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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
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I’m going to be completely honest. I have give up on this season and I’m actively hoping we lose so Stotts is fired and we trade CJ. I’m in it for the long game at this point. I’m not at all interested in watching us get smoked in the first round again. I’m hoping we miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick. Fire Terry. Fire Neil. Trade CJ. We need something drastic to finally cause the shakeup this team needs. Some of you might think I’m a bad fan (I probably have you on ignore at this point anyway) but so be it. I want some changes dammit.
 
Minstrel said:
Nobody thought the Warriors had an awesome lineup going into Kerr's first year. I remember the projections here--I was among the highest on their roster and I only had them as a 4/5 seed (and I remember being questioned for having them so high). Nobody thought Draymond Green was anything, and he hadn't been prior to then, and while Curry was a rising star, he wasn't remotely a superstar. Klay Thompson was merely a good player. Iguodala was a veteran on the downside of his prime. Harrison Barnes was a disappointment. Shaun Livingston was a decent role-player.

People love to go with revisionist history that Kerr walked into a superstar factory that was manufacturing Finals appearances, but that wasn't remotely the situation until after he began coaching them and imposed his system.
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Mark Jackson’s last year they were 51-31. Klay was 23 averaging 18, David Lee 18-9, and Steph 24. They had a great defensive center in Bogut, younger Igoudala, and Barnes. They were good. Mark Jackson was a bad coach, but when they replaced him it was still somewhat controversial because 51-31 coaches don’t get fired often. Kerr did a good job not screwing anything up. He’s basically a poor mans Phil Jackson.
 
calvin natt said:
Mark Jackson’s last year they were 51-31. Klay was 23 averaging 18, David Lee 18-9, and Steph 24. They had a great defensive center in Bogut, younger Igoudala, and Barnes. They were good. Mark Jackson was a bad coach, but when they replaced him it was still somewhat controversial because 51-31 coaches don’t get fired often. Kerr did a good job not screwing anything up. He’s basically a poor mans Phil Jackson.
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I think the Jackson/Kerr example gets misapplied to the Portland situation far too often. Klay, Green, and Barnes were still on their rookie contracts with plenty of natural upside bound to occur.

To think Dame's supporting cast of CJ, Nurk, and RoCo have a lot of upside growth in front of them would be overly optimistic.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I’m going to be completely honest. I have give up on this season and I’m actively hoping we lose so Stotts is fired and we trade CJ. I’m in it for the long game at this point. I’m not at all interested in watching us get smoked in the first round again. I’m hoping we miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick. Fire Terry. Fire Neil. Trade CJ. We need something drastic to finally cause the shakeup this team needs. Some of you might think I’m a bad fan (I probably have you on ignore at this point anyway) but so be it. I want some changes dammit.
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I said this to someone in the game thread that said "let's go Celtics". I understand where you're coming from. I want Olshey, Stotts and CJ gone and have for quite some time now but I still root for the Blazers every night. I was hoping that last legitimate shot from Dame went in to give us the lead. I can't help myself. However, your way of looking at things is very logical. We need Stotts gone and major roster turnover in order to get a contender around Dame and Olshey hasn't shown that he's willing to give that to us. I just hope that @KSF-ERIC isn't Jody Allen and Chris McGowan's shared account on here because if that's the case, even if we miss the playoffs we're not making any moves because Olshey, Stotts and CJ walk on water and the only reason we're losing is because fucking Zach is out.

Yeah, if Dame is on board, let's burn it all down around him and rebuild... if he's not, let's burn it to the ground.
 
HolyBackboard said:
5 minutes left in the 4th quarter, in a tightly contested game ... so what does the coach of the 3rd worst defensive rating team of all-time do?

He subs out our best defender in Robert Covington in place of CJ McCollum who was ice cold all game long (6-19).

His strategy to win this game was to really finish with a lineup of Dame/CJ/Norm/Melo/Nurk ... you can not make this shit up.

We also got a heavy dose of Melo/Kanter in the second-half as well ... Terry knows you can go small if Melo has it rolling and play DJ, Nas, Harry, or RHJ, right?
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Just proves that blaming the defense on him is fair. He doesn’t give a FUCK about getting stops. That is clear from his rotations.
 
HolyBackboard said:
5 minutes left in the 4th quarter, in a tightly contested game ... so what does the coach of the 3rd worst defensive rating team of all-time do?

He subs out our best defender in Robert Covington in place of CJ McCollum who was ice cold all game long (6-19).
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I didn't love the lineup either, but pointing out a stretch where we outscored our opponent by 7 points in 5 minutes probably isn't one of the stronger points you could make.

Little, Jones, and RoCo were a combined -23 tonight... none of them in the positive. I still would have liked to have seen RoCo in over Melo as well though.
 
Serbian said:
Fire stotts and trade CJ is a absolute must
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I agree completely but hoping for either to have physical harm come to them is an absolute must not. I don't want them on the Blazers but I hope that they are both very successful and happy now and going forward.
 
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illmatic99 said:
@hoopsjock and @BonesJones touched on this in their postgame yesterday, but I went back and listened to the Quick interview talking about a potential replacement for Terry already in the works.

https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/pri...359/jason-quick-fan-blazers-insider-364898127

That was a bit shocking and made me very pleasantly surprised. Sorry I missed this from Quick earlier.
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I think this season is shot, with or without Terry. Unless the new coach benches Melo and stops playing all our crap defenders together.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think this season is shot, with or without Terry. Unless the new coach benches Melo and stops playing all our crap defenders together.
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Quick thinks Stotts will get this year. And unless he wins two rounds in the playoffs, there is no way he's back next year. But then referenced that there is someone the org has in mind as a replacement, but would not reveal who to protect his sources/create drama for now.
 
illmatic99 said:
Quick thinks Stotts will get this year. And unless he wins two rounds in the playoffs, there is no way he's back next year. But then referenced that there is someone the org has in mind as a replacement, but would not reveal who to protect his sources/create drama for now.
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Quick create drama?? No...
 
illmatic99 said:
Quick thinks Stotts will get this year. And unless he wins two rounds in the playoffs, there is no way he's back next year. But then referenced that there is someone the org has in mind as a replacement, but would not reveal who to protect his sources/create drama for now.
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I'm not sure. If they lose as much as I think they're going to lose to wrap up the season, I'm not sure he makes it the rest of the way. So far I have been dead on. I'm thinking 6 or maybe 7 more wins the rest of the way.

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Natebishop3 said:
I'm not sure. If they lose as much as I think they're going to lose to wrap up the season, I'm not sure he makes it the rest of the way. So far I have been dead on. I'm thinking 6 or maybe 7 more wins the rest of the way.

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Reasonable predictions and so far, right on pace! I'll take the over on 6 if you're looking for some action!:smiley-beerchug:
 
illmatic99 said:
Quick thinks Stotts will get this year. And unless he wins two rounds in the playoffs, there is no way he's back next year. But then referenced that there is someone the org has in mind as a replacement, but would not reveal who to protect his sources/create drama for now.
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Vanterpool would seem like an Olshey move. What do you think?
 
calvin natt said:
Mark Jackson’s last year they were 51-31. Klay was 23 averaging 18, David Lee 18-9, and Steph 24. They had a great defensive center in Bogut, younger Igoudala, and Barnes. They were good.
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Yes, they were good. That's why I had them as a 4/5 seed which, again, was among the highest projections on this forum and this forum was pretty typical having them as more of a 6 seed in a loaded West. I never said they weren't good. What I said is that they weren't a juggernaut when Kerr took them over, as people now insist.

Barnes was "younger" and considered disappointing, Iguodala was "younger than today" (that's how time works) but considered on the downslope of his prime. Your descriptions of Klay and Curry are consistent with what I already said. And Lee was empty stats, which is why Kerr elevating Green to the starting lineup in his place (and Barnes in place of Iguodala) were controversial and not just "doing nothing and not messing things up." He also instituted a play style that basically the entire NBA copied. Yes, it was influenced by great coaches he'd been around previously (like all smart people) but it was far from "the obvious thing to do" considering no one else was doing until he did it.

You can choose to pretend Kerr took over an existing historical juggernaut and did nothing but stand on the sideline, but the facts don't support that.
 
Minstrel said:
Yes, they were good. That's why I had them as a 4/5 seed which, again, was among the highest projections on this forum and this forum was pretty typical having them as more of a 6 seed in a loaded West. I never said they weren't good. What I said is that they weren't a juggernaut when Kerr took them over, as people now insist.

Barnes was "younger" and considered disappointing, Iguodala was "younger than today" (that's how time works) but considered on the downslope of his prime. Your descriptions of Klay and Curry are consistent with what I already said. And Lee was empty stats, which is why Kerr elevating Green to the starting lineup in his place (and Barnes in place of Iguodala) were controversial and not just "doing nothing and not messing things up." He also instituted a play style that basically the entire NBA copied. Yes, it was influenced by great coaches he'd been around previously (like all smart people) but it was far from "the obvious thing to do" considering no one else was doing until he did it.

You can choose to pretend Kerr took over an existing historical juggernaut and did nothing but stand on the sideline, but the facts don't support that.
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Kerr took over a 73 win team!!!!!!!!

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Tince said:
Vanterpool would seem like an Olshey move. What do you think?
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I think it's a very Olshey move because it will allow him to shift GM accountability to Dame since Dame is on the record about Vanterpool

I'll ask this again: the narrative that it was Dame who went to bat for Stotts with Paul Allen after the Pelicans series is fairly ingrained in recent Blazer history right now. It may very well be true, too. But, IMO, Dame didn't talk to any reporter or blogger and claim he was the one who saved Stotts his job. And Paul Allen didn't talk to anybody and say "I was going to fire Stotts but Dame talked me out of it". That would have been a complete departure from how PA operated. But that rumor/story came from somewhere, so the question is, who benefits from that leak? whose ass is covered? Pretty obvious answer
 
Vanterpool is the obvious name but I would not be surprised if Olshey went after one of Pops people. He’s long considered the Spurs as a model franchise and they have a good foundational base defensively, so it wouldn’t be a leap at all to see someone from that tree hired. Safe bet ownership will want someone defensive minded. This all assuming Olshey survives, which I think he will.

Hammon and Udoka seem like fits. I’ve also always liked Messina, but he’s back in Europe now and I’m not sure he wants to come back to the NBA.

Hammon would be at the top of my list though. Not that it matters too much, but I also know that dame and CJ are fans of hers.
 
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I'd be skeptical of hiring Vanterpool as I think he's still too close to this organization and there would be built-in biases from the jump. I really want someone from the outside, with a new perspective, and fresh eyes to properly assess this team without bias.

Hammon, Charles Lee (Bucks), and Ime are my top 3 candidates.
 
Minstrel said:
Yes, they were good. That's why I had them as a 4/5 seed which, again, was among the highest projections on this forum and this forum was pretty typical having them as more of a 6 seed in a loaded West. I never said they weren't good. What I said is that they weren't a juggernaut when Kerr took them over, as people now insist.

Barnes was "younger" and considered disappointing, Iguodala was "younger than today" (that's how time works) but considered on the downslope of his prime. Your descriptions of Klay and Curry are consistent with what I already said. And Lee was empty stats, which is why Kerr elevating Green to the starting lineup in his place (and Barnes in place of Iguodala) were controversial and not just "doing nothing and not messing things up." He also instituted a play style that basically the entire NBA copied. Yes, it was influenced by great coaches he'd been around previously (like all smart people) but it was far from "the obvious thing to do" considering no one else was doing until he did it.

You can choose to pretend Kerr took over an existing historical juggernaut and did nothing but stand on the sideline, but the facts don't support that.
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Yeah except I never said he took over a juggernaut. I said he took over a really good team with really good/star players and a good bench. Not exactly taking over a shit team. Kerr is better than Jackson, not close. But I dont think Kerr wins any more games in Portland than Stotts. Let's not get into a Golden State Warriors debate, you'll lose.
 
wizenheimer said:
I think it's a very Olshey move because it will allow him to shift GM accountability to Dame since Dame is on the record about Vanterpool

I'll ask this again: the narrative that it was Dame who went to bat for Stotts with Paul Allen after the Pelicans series is fairly ingrained in recent Blazer history right now. It may very well be true, too. But, IMO, Dame didn't talk to any reporter or blogger and claim he was the one who saved Stotts his job. And Paul Allen didn't talk to anybody and say "I was going to fire Stotts but Dame talked me out of it". That would have been a complete departure from how PA operated. But that rumor/story came from somewhere, so the question is, who benefits from that leak? whose ass is covered? Pretty obvious answer
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lol like Paul Allen would say anything close to that. No owner would. Doesn't mean that a conversation wasn't held. Why would anyone tell this to the media - Damian, PA, Olshey, Stotts, doesnt make sense for any of them to announce that.
 
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