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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

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    Votes: 9 5.8%
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    Votes: 44 28.6%
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    Votes: 35 22.7%
  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%
  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%
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    Votes: 13 8.4%

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I kinda wonder if teams figure CJ is going to get his but for the most part he's not going to completely burn you. Dame on the other hand can go off for 50 if you ignore him or single cover him. CJ is historically so streaky that teams can gamble that he won't completely punish them if they single cover him. I kind of also wonder if they figure doubling is a waste of time because CJ is extremely difficult to guard when he's in the groove.
He also doesn't make the right pass when Dame's on the floor. It's like he feels that when he gets the ball when playing with Dame he has to take the chance to get a shot up, like he's starved for shots. I know that wasn't the case at the beginning of this season but historically speaking.
 
He also doesn't make the right pass when Dame's on the floor. It's like he feels that when he gets the ball when playing with Dame he has to take the chance to get a shot up, like he's starved for shots. I know that wasn't the case at the beginning of this season but historically speaking.

CJ and Melo have almost identical mindsets on offense. They both know that they can pretty much get their shots off whenever they want, so it's like they don't stop to think if there might be a better option.

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CJ and Melo have almost identical mindsets on offense. They both know that they can pretty much get their shots off whenever they want, so it's like they don't stop to think if there might be a better option.

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Yeah and on second thought, CJ's run at the beginning of the season was fool's gold. Dame was deferring to him so much that we weren't using our best option close to enough. That's why we haven't seen a significant enough drop off in performance since CJ's been out to justify his status on the team... even if he does play like he did early in the season.
 
What's sad about CJ is that he has the brains and the handle be a really good distributor. He could be a point guard if he really wanted to. You look at someone like Trent and his handles just aren't there. Same with Simons. I don't feel confident with either of them handling the ball. They're both MUCH better as spot up shooters. CJ could be amazing but he plays so selfish most of the time.
 
CJ isn't that great in the playoffs and every team we face has the strategy to sell out on Dame and see if CJ can beat them in a four on five situation. I think an all star would slay teams that did that to the point that teams would stop doing it.

I'm talkin bout upcomin playoffs.
 
his career PER in the playoffs is 15.8. Last year it was below 15. That’s pretty average, maybe slightly above. Not really an all star.

it's really insane how overrated 'playoff-CJ' has become in the minds of some Blazer fans because of game 7 against the Nuggets 2 years ago. You're responding to a poster who is implicitly admitting that 'regular-season-CJ' is well below all-star level, but somehow, he's all-star level in the playoffs. And he's not the only poster here who makes that claim

CJ's career marks:

PER: regular season 17.4....playoffs 15.8
TS%: regular season .553....playoffs .532
eFG%: regular season .524....playoffs .524
3ptFG%: regular season .399....playoffs .392
Assist Rate: regular season 17.2....playoffs 13.2
assist/turnover: regular season 1.85....playoffs 1.37
offensive rating: regular season 111....playoffs 106
defensive rating: regular season 112....playoffs 115
winshares/48: regular season .107....playoffs .056
BoxPM: regular season 1.1....playoffs 0.9
+/- per 100 possessions: regular season +2.5....playoffs -4.9

in other words, somehow in some peoples minds CJ has become some mythical performer in the playoffs, yet, as shown above, he hasn't performed better in any of those categories that gauge impact and efficiency. Not in a single one; he's worse in all except for eFG%, where's he's just even

and that comes after, as well all know, teams double and trap Dame much more than the playoffs than they do in the regular season. CJ only sees single coverage while the opposing defense is completely selling out to stop Dame. CJ should be able to draft off Dame more in the playoffs than he does in the regular season...but he hasn't

playoff CJ is worse than regular season CJ, and regular season CJ is not an all-star
 
it's really insane how overrated 'playoff-CJ' has become in the minds of some Blazer fans because of game 7 against the Nuggets 2 years ago. You're responding to a poster who is implicitly admitting that 'regular-season-CJ' is well below all-star level, but somehow, he's all-star level in the playoffs. And he's not the only poster here who makes that claim

CJ's career marks:

PER: regular season 17.4....playoffs 15.8
TS%: regular season .553....playoffs .532
eFG%: regular season .524....playoffs .524
3ptFG%: regular season .399....playoffs .392
Assist Rate: regular season 17.2....playoffs 13.2
assist/turnover: regular season 1.85....playoffs 1.37
offensive rating: regular season 111....playoffs 106
defensive rating: regular season 112....playoffs 115
winshares/48: regular season .107....playoffs .056
BoxPM: regular season 1.1....playoffs 0.9
+/- per 100 possessions: regular season +2.5....playoffs -4.9

in other words, somehow in some peoples minds CJ has become some mythical performer in the playoffs, yet, as shown above, he hasn't performed better in any of those categories that gauge impact and efficiency. Not in a single one; he's worse in all except for eFG%, where's he's just even

and that comes after, as well all know, teams double and trap Dame much more than the playoffs than they do in the regular season. CJ only sees single coverage while the opposing defense is completely selling out to stop Dame. CJ should be able to draft off Dame more in the playoffs than he does in the regular season...but he hasn't

playoff CJ is worse than regular season CJ, and regular season CJ is not an all-star

The problem is that Dame has looked so bad in some of the series because of the defensive schemes that other teams run against him that CJ has looked good by comparison.
 
it's really insane how overrated 'playoff-CJ' has become in the minds of some Blazer fans because of game 7 against the Nuggets 2 years ago. You're responding to a poster who is implicitly admitting that 'regular-season-CJ' is well below all-star level, but somehow, he's all-star level in the playoffs. And he's not the only poster here who makes that claim

CJ's career marks:

PER: regular season 17.4....playoffs 15.8
TS%: regular season .553....playoffs .532
eFG%: regular season .524....playoffs .524
3ptFG%: regular season .399....playoffs .392
Assist Rate: regular season 17.2....playoffs 13.2
assist/turnover: regular season 1.85....playoffs 1.37
offensive rating: regular season 111....playoffs 106
defensive rating: regular season 112....playoffs 115
winshares/48: regular season .107....playoffs .056
BoxPM: regular season 1.1....playoffs 0.9
+/- per 100 possessions: regular season +2.5....playoffs -4.9

in other words, somehow in some peoples minds CJ has become some mythical performer in the playoffs, yet, as shown above, he hasn't performed better in any of those categories that gauge impact and efficiency. Not in a single one; he's worse in all except for eFG%, where's he's just even

and that comes after, as well all know, teams double and trap Dame much more than the playoffs than they do in the regular season. CJ only sees single coverage while the opposing defense is completely selling out to stop Dame. CJ should be able to draft off Dame more in the playoffs than he does in the regular season...but he hasn't

playoff CJ is worse than regular season CJ, and regular season CJ is not an all-star
Maybe CJs number drop (slightly) in the playoffs because every team in the playoffs is good.
 
Maybe CJs number drop (slightly) in the playoffs because every team in the playoffs is good.

maybe...but he sure doesn't perform like an all-star in the playoffs, and there is a definite narrative around here that CJ "ups his game" in the playoffs. That's not true
 
CJ single handedly willed us to a win over the Nuggets that led to a conf finals....he absolutely has played well in the playoffs
 
CJ single handedly willed us to a win over the Nuggets that led to a conf finals....he absolutely has played well in the playoffs

he didn't do anything "single-handedly", yet more CJ mythology...even Dame doesn't do things single-handedly. And if it wasn't for Dame, Hood, and Kanter, there wouldn't have been a game 7 for CJ to shine
 
CJ single handedly willed us to a win over the Nuggets that led to a conf finals....he absolutely has played well in the playoffs

One game out of many playoff games is what we like to call "a small sample size."
 
CJ single handedly willed us to a win over the Nuggets that led to a conf finals....he absolutely has played well in the playoffs

Regular season stats (post season stats)

FG % - 46% (44%)
3pt% - 40% (39%)
FT% - 83% (77%)
Pts/100 poss - 29.7 (28.6)
Assist/100 poss - 5.1 (3.7)

Not a major difference, certainly not better. Though in general, I'd expect playoff numbers to dip a bit.
 
CJ single handedly willed us to a win over the Nuggets that led to a conf finals....he absolutely has played well in the playoffs
I think the point about CJ's playoff numbers being underwhelming and his impact being overrated is that if he was what some in here claim he is (an all-star level player that fits with Dame) then he would clean teams' clocks in the playoffs because of the way they sell out on Dame. His shooting percentage would be through the roof, his assists would be through the roof... he would be putting up MVP type numbers because the opponent is daring him to. I just hope people can stop living in the legend created by one great game as a scorer in game 7 against the Nuggets in 2019.
 
I think the point about CJ's playoff numbers being underwhelming and his impact being overrated is that if he was what some in here claim he is (an all-star level player that fits with Dame) then he would clean teams' clocks in the playoffs because of the way they sell out on Dame. His shooting percentage would be through the roof, his assists would be through the roof... he would be putting up MVP type numbers because the opponent is daring him to. I just hope people can stop living in the legend created by one great game as a scorer in game 7 against the Nuggets in 2019.
I think you maybe are sensationalizing at least my appreciation for CJ helping us win games....CJ's value wasn't created by one game....let's just start there and then let's put things in perspective...nobody is "living the legend" about CJ....a person can value him without putting him in "MVP' status....when Dame has been hobbled CJ has stepped up....we don't get to the finals in the west without him helping us win more than one game 7.......fans aren't that over the top about a player who has never made an allstar or all NBA team. Most fans here have wanted to trade him for 8 years now...I always thought he's the perfect 6 man.
 
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Wow?
Trying to say Lillard is an MVP (He isn't but might be) might get it if they win enough games.
Trying to say CJ is an All Star ( He never has been) but he could be if he stays healthy and plays really really well.
Trying to say Nurkic is an All Star ( Nowhere near yet) but if he plays really well he could be (Well ... Sure).

Just to try to make your position that the "coach sucks" look better seems a bit delusional?

By the way losing those two to injury is no excuse for losing because the coach sucks but they are All Star talent.

I think we left off Zach Collins? Pretty sure if he plays well enough and the team wins enough games he too could be an All Star. (Why not? It worked with Nurk and CJ)

91 pages and still going!
Yeah you're right. Players trash roster suck.
 
I think you maybe are sensationalizing at least my appreciation for CJ helping us win games....CJ's value wasn't created by one game....let's just start there and then let's put things in perspective...nobody is "living the legend" about CJ....a person can value him without putting him in "MVP' status....when Dame has been hobbled CJ has stepped up....we don't get to the finals in the west without him helping us win more than one game 7.......fans aren't that over the top about a player who has never made an allstar or all NBA team. Most fans here have wanted to trade him for 8 years now...I always thought he's the perfect 6 man.
We're on the same page but he's not the sixth man. Olshey and Stotts have anointed him the second man and it just doesn't work. I also think he could be a good second option on a team just as competitive as ours if that team's first option was a big. The fact is we can't just use him when Dame is off the floor, we can't have him as our sixth man because we are paying him 30M per season. I've never once said I think that CJ is bad, he's just bad on this team.
 
Yeah you're right. Players trash roster suck.
Is your opinion that this roster could legitimately compete for a championship under different coaching? If so, how do we solve the conundrum that the Dame/CJ back court causes on defense? I'm just wondering because I like a lot of our roster but the fact that Nurk isn't mobile enough to get out and defend the perimeter combined with CJ being a horrendous perimeter defender and Dame being a below average perimeter defender makes me skeptical. How do we ever contend when we can't defend the perimeter where the majority of offense is set up in today's NBA? I understand that advanced analytics say that Gary isn't very good on defense but the eye test and the fact that we went from last in the league in three point defense to middle of the pack with Gary starting, says he's much better than CJ.

Maybe you think a coach can fix all of that and maybe you'd be right but since you're an analyst, I just want to know how. If this has been covered in a Blazers Uprise, please just reply with the link. Thanks.
 
You can say a guy isn't a very good defensive player all you want. But if that guy is being asked to guard a future HOF player and or the other teams best scorer on most nights then maybe "Stats" ain't telling you what is really going on.
It's why I absolutely hate trying to make a case solely on stats. The "data" says this.... The "data" says that... I say hogwash. Watch the game.
Gary Trent moves and stays with his man night in and night out. Trent plays tough defense 8 out of 10 times down the court. He's human so yeah he gets beat by guys like Curry and Lebron and Booker and Chris Paul and Harden and Lavine and Murray and the list goes on and on. These are NBA All Star players that know how to score the ball.
 
I understand that advanced analytics say that Gary isn't very good on defense but the eye test and the fact that we went from last in the league in three point defense to middle of the pack with Gary starting, says he's much better than CJ.

are you talking about from the first 12 games of this season till now? I don't remember the Blazers being at the bottom of opponent 3pt% this season. They were 29th last season, but Trent is only playing 10 more minutes a game this year than last year

so I'd say Portland's improvement in that stat is due to RoCo and Jones, not Trent filling in for CJ
 
Daily reminder that the only right move is firing stolshey.
not sold...the right move is to get healthy and develop chemistry with the new guys DJJ and Roco....we're not off to a bad start at all going 8 -4 over the last 12 with the bench playing big minutes.....
we're not in need of firing anybody period...that's not a problem we have. Enoy the Stolshey train ride because I think it's here to stay!
 
not sold...the right move is to get healthy and develop chemistry with the new guys DJJ and Roco....we're not off to a bad start at all going 8 -4 over the last 12 with the bench playing big minutes.....
we're not in need of firing anybody period...that's not a problem we have. Enoy the Stolshey train ride because I think it's here to stay!

lol...9 years of mediocrity beget 9 more
 
lol...9 years of mediocrity beget 9 more
It really sucks you haven't enjoyed the Blazers for 9 years....the 7 years of making the playoffs sure were better than the 14 years before Stotts and not making the playoffs....and Dame signing a max deal beats Lamarcus moving to San Antonio.....you can dissect the stat sheets and have moneyball entertainment if you like...but it doesn't water down my Blazer experience. It's a theme but some of us aren't here for that. I'm here to cheer for a bright future....it's insulting to have that defined by someone disgruntled who thinks that's a flawed approach to the sport and support of the team is based on dominating the league year after year.
Predicting 9 years of boring basketball is pretty far from what I experience as a Blazer fan....with that logic Pop should've been fired when Duncan retired.....they have been pretty boring since then to watch but I respect their loyalty to him. Kawhi demanded a trade from San Antonio and Pop didn't lose his job....just an MVP . Tell me it wasn't exciting to win all 20 games this season we won......I"m waiting....was it boring? Did you cheer or did the stat sheets not reach your standards of excellence?
 
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