproductive to me. Look at how he handled Vonleh. Even in the limited minutes he did get, he wasn’t trusted to do anything except set a screen and crash the boards. The fuck kind of development is that? Layman is this years Vonleh. Relatively speaking, the only time he trusts younger players is when he’s forced to (Lillard, CJ, Crabbe, Connaughton)
 
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Scalma said:
Disagree. Popovich builds personal relationships with almost all his players. Obviously not every player is going to be open to it, but that’s not on Pop. It’s what allows him to bench a Ginobili, or scream at a Parker, without the risk of losing them. Look how open minded he was with Aldridge as well. He took responsibility for his first season, and adjusted the offense accordingly.
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So Stotts doesn’t have relationships with his players? The ones who all love him?
 
My issue is when things are proven to work such as ball movement, playing through the bigs at the top of the key, playing Dame off the ball, and pushing the tempo but then we hit a little adversity and revert right back to not doing those things. Either Stotts is coaching poorly or he's not holding players accountable which is bad coaching either way.

For example, in the Pelicans series Dame got doubled basically every time we ran pick and roll with a hard hedge from their bigs. Yet there we were in Game 4 still running pick and roll almost every play in the 1st half. By the time we started playing through Nurk (he dominated the 4th of Game 4) it was too late.
 
calvin natt said:
So Stotts doesn’t have relationships with his players? The ones who all love him?
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He’s a good guy. Doesn’t mean everyone likes playing for him. For example, Harkless had to lean on Tibbets to keep his frustrations in check. You think guys like being iced out of the offense? Pops hammers ball movement. Stotts just lets his guards, specifically his shooting guard, do whatever they want, and everyone else can get fucked. The way they’ve played through Nurk lately has been encouraging, UNTIL you listen to Stotts talking about him. Doesn’t sound like something that he’ll stick to once some adversity hits.
 
Scalma said:
Stotts just lets his guards, specifically his shooting guard, do whatever they want, and everyone else can get fucked.
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It's not like there's a choice...now that Nurk and Chief and others like Seth are getting double digit scoring that seems to have calmed down a bit. We don't win games with 2 guys in double figures...they know that. Players miss shots, turn the ball over and lose by poor execution..from what I see Stotts has coached very few clinkers but our shooters have had long slumps. Stotts system gets guys shots...they have to knock them down
 
What I’m afraid of is that Stotts will get fired before Olshey. Olshey is under contract for two more seasons while Stotts expires after next season. The worst situation to be in is as a lame duck coach, so my guess is he will go first. Both need to be fired, but Olshey should be first. I don’t want him in charge of hiring the next coach either.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Kings fans think Joerger sucks, FWIW. They were pissed that he pulled Giles for WCS, and left him in there even though Nurk was having his way. They totally blame coaching for the loss.
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WCS was slower than heck last night. I usually like his game but he didn't impress me last night.
Both teams relied on the long ball to either get the lead and the blazers used it to regain the lead in regulation.
But Nurk was the difference especially on the d side of the ball.
 
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Scalma said:
He’s a good guy. Doesn’t mean everyone likes playing for him. For example, Harkless had to lean on Tibbets to keep his frustrations in check. You think guys like being iced out of the offense? Pops hammers ball movement. Stotts just lets his guards, specifically his shooting guard, do whatever they want, and everyone else can get fucked. The way they’ve played through Nurk lately has been encouraging, UNTIL you listen to Stotts talking about him. Doesn’t sound like something that he’ll stick to once some adversity hits.
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There isn’t a coach in the league where every player is happy or likes playing for him. My answer would be “oh really Mo Harkless how about you playing harder and better and more consistently and not cry like a bitch to the assistants”. I’m not sure it’s obvious there are a ton of other ways to build your offense with this roster without being heavy, heavy guard oriented and giving those two a lot of freedom. I have a feeling if Stotts did NOT do that, we’d be sitting around saying “wtf why are we giving shots to Mo and Aminu and Evan and not giving more freedom to our two best scorers and players”.

Just to put a bow on this thing. I’m not a die hard Stotts or Olshey guy. I just don’t think they are all to blame. It’s a players league. Stotts has managed to win a lot of games in Portland with a less than ideal roster. Neil like I said a few weeks ago does some things well imo but he needs some additional staff to kick this things into a higher sense of urgency.
 
calvin natt said:
Just to put a bow on this thing. I’m not a die hard Stotts or Olshey guy. I just don’t think they are all to blame. It’s a players league. Stotts has managed to win a lot of games in Portland with a less than ideal roster. Neil like I said a few weeks ago does some things well imo but he needs some additional staff to kick this things into a higher sense of urgency.
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Fair enough
 
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