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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
    154
Let him stay another 9 years and he will get even more wins.
 
OneSport3 said:
According to Basketball Reference, there have been a total of 336 head coaches in NBA history.

53 of 336 (15.8%) have had at least 10 seasons as a head coach (Stotts: 13 seasons, 9 with POR). Of those 53,
  • Stotts ranks 38th in career regular season win % at 51.2%
  • Stotts ranks 49th in career playoff win % at 34.4%. Only coaches below him are Mike Fratello (32.3%), Nate McMillan (32.1%), Kevin Loughery (22.2%) and Don Chaney (18.2%).
21 0f 336 (6.3%) have had a coaching tenure for 9 consecutive seasons with one team. (Stotts 9 with POR). Of those 21,
  • Stotts ranks 20th in regular season win % at 51.2%. Only Bill Fitch has a lower career regular season win % at 46.0%. However, Fitch has a career playoff win % at 50.5% and a NBA championship.
  • Stotts ranks 21st in playoff win % at 34.4%. Ranked 20th is Doug Moe at 39.8%, a full 5.4 percentage points higher than Stotts.
15 of the 21 (71.4%) head coaches with a coaching tenure of 9 consecutive seasons with one team have NBA championships. The coaches that don't have a NBA championship,
  • Jerry Sloan: 60.3% career regular season win %, 48.5% career playoff win %, 2 NBA Finals appearances
  • Don Nelson: 55.7% career regular season win %, 45.2% career playoff win %, 4 career Conference Finals game wins.
  • Flip Saunders: 52.5 % career regular season win %, 48.0% career playoff win %, 8 career Conference Finals game wins
  • John MacLeod: 51.8% career regular season win %, 46.5% career playoff win %, 1 NBA Finals appearance
  • Doug Moe: 54.3 % career regular season win %, 39.8% career playoff win %, 4 career Conference Finals game wins.
Only 1 coach of 336 in NBA history that has at least 10 seasons as a head coach with a tenure of 9 consecutive seasons with one team and has ZERO Conference Finals games wins: Terry Stotts.

CONCLUSION: There is no justification for Stotts' 9 season tenure in Portland. Historically, he is a bottom tier coach. Only 6.3% of coaches in NBA history have been afforded a 9 consecutive season tenure with one team. Of those, 71% have an NBA championship, 81% have at least an NBA Finals appearance and 95% have at least 4 career Conference Finals game wins. Terry Stotts has none of those.

It's time to move on.
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That's actually a really good argument.
 
I think Stotts has had a much a longer shelf life than most coaches for several reasons:
1. He seemed to get on the bandwagon of modern 3 point shooting offenses quicker than many
2. He's pretty good at coaching 7 foot centers. We're always bargain bin shopping, and a lot of these types pop up. Our 7 footers seem to always significantly outperform expectations.
3. He's got the best track record in the league of developing 3 point shooters.
4. It seems like Paul Allen died right around when we probably would normally fire a head coach, and the whole issue got pushed back.
5. Players obviously love playing for him. We're in a small market that has problems attracting talent. It's nice to have a coach that players like. Dame loves him, which matters a lot.
6. He's ridden on the coattails of Dame and CJ.
7. We've had some seriously shitty injury luck. It's hard to fire a coach when his roster is patched together. And he's actually pretty good at patching together wounded rosters.
8. We had a series of seriously terrible coaches for the decade preceding Stotts. I think there's a lot of institutional memory of how bad really shitty coaches can be. Better the mediocre coach in the hand than the Mo Cheeks in the bush.

I go back and forth quite a bit on Stotts. This isn't really a pro/anti-Stotts post. I just think OneSport highlighted a pretty interesting point about his longevity, and it's interesting to think about why. You can argue it's just our GM's incompetence (which is probably another bullet to add there) but there's a lot more to it.

It'll be interesting to see if Stotts' luck holds.
 
mook said:
I think Stotts has had a much a longer shelf life than most coaches for several reasons:
1. He seemed to get on the bandwagon of modern 3 point shooting offenses quicker than many
2. He's pretty good at coaching 7 foot centers. We're always bargain bin shopping, and a lot of these types pop up. Our 7 footers seem to always significantly outperform expectations.
3. He's got the best track record in the league of developing 3 point shooters.
4. It seems like Paul Allen died right around when we probably would normally fire a head coach, and the whole issue got pushed back.
5. Players obviously love playing for him. We're in a small market that has problems attracting talent. It's nice to have a coach that players like. Dame loves him, which matters a lot.
6. He's ridden on the coattails of Dame and CJ.
7. We've had some seriously shitty injury luck. It's hard to fire a coach when his roster is patched together. And he's actually pretty good at patching together wounded rosters.
8. We had a series of seriously terrible coaches for the decade preceding Stotts. I think there's a lot of institutional memory of how bad really shitty coaches can be. Better the mediocre coach in the hand than the Mo Cheeks in the bush.

I go back and forth quite a bit on Stotts. This isn't really a pro/anti-Stotts post. I just think OneSport highlighted a pretty interesting point about his longevity, and it's interesting to think about why. You can argue it's just our GM's incompetence (which is probably another bullet to add there) but there's a lot more to it.

It'll be interesting to see if Stotts' luck holds.
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Maybe we should hire Sanders, he's available now? Great pedigree.
 
Hoopguru said:
Maybe we should hire Sanders, he's available now? Great pedigree.
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Do you mean the recently fired Ryan Saunders? Because that guy has spent 11 years coaching 2 of the most depressing franchises in the league (Wizards, Twolves). He may be a good coach, but I don't want that stink on my team.

Or do you mean Flip Saunders? Because that guy hasn't coached a winning team since 2008.

Is there another Sanders? Deion Sanders? Barry Sanders?

Bernie Sanders?

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"What we need to do is distribute the ball to the 90% of the team that is not getting any of the shots. And we need better health care for all our people."

That's actually not a bad plan....
 
mook said:
Do you mean the recently fired Ryan Saunders? Because that guy has spent 11 years coaching 2 of the most depressing franchises in the league (Wizards, Twolves). He may be a good coach, but I don't want that stink on my team.

Or do you mean Flip Saunders? Because that guy hasn't coached a winning team since 2008.

Is there another Sanders? Deion Sanders? Barry Sanders?

Bernie Sanders?

b6d18510-5bfd-11eb-96f7-6eb3b5d5b93e


"What we need to do is distribute the ball to the 90% of the team that is not getting any of the shots. And we need better health care for all our people."

That's actually not a bad plan....
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Being sarcastic...thanks for the spell check
 
OneSport3 said:
According to Basketball Reference, there have been a total of 336 head coaches in NBA history.

53 of 336 (15.8%) have had at least 10 seasons as a head coach (Stotts: 13 seasons, 9 with POR). Of those 53,
  • Stotts ranks 38th in career regular season win % at 51.2%
  • Stotts ranks 49th in career playoff win % at 34.4%. Only coaches below him are Mike Fratello (32.3%), Nate McMillan (32.1%), Kevin Loughery (22.2%) and Don Chaney (18.2%).
21 0f 336 (6.3%) have had a coaching tenure for 9 consecutive seasons with one team. (Stotts 9 with POR). Of those 21,
  • Stotts ranks 20th in regular season win % at 51.2%. Only Bill Fitch has a lower career regular season win % at 46.0%. However, Fitch has a career playoff win % at 50.5% and a NBA championship.
  • Stotts ranks 21st in playoff win % at 34.4%. Ranked 20th is Doug Moe at 39.8%, a full 5.4 percentage points higher than Stotts.
15 of the 21 (71.4%) head coaches with a coaching tenure of 9 consecutive seasons with one team have NBA championships. The coaches that don't have a NBA championship,
  • Jerry Sloan: 60.3% career regular season win %, 48.5% career playoff win %, 2 NBA Finals appearances
  • Don Nelson: 55.7% career regular season win %, 45.2% career playoff win %, 4 career Conference Finals game wins.
  • Flip Saunders: 52.5 % career regular season win %, 48.0% career playoff win %, 8 career Conference Finals game wins
  • John MacLeod: 51.8% career regular season win %, 46.5% career playoff win %, 1 NBA Finals appearance
  • Doug Moe: 54.3 % career regular season win %, 39.8% career playoff win %, 4 career Conference Finals game wins.
Only 1 coach of 336 in NBA history that has at least 10 seasons as a head coach with a tenure of 9 consecutive seasons with one team and has ZERO Conference Finals games wins: Terry Stotts.

CONCLUSION: There is no justification for Stotts' 9 season tenure in Portland. Historically, he is a bottom tier coach. Only 6.3% of coaches in NBA history have been afforded a 9 consecutive season tenure with one team. Of those, 71% have an NBA championship, 81% have at least an NBA Finals appearance and 95% have at least 4 career Conference Finals game wins. Terry Stotts has none of those.

It's time to move on.
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Can I tweet a screenshot of this and credit you?
 
Hoopguru said:
Whos the best coach of the 4? and why?
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I would say Nurse or Kerr. Any coach who won with Lebron; it's hard to give them much credit, although I think Vogel has done a real good job and was a good coach in Indiana.
I like how the GS teams play basketball, and they always play smart. Their GM should get a lot of credit also though. Nurse won a championship even though he only had Kawhi for one year, then did good without him and they are coming around this year even though Siakam not playing so well. Again though he is paired with a great GM.
 
BonesJones said:
Out of the last 4 first-in-a-generation champions, all 4 were coached by first time coaches.

LAL - Vogel
CLE - Lue
GSW - Kerr
TOR - Nurse
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Charcoal Filtered said:
First time or first year?

Vogel coached Indiana and Orlando.
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But did he REALLY coach the Lakers to a championship? I have a feeling LeBron and AD took care of that. And Lue? Really? LeBron literally grabbed the clipboard from him and drew up plays in the huddle. We see that Luke Walton could have also coached that warriors team to the ring and look at him now. Nurse I'm sure was quite grateful to have been handed Kawhi, I'm sure that helped.
This is a perfect example of coaches getting too much blame and too much credit. To think these coaches "LED" their teams to championship rings is comical.
 
THE HCP said:
We see that Luke Walton could have also coached that warriors team to the ring and look at him now.
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We didn't see that at all. Walton simply continued the system Kerr put in place. Coaching can matter--look at the Warriors with Mark Jackson and then the next year with Kerr. Substantially the same personnel, but they went from first round losers to 67 win champions.

Personnel has to be good, but the best coaches mesh their strengths into the best possible unit. "Best possible" doesn't mean championship-caliber if the talent is bad, obviously, but not every coach is capable of doing that. In fact, I'd say most coaches can't tune a system perfectly for their personnel. To me, Stotts falls into that category. That doesn't make him terrible, just places him in the large group of coaches that can't elevate their personnel.

I think Kerr and Nurse are excellent coaches. I don't think Lue elevated what he had particularly.
 
Minstrel said:
We didn't see that at all. Walton simply continued the system Kerr put in place. Coaching can matter--look at the Warriors with Mark Jackson and then the next year with Kerr. Substantially the same personnel, but they went from first round losers to 67 win champions.

Personnel has to be good, but the best coaches mesh their strengths into the best possible unit. "Best possible" doesn't mean championship-caliber if the talent is bad, obviously, but not every coach is capable of doing that. In fact, I'd say most coaches can't tune a system perfectly for their personnel. To me, Stotts falls into that category. That doesn't make him terrible, just places him in the large group of coaches that can't elevate their personnel.

I think Kerr and Nurse are excellent coaches. I don't think Lue elevated what he had particularly.
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Once again, I understand coaches impact on teams, negative AND positive......but it ain't just them. Tyron Lue, fuck outta' here.
 
Scalma said:
Stotts hasn’t earned the right to be in the same sentence as any of those guys. Two of them have won rings and the other is in the conference finals/semi finals every year with a shittier roster.
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Who the fuck is saying he should be? Who is Brandon Goldner and why do we care what he thinks?
 
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