Fire Stotts Eventually (1 Viewer)

[illmatic99]

Who you bringing in then FAMS? Who is righting this shit show of a team?

Think this is the flawed kinda thinking.

1. had you heard of Nick Nurse before he came to the Raptors?
2. How about the guys coaching in OKC/IND?

you don't need big name coaches, you're the one who keeps bringing up Ty Lue, not me-- and it's not my job to find them. our POBO and people in the front office/vulcan are paid millions to know who these guys are who would put in the work, understand personalities, AND are adaptable enough to maximize players' strengths.

Next thing... I ABSOLUTELY DO believe this is the best roster we have put around Dame since the Aldridge/Batum/Wes teams and had no business being 25th and worse in defense before all our injuries. What we saw in the first ten games of this abbreviated season was exactly what we have seen from Terry's teams in his nine years here... mediocrity. Roco was first team all defense 2 seasons ago. Jones was a monster defensively last year. Nurk has historically been very good. Yet we saw no change.

And I'm JUST talking defense. think our offense is in spite of the system, not because of it.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think anybody is saying that. I think we have teams below us with HALL OF FAME and up and coming coaching geniuses with healthy rosters that aren't doing as good a job as Stotts. Want to try and steal coaching legend Tyron Lue to lead us to your promise land?

Lue and Stotts are the same dude. They ride the coattails of their superstar player and don't make waves. Stotts could go to LA and win a championship, I'm sure.

We don't need a players coach.

We need someone who has a nice mix of being a players coach but also has tighter reigns than Terry.

 

[calvin natt]

Players are like children. They need structure. If they have no structure, we see chaos, which has become all too often with this team.

How many times have you seen Dame/CJ/Melo and even GTJ take a completely fucking awful shot with no repercussions from Terry? That kind of offense and defense without accountability is what's hurting this team. I have seen GTJ get the ball, run down the court, and try to attack the rim against three defenders. Passing isn't even a thought in his mind. CJ does this too. We have one of the most selfish teams I have ever seen. It was extremely refreshing yesterday to see the young guys playing unselfishly and putting out effort on both ends.

So I will say again, Terry allowing this behavior is one of his biggest flaws. It's like he's afraid to hold his players accountable for mistakes. We have horrible ball movement under Stotts, and whether that's on the players or not, Terry isn't doing anything to fix it.

Probably - no, I think definitely- the hardest, most complicated, difficult job for nba coaching is the whole “hold them accountable” thing. I don’t disagree with it. But remember. These players all make more than the coach. They know this. The players are grown men. It’s a very fine line. I was there, in person, when PJ got choked by Spree because he wasn’t practicing well and throwing the ball all over the fucking gym. That’s an extreme example but that’s what these coaches deal with. Almost any other coach would have let him have a bad practice. Or a day off. PJ wasn’t wired like that. And got choked the fuck out. Again - extreme example. I think it’s likely Stotts could be tougher on his players. But for many of these guys it’s “kid gloves”.

 

[THE HCP]

He has a great relationship with Dame and CJ because he lets them do whatever the fuck they want. They have free reign.

Maybe, but I've also seen him talking to those guys in the lobby of the hotel late at night on long ass tough road trips. I think they respect him for things like that as well. I'm quite sure a lot of coaches have such open relationships with their stars. People skills are a large component of being a quality coach.

 

[jlprk]

Watching last nights game and Kevin Harlen just gave Stotts credit for keeping things together even the roster have been completely decimated by injuries.

It's his job to dominate the airwaves with a positive spin. Do you know anyone else like that?

 

[THE HCP]

We need someone who has a nice mix of being a players coach but also has tighter reigns than Terry.

I would be good with this as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

To blame just the coach is comedy bro.

Nobody is blaming just the coach dude.

Did you miss all the hate that Melo gets, pretty much since we re-signed him?

Nurk got a bunch of flak for looking disinterested.

CJ..... well.... CJ is the most polarizing player on our roster I think.

With that said, I refuse to give up on our roster until I see them with a new coach. We have no idea whether this team could contend with Dame or CJ until we see a new system.

 

[riverman]

It's his job to dominate the airwaves with a positive spin. Do you know anyone else like that?

Sure but he's a retired juggler now....broke one plate too many and called it quits

 

[THE HCP]

Nobody is blaming just the coach dude.

Did you miss all the hate that Melo gets, pretty much since we re-signed him?

Nurk got a bunch of flak for looking disinterested.

CJ..... well.... CJ is the most polarizing player on our roster I think.

With that said, I refuse to give up on our roster until I see them with a new coach. We have no idea whether this team could contend with Dame or CJ until we see a new system.

All that criticism is well deserved, and to think, with all that AND our roster in absolute shreds, we are still ahead of 10 or 11 teams in the west.

 

[Minstrel]

The team is mediocre because the overall basketball talent is mediocre. Also true: Stotts is a mediocre coach. If you have a better option available, you should fire Stotts. I don't think you should fire Stotts because it's easy and why not. Good franchises operate because they have a plan. Bad franchises operate on "why not" because they don't know what else to do. I'd like Portland to at least aspire to be a well-run franchise.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

No, that isn't really true. You might have to finds those posts sir.

ok

I prefer a Terry Stotts team when he's shorthanded to be honest. It forces him to be creative and try new things.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The team is mediocre because the overall basketball talent is mediocre. Also true: Stotts is a mediocre coach. If you have a better option available, you should fire Stotts. I don't think you should fire Stotts because it's easy and why not. Good franchises operate because they have a plan. Bad franchises operate on "why not" because they don't know what else to do. I'd like Portland to at least aspire to be a well-run franchise.

If you think a bad post-season record is a "plan" than by all means...

 

[THE HCP]

And on a side note, whether they fire Stotts or not, I'm neutral. I want what's best for this team and its success. I guess the only reason I'm even posting about this is that fact that I'm SO FUCKING TIRED or reading how HE is the reason we "suck"! It just gets so fucking old. And the fact that just because you fire this dude, we are all of a sudden a contender. Like I said, many factors involved.

 

[Minstrel]

If you think a bad post-season record is a "plan" than by all means...

That literally had nothing to do with what I said.

 

[THE HCP]

Think this is the flawed kinda thinking.

1. had you heard of Nick Nurse before he came to the Raptors?
2. How about the guys coaching in OKC/IND?

What about Charlotte and their coach? I mean, I could go search for new coaches who have struggled like you did with the 2 who have succeeded. What are the coaches doing wrong? Clifford in Orlando, Ryan Saunders in Minny.......the list goes on and on.
My opinion why those above have struggled, lack of talent.

 

[Natebishop3]

Can we hire Tom Brady to coach our team?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And on a side note, whether they fire Stotts or not, I'm neutral. I want what's best for this team and its success. I guess the only reason I'm even posting about this is that fact that I'm SO FUCKING TIRED or reading how HE is the reason we "suck"! It just gets so fucking old. And the fact that just because you fire this dude, we are all of a sudden a contender. Like I said, many factors involved.

Perhaps people don't think he's the reason that we suck, but just that his coaching doesn't actually bring anything positive to the team's performance. Essentially that Dame's presence would be sufficient for this team to win more than they lose, even if Stotts just stayed home every game. If people believe that to be the case, is it unreasonable for them to want a coach that elevates the talent he's given to work with?

 

[Minstrel]

Can we hire Tom Brady to coach our team?

I'd rather hire him as a player. He'd be our best quarterback since Scottie Pippen.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'd rather hire him as a player. He'd be our best quarterback since Scottie Pippen.

Meet in the middle and have him player coach?

 

[Minstrel]

Meet in the middle and have him player coach?

I'll wait to see how he does Sunday. He kinda got carried in the NFC Championship Game, which is the complaint about Stotts.

 

[Propagandist]

I was there, in person, when PJ got choked by Spree....

Uh...I want to know how and why...

 

[Natebishop3]

I'll wait to see how he does Sunday. He kinda got carried in the NFC Championship Game, which is the complaint about Stotts.

Sure, but unlike Stotts, he elevated his roster from a crap team to a SB contender!

 

[illmatic99]

What about Charlotte and their coach? I mean, I could go search for new coaches who have struggled like you did with the 2 who have succeeded. What are the coaches doing wrong? Clifford in Orlando, Ryan Saunders in Minny.......the list goes on and on.
My opinion why those above have struggled, lack of talent.

I actually really like Borrego from Charlotte. He has their team close to top 10 on defense without any stoppers per se.

 

[illmatic99]

I don't think you should fire Stotts because it's easy and why not. Good franchises operate because they have a plan. Bad franchises operate on "why not" because they don't know what else to do. I'd like Portland to at least aspire to be a well-run franchise.

I don't think anyone is advocating for that.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think anyone is advocating for that.

I feel like most people are, even if that's not how they explicitly think of it. Close to 100% of the team's problems are the players, but that's the hard thing to solve. The easy thing to do is to fire the coach. That's why almost every unhappy fanbase advocates firing the coach--because it's the quickest change you can make, whether or not it'll actually change much.

 

[Minstrel]

Sure, but unlike Stotts, he elevated his roster from a crap team to a SB contender!

Getting off-topic, but Tampa wasn't crap last year. It's remarkable how often I've heard "Brady took one of the worst teams to the Super Bowl!"

They had one of the best defenses, a solid offensive line (that they improved in the draft) and great skill position players. They were literally being sabotaged by their quarterback--Brady not only didn't sabotage the team, he was legitimately good. But he didn't single-handedly win with a trash team as people keep suggesting.

 

[Natebishop3]

Getting off-topic, but Tampa wasn't crap last year. It's remarkable how often I've heard "Brady took one of the worst teams to the Super Bowl!"

They had one of the best defenses, a solid offensive line (that they improved in the draft) and great skill position players. They were literally being sabotaged by their quarterback--Brady not only didn't sabotage the team, he was legitimately good. But he didn't single-handedly win with trash team as people keep suggesting.

FAKE NEWS!

 

[wizenheimer]

And on a side note, whether they fire Stotts or not, I'm neutral.

but you're not making neutral posts. Neutral doesn't incessantly push back against negative, which is what you've been doing

I think I'm a lot more neutral on Stotts than you are. I think he's had 9 seasons of flawed rosters, and I spent several of those seasons, fairly ambivalent about retaining Stotts...or firing him. Mainly because I think Olshey should be the first firing. But I'm convinced the Blazers need major changes; and that the players, especially Dame, need to be taken out of the comfort zones they've developed under Stotts because those comfort zone have created bad habits and low accountability

 

[Minstrel]

but you're not making neutral posts. Neutral doesn't incessantly push back against negative, which is what you've been doing

Sure it does, if the tide you're pushing back against is way more negative than warranted. Then "neutral" means bringing things back to where they should be.

Someone neutral on whether Stotts is good would disagree with the contention that Stotts is the worst coach in human history, for example. Not that anyone has said that, but the point is that you can be neutral and still push back on overly-negative analysis. And if you perceive a constant stream of overly-negative analysis, then that push back might be "incessant."

Thanks for making me defend the HCP. I need to go post a highly anti-Melo sentiment to make up for this.

 

[wizenheimer]

Sure it does, if the tide you're pushing back against is way more negative than warranted. Then "neutral" means bringing things back to where they should be.

Someone neutral on whether Stotts is good would disagree with the contention that Stotts is the worst coach in human history, for example. Not that anyone has said that, but the point is that you can be neutral and still push back on overly-negative analysis. And if you perceive a constant stream of overly-negative analysis, then that push back might be "incessant."

Thanks for making me defend the HCP. I need to go post a highly anti-Melo sentiment to make up for this.

we're quibbling about the trivial here, but I disagree. Again, HCP has been all over this forum pushing hard, in thread after thread, against people criticizing Stotts. That's not neutral. Neutral wouldn't care about a majority position. How often have you seen me post in this thread?

neutral wouldn't care if Stotts was fired