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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
    154

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riverman said:
not sold...the right move is to get healthy and develop chemistry with the new guys DJJ and Roco....we're not off to a bad start at all going 8 -4 over the last 12 with the bench playing big minutes.....
we're not in need of firing anybody period...that's not a problem we have. Enoy the Stolshey train ride because I think it's here to stay!
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Daily reminder that stolshey is the reason we lose games. Fact.
 
riverman said:
sucks you haven't enjoyed the Blazers for 9 years....the 7 years of making the playoffs sure were better than the 14 years before Stotts not making the playoffs....and Dame signing a max deal beats Lamarcus moving to San Antonio.....you can dissect the stat sheets and have moneyball entertainment if you like...but it doesn't water down my Blazer experience. It's a theme but some of us aren't here for that. I'm here to cheer for a bright future....it's insulting to have that defined by someone disgruntled who thinks that's a flawed approach to the sport and support of the team.
Predicting 9 years of boring basketball is pretty far from what I experience as a Blazer fan....with that logic Pop should've been fired when Duncan retired.....they have been pretty boring since then to watch.
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really??...different opinions than yours are insulting??....fragile world that good-ship-lollypop blazer experience of yours. In the 9 years of the Olshey/Stotts regime, Portland has averaged 45.5 wins and has a .357 winning percentage in those 7 playoffs you're so proud of. That's 11 playoff series, and in the 7 series that Portland didn't win, the 7 series when the Blazers exited the playoffs, their record was 4-28, which is a .142 winning percentage when they actually faced a real contender...and one of those wins was when the Warriors didn't have Curry. That fits my definition of a treadmill

and LMAO that you'd actually try to use Popovich to defend Stotts. Let me know when Stotts wins 5 NBA championships. And in terms of playoff wins past the 2nd round, the score is Pop 51, Stotts 0

and where was it I said they were "boring"?
 
wizenheimer said:
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fake news....corrected for accuracy below:
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fake news.....moneyball ignores the all important intangibles that help win games....we win and lose as a team...respect pass it on! Anyone can see Dame has help. Watch his last post game interview...see how he feels about Melo's role....intangibles....being vocal...without Melo and Roco we don't win the last two and Enes has given us second shots on misses...yeah...intangibles....screens....deflections....pressure...putting the opposition in foul trouble.....intangibles. If moneyball is your thing...great, but it doesn't mean buzzkill for those who enjoy the team now...I'm a fan of the team as constructed.....#realnews...see the standings in the west and our seed right now and tell me we're mediocre....we're not. Amazing considering the 8th starting lineup has only started 12 games together...good coaching...roster improvement...that's this season....now we need health.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Some people are okay with being just good enough.
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I notice you’re mostly negative and it seems toxic. What are you getting out of being a literal fanatic who seems miserable following the team with over 72,000 posts here, and there are likely other sites not counted in your posts here.

Reading your posts is a huge downer. I don’t get it. It’s not an insult, it’s just so weird to me unless you’re a sports masochist who likes to feel bad about things.
 
Question:
What do you call it when Stotts plays bench players who shouldn't be playing?

Answer:
Going HAM (Hood, Ant, Melo), the unholy trinity.

and I say that as a big Ant fan. However, I am not a fan of him playing out of position!
 
riverman said:
fake news.....moneyball ignores the all important intangibles that help win games....we win and lose as a team...respect pass it on! Anyone can see Dame has help. Watch his last post game interview...see how he feels about Melo's role....intangibles....being vocal...without Melo and Roco we don't win the last two and Enes has given us second shots on misses...yeah...intangibles....screens....deflections....pressure...putting the opposition in foul trouble.....intangibles. If moneyball is your thing...great, but it doesn't mean buzzkill for those who enjoy the team now...I'm a fan of the team as constructed.....#realnews...see the standings in the west and our seed right now and tell me we're mediocre....we're not. Amazing considering the 8th starting lineup has only started 12 games together...good coaching...roster improvement...that's this season....now we need health.
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just tell me one thing: are you getting paid by the ellipsis?
 
wizenheimer said:
just tell me one thing: are you getting paid by the ellipsis?
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No but they have a code that I use as a drum machine.....it's a way to give "tone" to a typed sentence and allow it to breathe like a bottle of good wine. What you won't see me type is "lol"
 
blazerkor said:
Is your opinion that this roster could legitimately compete for a championship under different coaching? If so, how do we solve the conundrum that the Dame/CJ back court causes on defense? I'm just wondering because I like a lot of our roster but the fact that Nurk isn't mobile enough to get out and defend the perimeter combined with CJ being a horrendous perimeter defender and Dame being a below average perimeter defender makes me skeptical. How do we ever contend when we can't defend the perimeter where the majority of offense is set up in today's NBA? I understand that advanced analytics say that Gary isn't very good on defense but the eye test and the fact that we went from last in the league in three point defense to middle of the pack with Gary starting, says he's much better than CJ.

Maybe you think a coach can fix all of that and maybe you'd be right but since you're an analyst, I just want to know how. If this has been covered in a Blazers Uprise, please just reply with the link. Thanks.
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I don't believe the Dame/CJ pairing is the reason why our defense is bad. CJ's been out in place of Gary Trent Jr. and our defense has been no better overall. We've also had a very easy schedule with C.J. out. There's been a lot of improvements on rotations and scramble situations overall. Also, not pairing Melo with Kanter might be a benefit.

A good defensive frontcourt, a good defensive coach who runs the proper schemes at the proper times and teaches his players how to execute them properly, and (maybe) better defensive players off the bench and I think we could easily have a top 10 defense. Bring in a coach who doesn't make Dame and C.J. work so hard for their shots and they may have more energy for defense. That coach should be able to hold them a little bit more accountable for what they do on that end of the floor as well.
 
riverman said:
It really sucks you haven't enjoyed the Blazers for 9 years....the 7 years of making the playoffs sure were better than the 14 years before Stotts and not making the playoffs....
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Better than horrible = good enough? That's fine if that's how you view it. That's not how I view it. I want this team to do great things, and I will hold them to such a standard, just as they should themselves.
 
kjironman1 said:
Probably not. But saying there is an MVP and three All Stars on this roster might be a stretch no?
This isn't the Warriors from 2018.
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But saying we have one all-star player is just as misleading in terms of gauging talent, considering we have two players that are all-star caliber talents, and three if Nurkic is able to bounce back to peak form.

My point is simply this: People only give the all-star voting process legitimacy when it helps their argument that this roster isn't good (or good enough). There's a reason I don't base my opinions of this roster off of a popularity contest.
 
With Damian Lillard it is like you have this magic wand and you use it as a whip on your goat.

Just give it to someone that can use it.
 
BonesJones said:
But saying we have one all-star player is just as misleading in terms of gauging talent, considering we have two players that are all-star caliber talents, and three if Nurkic is able to bounce back to peak form.

My point is simply this: People only give the all-star voting process legitimacy when it helps their argument that this roster isn't good (or good enough). There's a reason I don't base my opinions of this roster off of a popularity contest.
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No it's not. This team has one all star.
No we don't. At least to this point in their career.
Not really when the part of the voting process that we were discussing was the players voting.

Now lets clear something up though. I happen to agree with you wholeheartedly that this roster could get much better. I also want very badly to see them get healthy this year and watch exactly how far they can go. I also agree that if in fact this roster goes deep into the playoffs and then starts winning while staying healthy and becomes a true contender CJ and Nurk would get more All Star consideration but i still doubt they would actually make the all star team. Maybe CJ? It would take winning the Championship and some absolute headline numbers for Nurk to make the team.
This year Phoenix is a true contender. The Jazz are contenders. They both have two players on the All Star team.
 
CJ is 10 on western all stars voting this year. Just under Klay and Caruso. Now, I don't know if Klay sits on the bench somehow better than CJ and as much as I love Caruso's dunks, I don't really think he is better than CJ. He is actually, imo, not even on the horizont to be seen.

Funny thing is, if you use all star voting, not only Caruso is better than CJ, but Carmelo is much better then both of them.
 
royo said:
CJ is 10 on western all stars voting this year. Just under Klay and Caruso. Now, I don't know if Klay sits on the bench somehow better than CJ and as much as I love Caruso's dunks, I don't really think he is better than CJ. He is actually, imo, not even on the horizont to be seen.

Funny thing is, if you use all star voting, not only Caruso is better than CJ, but Carmelo is much better then both of them.
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The conversation wasn't about "All Star Voting"
It's about the portion of the All Star voting that was done by players. Much different animal there.
 
CJ got 11 total player votes. He was 14th overall in player voting.
CJ was 9th on western conference guards. Fan rank he was 10th. Media he got zero votes.
 
kjironman1 said:
No it's not. This team has one all star.
No we don't. At least to this point in their career.
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Well I feel like you didnt truly listen to what I'm saying because I'm not arguing that CJ has ever made the all-star team. But if you dont want to understand my point, so be it.
 
BonesJones said:
Well I feel like you didnt truly listen to what I'm saying because I'm not arguing that CJ has ever made the all-star team. But if you dont want to understand my point, so be it.
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This is what you said and i responded to it.
BonesJones said:
My point is simply this: People only give the all-star voting process legitimacy when it helps their argument that this roster isn't good (or good enough). There's a reason I don't base my opinions of this roster off of a popularity contest.
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The portion of the All Star voting we are discussing and have been in reference to is the Players Vote. Not the popularity contest that is the people's vote.
The Players and coaches disagree with you.
At this point the players and coaches do not consider CJ an All Star talent. He is 9th in the western conference voting among players and coaches. Nurk is even farther down the list.
This is a common theme on this board. The actual players and coaches IN THE NBA disagree with most all of the negative and some positive positions many of the posters have.
 
kjironman1 said:
This is what you said and i responded to it.


The portion of the All Star voting we are discussing and have been in reference to is the Players Vote. Not the popularity contest that is the people's vote.
The Players and coaches disagree with you.
At this point the players and coaches do not consider CJ an All Star talent. He is 9th in the western conference voting among players and coaches. Nurk is even farther down the list.
This is a common theme on this board. The actual players and coaches IN THE NBA disagree with most all of the negative and some positive positions many of the posters have.
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Forget all star voting, give the players a numerical score 0-10. His point is that CJ is a solid 8.5 (I'm putting words in his mouth, here), and saying that "he's not an all-star" is a pedestrian viewpoint. He doesn't give a shit about all star voting, even player all star voting - that's not the point he was trying to make.

Do I have this right @BonesJones ?
 
kjironman1 said:
The conversation wasn't about "All Star Voting"
It's about the portion of the All Star voting that was done by players. Much different animal there.
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Yeah, man, whatever fits your narration;)
 
royo said:
Yeah, man, whatever fits your narration;)
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Yeah you have to travel back a ways to find the reference. 8-10 pages at least. I'm not going to dig it up. But it wasn't really my narrative to begin with.
But yeah I'm using it. :angry:
Going on 96 pages now.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Forget all star voting, give the players a numerical score 0-10. His point is that CJ is a solid 8.5 (I'm putting words in his mouth, here), and saying that "he's not an all-star" is a pedestrian viewpoint. He doesn't give a shit about all star voting, even player all star voting - that's not the point he was trying to make.

Do I have this right @BonesJones ?
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It's Bones that brought up the 3 All Stars thing not I. I agree it's pedestrian. Not sure how you come up with 8.5 but that seems a bit ridiculously high?
 
wizenheimer said:
really??...different opinions than yours are insulting??....fragile world that good-ship-lollypop blazer experience of yours. In the 9 years of the Olshey/Stotts regime, Portland has averaged 45.5 wins and has a .357 winning percentage in those 7 playoffs you're so proud of. That's 11 playoff series, and in the 7 series that Portland didn't win, the 7 series when the Blazers exited the playoffs, their record was 4-28, which is a .142 winning percentage when they actually faced a real contender...and one of those wins was when the Warriors didn't have Curry. That fits my definition of a treadmill

and LMAO that you'd actually try to use Popovich to defend Stotts. Let me know when Stotts wins 5 NBA championships. And in terms of playoff wins past the 2nd round, the score is Pop 51, Stotts 0

and where was it I said they were "boring"?
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I put mediocre and boring in the same box.....which is how I read your critique...and yes.....Pops has had a big drop off since Duncan......Phil Jackson with the Knicks wasn't Phil Jackson with the Bulls either....he got fired. Yes...I think posters who go after fans of the coach and team as being happy with mediocre basketball are insulting those fans....on the other hand...if I say your moneyball measuring stick is boring and fragile when you don't include intangibles...I'm sure you'd come back with a spread sheet and some justification for your opinion. Bones agrees with you.....but he doesn't like our coach so......arguing that is a waste of time. I really like Stotts. Not swayed .......nor fragile by any stretch of the imagination but I'll stand behind my opinion. As far as citing children's songs as a picture of my Blazer experience....you know what you can do with that? I'll just let you guess.....I've got pretty thick skin about this place. We can talk about our differences...let's leave the childish analogies for the children eh? I'm enjoying the team....try it
 
kjironman1 said:
This is what you said and i responded to it.


The portion of the All Star voting we are discussing and have been in reference to is the Players Vote. Not the popularity contest that is the people's vote.
The Players and coaches disagree with you.
At this point the players and coaches do not consider CJ an All Star talent. He is 9th in the western conference voting among players and coaches. Nurk is even farther down the list.
This is a common theme on this board. The actual players and coaches IN THE NBA disagree with most all of the negative and some positive positions many of the posters have.
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CJ wouldve easily been an all star this year if he didnt get hurt. So you're just holding CJ's injury against him to make the team sound worse.

I already said IF Nurkic is in peak form, he has an all-star level impact. Obviously he hasn't been for a while, but theres underrated things that players can do to have a big impact on games that dont get rewarded in the all-star voting process (by players or media or coaches) which is why it's silly to use actual selections as a gauge for player talent.
 
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