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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
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You don't understand. The definition of Top 10 coach is, any NBA coach who lasts 10 consecutive years with the same team because management was too lazy to try someone new. In all history, there have been fewer than 10. So that defines a Top 10 coach. If my subjective memory is correct, Stotts entered this elite 83 years ago. Time passes fast when you're having fun.
 
blue9 said:
Pops
Carlisle
Gentry
Stevens
Snyder
Kerr
D'Antoni
Rivers
Joerger
Budenholzer
Spo

I don't even know who's coaching DEN, PHI, TOR, MIL but they're probably better than Stotts. And I don't even particularly like half the names I listed, but they've all proven more that Stotts.
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Just going to take this list and run with it.
There are calls by the Philly fanbase to fire Brett Brown after Philly lost to the Wiz and then ATL. 'Process is over, bring in a coach to take us to the next level'.
Gentry while he's out coached two Portland coaches in the playoffs. His respective team's fanbase still would trade him for a Klondike bar. Look at tonight, he got blasted for not protecting AD.
Geko's fired former coach of the year and a coach who completely revamped their offense all because they got LeBron'd. Won't know if their decision is correct until well... They make it past the ECF and possibly it still won't be correct as they'll get to face GSW. Meaning they won't get dumpstered by LBJ, but they'll still get dumpstered...
If you go visit the Jazz forums you'll see many of the same arguments made about Synder by Utah fans, that several fans make on this forum about Stotts. Not to mention up until a week or so ago Utah was under .500.
That fanbase lamblasted Snyder during their streak late in the season last year. I even remember posts of 'I'd trade Synder for Stotts'. Can you imagine what was said about Snyder for coaching the Jazz to under .500?
Sure injures, but anyone who thinks fans let injures be an excuse is forgetting what happened after Portland got 4-1'd by GSW.
Kerr has yet to get GSW to gel this year. Being that Walton was able to coach that team just as well as Kerr. Not sure it's Kerr or if it's having the depth to bring a former finals MVP off the bench....
D'Antoni was getting hammered by Rockettes fans for their start. Not Memelol.
Joerger has yet to really show anything other than alienating his best players. Hell in November Divac issued a statement about his job security or lack there of...
Who knows how good Spo is, seems he might know what he's doing but what has he done since LBJ left? Relied on old man Wade to carry the team? Unable to get Whiteside to stay on the court is certainly one thing he's done.
Rivers has always done well in the regular season, but what does he do in the playoffs? Lose unless he has KG to carry him.

Brad Stevens, Carlisle, Pop.
Sure I can see those three being elite.
Now if only we could clone them.

I'm not against finding a new coach, just like I'm not against trading CJ.
But you have to have somewhat of a picture in mind of what you're looking to get.
Just naming names, in hopes the outlook changes is asinine.
Considering it's more of a 'grass is always greener' situation. As most of these coaches listed, if you actually looked... Have the same shit brought up about them by their respective fan bases as Stotts does.
 
H.C. said:
Just going to take this list and run with it.
There are calls by the Philly fanbase to fire Brett Brown after Philly lost to the Wiz and then ATL. 'Process is over, bring in a coach to take us to the next level'.
Gentry while he's out coached two Portland coaches in the playoffs. His respective team's fanbase still would trade him for a Klondike bar. Look at tonight, he got blasted for not protecting AD.
Geko's fired former coach of the year and a coach who completely revamped their offense all because they got LeBron'd. Won't know if their decision is correct until well... They make it past the ECF and possibly it still won't be correct as they'll get to face GSW. Meaning they won't get dumpstered by LBJ, but they'll still get dumpstered...
If you go visit the Jazz forums you'll see many of the same arguments made about Synder by Utah fans, that several fans make on this forum about Stotts. Not to mention up until a week or so ago Utah was under .500.
That fanbase lamblasted Snyder during their streak late in the season last year. I even remember posts of 'I'd trade Synder for Stotts'. Can you imagine what was said about Snyder for coaching the Jazz to under .500?
Sure injures, but anyone who thinks fans let injures be an excuse is forgetting what happened after Portland got 4-1'd by GSW.
Kerr has yet to get GSW to gel this year. Being that Walton was able to coach that team just as well as Kerr. Not sure it's Kerr or if it's having the depth to bring a former finals MVP off the bench....
D'Antoni was getting hammered by Rockettes fans for their start. Not Memelol.
Joerger has yet to really show anything other than alienating his best players. Hell in November Divac issued a statement about his job security or lack there of...
Who knows how good Spo is, seems he might know what he's doing but what has he done since LBJ left? Relied on old man Wade to carry the team? Unable to get Whiteside to stay on the court is certainly one thing he's done.
Rivers has always done well in the regular season, but what does he do in the playoffs? Lose unless he has KG to carry him.

Brad Stevens, Carlisle, Pop.
Sure I can see those three being elite.
Now if only we could clone them.

I'm not against finding a new coach, just like I'm not against trading CJ.
But you have to have somewhat of a picture in mind of what you're looking to get.
Just naming names, in hopes the outlook changes is asinine.
Considering it's more of a 'grass is always greener' situation. As most of these coaches listed, if you actually looked... Have the same shit brought up about them by their respective fan bases as Stotts does.
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Meh, I've read a lot of it. Many complaints aren't listed with legitimate basketball reasons. IF that was the case in here, Stotts' apologists would have a case.

It's not. Me (and many extremely knowledgeable posters) have pointed out countless basketball reasons and issues with Stotts' coaching. Much more in depth than I see other forums do with their respective coaches.
 
H.C. said:
Just going to take this list and run with it.
There are calls by the Philly fanbase to fire Brett Brown after Philly lost to the Wiz and then ATL. 'Process is over, bring in a coach to take us to the next level'.
Gentry while he's out coached two Portland coaches in the playoffs. His respective team's fanbase still would trade him for a Klondike bar. Look at tonight, he got blasted for not protecting AD.
Geko's fired former coach of the year and a coach who completely revamped their offense all because they got LeBron'd. Won't know if their decision is correct until well... They make it past the ECF and possibly it still won't be correct as they'll get to face GSW. Meaning they won't get dumpstered by LBJ, but they'll still get dumpstered...
If you go visit the Jazz forums you'll see many of the same arguments made about Synder by Utah fans, that several fans make on this forum about Stotts. Not to mention up until a week or so ago Utah was under .500.
That fanbase lamblasted Snyder during their streak late in the season last year. I even remember posts of 'I'd trade Synder for Stotts'. Can you imagine what was said about Snyder for coaching the Jazz to under .500?
Sure injures, but anyone who thinks fans let injures be an excuse is forgetting what happened after Portland got 4-1'd by GSW.
Kerr has yet to get GSW to gel this year. Being that Walton was able to coach that team just as well as Kerr. Not sure it's Kerr or if it's having the depth to bring a former finals MVP off the bench....
D'Antoni was getting hammered by Rockettes fans for their start. Not Memelol.
Joerger has yet to really show anything other than alienating his best players. Hell in November Divac issued a statement about his job security or lack there of...
Who knows how good Spo is, seems he might know what he's doing but what has he done since LBJ left? Relied on old man Wade to carry the team? Unable to get Whiteside to stay on the court is certainly one thing he's done.
Rivers has always done well in the regular season, but what does he do in the playoffs? Lose unless he has KG to carry him.

Brad Stevens, Carlisle, Pop.
Sure I can see those three being elite.
Now if only we could clone them.

I'm not against finding a new coach, just like I'm not against trading CJ.
But you have to have somewhat of a picture in mind of what you're looking to get.
Just naming names, in hopes the outlook changes is asinine.
Considering it's more of a 'grass is always greener' situation. As most of these coaches listed, if you actually looked... Have the same shit brought up about them by their respective fan bases as Stotts does.
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Just so it's clear, the last sentence of my post you quoted was "And I don't even particularly like half the names I listed, but they've all proven more that Stotts."

I'm not saying replace Stotts with any one of these guys - not by a long stretch. I believe I was replying to a comment that Stotts was clearly a Top 10 coach. I just rattled off however many names to illustrate that he is not clearly a Top 10 coach. He's a middle-of-the-pack regular season coach.
 
H.C. said:
Just going to take this list and run with it.
There are calls by the Philly fanbase to fire Brett Brown after Philly lost to the Wiz and then ATL. 'Process is over, bring in a coach to take us to the next level'.
Gentry while he's out coached two Portland coaches in the playoffs. His respective team's fanbase still would trade him for a Klondike bar. Look at tonight, he got blasted for not protecting AD.
Geko's fired former coach of the year and a coach who completely revamped their offense all because they got LeBron'd. Won't know if their decision is correct until well... They make it past the ECF and possibly it still won't be correct as they'll get to face GSW. Meaning they won't get dumpstered by LBJ, but they'll still get dumpstered...
If you go visit the Jazz forums you'll see many of the same arguments made about Synder by Utah fans, that several fans make on this forum about Stotts. Not to mention up until a week or so ago Utah was under .500.
That fanbase lamblasted Snyder during their streak late in the season last year. I even remember posts of 'I'd trade Synder for Stotts'. Can you imagine what was said about Snyder for coaching the Jazz to under .500?
Sure injures, but anyone who thinks fans let injures be an excuse is forgetting what happened after Portland got 4-1'd by GSW.
Kerr has yet to get GSW to gel this year. Being that Walton was able to coach that team just as well as Kerr. Not sure it's Kerr or if it's having the depth to bring a former finals MVP off the bench....
D'Antoni was getting hammered by Rockettes fans for their start. Not Memelol.
Joerger has yet to really show anything other than alienating his best players. Hell in November Divac issued a statement about his job security or lack there of...
Who knows how good Spo is, seems he might know what he's doing but what has he done since LBJ left? Relied on old man Wade to carry the team? Unable to get Whiteside to stay on the court is certainly one thing he's done.
Rivers has always done well in the regular season, but what does he do in the playoffs? Lose unless he has KG to carry him.

Brad Stevens, Carlisle, Pop.
Sure I can see those three being elite.
Now if only we could clone them.

I'm not against finding a new coach, just like I'm not against trading CJ.
But you have to have somewhat of a picture in mind of what you're looking to get.
Just naming names, in hopes the outlook changes is asinine.
Considering it's more of a 'grass is always greener' situation. As most of these coaches listed, if you actually looked... Have the same shit brought up about them by their respective fan bases as Stotts does.
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I'm not sure how Carlisle can be rated as being elite as he hasn't done much since the championship year in 2010/11.

Here is his record compared to Stotts.

Carlisle Stotts
2012/13 41-41 33-49
2013/14 49-33* 54-28*
2014/15 50-32* 51-31*
2015/16 42-40* 44-38*
2016/17 33-49 41-41*
2017/18 24-58 49-33*
2018/19 20-23 26-19
Total 259-244 298-239
Carlisle has made the playoffs 3 times and never made it past the first round during that time period.
Stotts has made the playoffs 5 times and on pace for a 6th consecutive and has made it to the second round twice.

The way many in here whine and cry about Stotts I can only imagine what those same posters would be acting like with the Dallas record over the same time as Stotts has been the coach for Portland and I have always been a big fan of Carlisle.
 
blue9 said:
Just so it's clear, the last sentence of my post you quoted was "And I don't even particularly like half the names I listed, but they've all proven more that Stotts."

I'm not saying replace Stotts with any one of these guys - not by a long stretch. I believe I was replying to a comment that Stotts was clearly a Top 10 coach. I just rattled off however many names to illustrate that he is not clearly a Top 10 coach. He's a middle-of-the-pack regular season coach.
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Many of those names are not better than Stotts. Some are worse and some might be equal while a few are definitely above which would put Stotts around the middle of your list.
 
I watched a Celtics game the other day, forget which one, (have lots of Boston friends who love to text about Boston teams) and there were several situations that we questioned Brad Stevens. And he is elite. I wonder if this forum were to spend an entire season being die hard Celtics fans if the same people would question Brad. I assume yes. I think people are looking for perfection - no missed substitutions, no mistakes, no incorrect play calls, because Brad does it. That and a combination of a player breaking a play or going rogue once in a while - happens all the time - making the coach look responsible for something the player did all by himself. Of course there are things 100% on the coach - totally f'ing up a play call or leaving a guy on the bench too long, etc.

I am not against finding a new coach. Better nail it though. Lot of guys like Stotts and play hard for him. When this team loses - its never because of effort. Watch the entire NBA and these average/bad teams and the effort. Terrible. The Lakers v Cle two days ago - Luke's gonna get fired I bet.
 
CupWizier said:
I'm not sure how Carlisle can be rated as being elite as he hasn't done much since the championship year in 2010/11.

Here is his record compared to Stotts.

Carlisle Stotts
2012/13 41-41 33-49
2013/14 49-33* 54-28*
2014/15 50-32* 51-31*
2015/16 42-40* 44-38*
2016/17 33-49 41-41*
2017/18 24-58 49-33*
2018/19 20-23 26-19
Total 259-244 298-239
Carlisle has made the playoffs 3 times and never made it past the first round during that time period.
Stotts has made the playoffs 5 times and on pace for a 6th consecutive and has made it to the second round twice.

The way many in here whine and cry about Stotts I can only imagine what those same posters would be acting like with the Dallas record over the same time as Stotts has been the coach for Portland and I have always been a big fan of Carlisle.
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Hopefully, the fans in Dallas are whining about their GM. Parsons, Matthews, Barnes, Jordan--they've spent a lot of big money on a lot of mediocre talent. Since Dirk began to fall off, there's been a massive talent deficit in Dallas. Doncic may begin to reverse those fortunes, but it's going to take a bit of help.

As much as people bash Olshey for his 2016 signings and his general roster inactivity, his "dumpster-diving" has continually refreshed the roster with talent superior to what Carlisle has been suffering with.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Hopefully, the fans in Dallas are whining about their GM. Parsons, Matthews, Barnes, Jordan--they've spent a lot of big money on a lot of mediocre talent. Since Dirk began to fall off, there's been a massive talent deficit in Dallas. Doncic may begin to reverse those fortunes, but it's going to take a bit of help.

As much as people bash Olshey for his 2016 signings and his general roster inactivity, his "dumpster-diving" has continually refreshed the roster with talent superior to what Carlisle has been suffering with.
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would you rate Carlisle as one of 3 elite coaches in the league like what was said in a previous post? Also one could say that Stotts is better at getting more out of the talent he has been given compared to Carlisle.
 
CupWizier said:
would you rate Carlisle as one of 3 elite coaches in the league like what was said in a previous post? Also one could say that Stotts is better at getting more out of the talent he has been given compared to Carlisle.
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I put Popovich in a class by himself, but I would put Carlisle in the next tier.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I put Popovich in a class by himself, but I would put Carlisle in the next tier.
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The drop from Pops to the next tier is precipitous. Back when Sloan coached Tier 1 was exclusively Pops' tier, and Tier 2 was exclusively Sloan's tier - everyone else was Tier 3 or lower. Although Brown, during his short Pistons stint, joined Jerry for a brief period of time.
I've never been all that enamored with Carlisle, but I would say he's certainly better than Terry. I'd leave Tier 2 empty, Carlisle/Stevens/etc on Tier 3. Terry on Tier 4.
 
blue9 said:
The drop from Pops to the next tier is precipitous. Back when Sloan coached Tier 1 was exclusively Pops' tier, and Tier 2 was exclusively Sloan's tier - everyone else was Tier 3 or lower. Although Brown, during his short Pistons stint, joined Jerry for a brief period of time.
I've never been all that enamored with Carlisle, but I would say he's certainly better than Terry. I'd leave Tier 2 empty, Carlisle/Stevens/etc on Tier 3. Terry on Tier 4.
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What has Carlisle done at Dallas during the same time as Stotts at Portland makes him a "tier 2" coach and better than Stotts?
 
Mods, you might as well just close this thread. At this point, nobody is going to change their minds. Trying to discuss it just makes the frustration worse.
 
Celtics have drama. Kyrie calling out Brad Stevens. Young guys and vets don’t like each other.
 
blue9 said:
Danny did good by trading Thomas for Irving. But he was dumb not immediately flipping Irving for a different player. I'd never want to build a team around that guy.
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Kind of like Butler all this stuff was coming out of cleveland and it was ignored because of how good he is. Then when he was traded the stories didn't really go away and it turns out he is just a hard player to handle and make happy.
 
CupWizier said:
would you rate Carlisle as one of 3 elite coaches in the league like what was said in a previous post? Also one could say that Stotts is better at getting more out of the talent he has been given compared to Carlisle.
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Yes, Carlisle I would put in the top 3/4 of coaches. The last few years the guy has not had good rosters, at all. His by FAR best player is a rookie this year.
1- Pop
2- Brad
3- Rick C
 
calvin natt said:
Yes, Carlisle I would put in the top 3/4 of coaches. The last few years the guy has not had good rosters, at all. His by FAR best player is a rookie this year.
1- Pop
2- Brad
3- Rick C
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But what specifically makes him so good?
 
Scalma said:
But what specifically makes him so good?
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His in-game coaching/management. His tactical skills, the X's and O's, coaches widely respect him for this. His teams play hard and he doesn't lose players. Guys buy in and play hard for him, year after year. He wins with good rosters - Detroit, Indiana and Dallas. His roster now is a shit show outside of Luka and they compete nightly.
 
Scalma said:
But what specifically makes him so good?
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Also - I know Canales (now in NY as an assistant) says great things about Carlisle, how much he learned from him - the reason he left Portland for Dallas was a chance to learn from Rick. Also Todd Forcier's brother, Chad, a long time coach in the league got his first coaching opportunity with Carlisle and said a ton of great things about him (per Todd).
 
calvin natt said:
Also - I know Canales (now in NY as an assistant) says great things about Carlisle, how much he learned from him - the reason he left Portland for Dallas was a chance to learn from Rick. Also Todd Forcier's brother, Chad, a long time coach in the league got his first coaching opportunity with Carlisle and said a ton of great things about him (per Todd).
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I dont have anything “bad” to say about him, Im just not totally convinced he’s an elite NBA head coach. He might be, I kind of go back and forth with it. I havent been a fan of his, but your explanation is nice and gives perspective on it so thanks!
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I dont have anything “bad” to say about him, Im just not totally convinced he’s an elite NBA head coach. He might be, I kind of go back and forth with it. I havent been a fan of his, but your explanation is nice and gives perspective on it so thanks!
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What's funny, and no I can't prove it, but I would venture a guess that if Carlisle was here and Stotts was at Dallas the opinions would be the opposite. It's the nature of this forum to think that the grass is always greener on the other side.
 
CupWizier said:
What's funny, and no I can't prove it, but I would venture a guess that if Carlisle was here and Stotts was at Dallas the opinions would be the opposite. It's the nature of this forum to think that the grass is always greener on the other side.
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So if Stotts was in Dallas I wouldnt be a fan of his, and I would question if he was actually an elite head coach, and that would mean I think the grass is greener over there? Im kind of confused here...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So if Stotts was in Dallas I wouldnt be a fan of his, and I would question if he was actually an elite head coach, and that would mean I think the grass is greener over there? Im kind of confused here...
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It was meant in general and for those that think Stotts suck and Carlisle is an elite coach.
 
calvin natt said:
Also - I know Canales (now in NY as an assistant) says great things about Carlisle, how much he learned from him - the reason he left Portland for Dallas was a chance to learn from Rick. Also Todd Forcier's brother, Chad, a long time coach in the league got his first coaching opportunity with Carlisle and said a ton of great things about him (per Todd).
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Ya made me look them up. Good reading...
https://www.nba.com/blazers/sports-performance-specialists
https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/forcich01c.html
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...l-blazers-nba-most-well-traveled-team-running
 
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