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How good do you think Terry Stotts is a s a coach?

  • Top 5

    Votes: 9 5.8%

  • Top 10

    Votes: 44 28.6%

  • Top 20

    Votes: 35 22.7%

  • Needs to go!

    Votes: 51 33.1%

  • He's the very best!

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Lets hope he continues to improve.

    Votes: 13 8.4%
  • Total voters
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calvin natt said:
Yeah except I never said he took over a juggernaut. I said he took over a really good team with really good/star players and a good bench. Not exactly taking over a shit team. Kerr is better than Jackson, not close. But I dont think Kerr wins any more games in Portland than Stotts. Let's not get into a Golden State Warriors debate, you'll lose.
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Other than Curry, who was considered a star when Kerr took over? Klay and Draymond might be considered star players now (well, maybe not Draymond) but they certainly weren't when Jackson was the coach.
 
calvin natt said:
Yeah except I never said he took over a juggernaut. I said he took over a really good team with really good/star players and a good bench. Not exactly taking over a shit team.
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So you 100% agreed with everything I posted that you replied to, but decided to argue anyway. Cool, you do you.

Let's not get into a Golden State Warriors debate, you'll lose.
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Sure, buddy. First time I've run into a "Golden State Warriors internet tough guy."
 
Natebishop3 said:
Other than Curry, who was considered a star when Kerr took over? Klay and Draymond might be considered star players now (well, maybe not Draymond) but they certainly weren't when Jackson was the coach.
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Thats why I put a slash/good players/star players because Curry, and Klay was on the verge. Klay still was elite shooter, scoring 18 a game, and playing great D. Again, they won 51 the year before. Not a juggernaut, never said they were. David Lee was an all star in 2012-2013, and scoring 18 a game as well.
 
calvin natt said:
Thats why I put a slash/good players/star players because Curry, and Klay was on the verge. Klay still was elite shooter, scoring 18 a game, and playing great D. Again, they won 51 the year before. Not a juggernaut, never said they were. David Lee was an all star in 2012-2013, and scoring 18 a game as well.
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David Lee was an All Star and Kerr benched the guy even when he got back. Stotts would just gift him back the starting spot and sent Draymond back to the bench because "that is how it should be and you cannot lose your place due to injury".
 
Natebishop3 said:
I really wish they'd hire Becky Hammon. We need to clean out the Stotts culture. I don't want anyone off his tree. I want a completely new system. I want a completely new mindset. Just clean house.
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I honestly don't know enough about Becky Hammon's philosophy. As long as we're not hiring her as a marketing/media stunt, I'm open to it!
 
Tince said:
I honestly don't know enough about Becky Hammon's philosophy. As long as we're not hiring her as a marketing/media stunt, I'm open to it!
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Yeah... I just know she's respected around the league and Pop seems to trust her. Beyond that I don't personally know much about her.
 
We have enough offense talent, we could still have a top 5 offense, i think our offense would be even better without Stotts because his offense is massivly overrated. The defense cant get any much worse
 
Yes new set eyes would ideal someone that hasn't been in this organization has a coach. But then I really think then split Dame and CJ up it's not they both not good players but need to balance the roster out and plus you need to balance the salary out. So you some flexibility to attempt to bring in decent players. I don't Dame leaving so I think at least what they could get for CJ. I do think Stotts will be gone and I think will be play-in team and anything can happen then due the teams that is 7-10 we could loose any of them.
 
calvin natt said:
I would not hire Vanterpool. Never been a fan of the idea.
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the last time our defense was decent, he was in charge of it. His hire could possibly even inspire Dame while also bringing in a guy who would be a good transition from Terry.
 
julius said:
Quick create drama?? No...
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nah... listen to it. He didn't open with it, just was an off hand comment to a pointed question. It wasn't like Brian Windhorst who says shit without actually saying it but hints at controversial stuff to bring in views.
 
calvin natt said:
lol like Paul Allen would say anything close to that. No owner would. Doesn't mean that a conversation wasn't held. Why would anyone tell this to the media - Damian, PA, Olshey, Stotts, doesnt make sense for any of them to announce that.
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makes a lot of ass-covering sense for Olshey because now he can leak something like "Stotts is still the coach only because of Dame". That is certainly the narrative a lot of people believe

and I never said the conversation didn't happen
 
illmatic99 said:
the last time our defense was decent, he was in charge of it. His hire could possibly even inspire Dame while also bringing in a guy who would be a good transition from Terry.
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I don't know the answer, but is he in charge of Minnsota's defense?
 
illmatic99 said:
the last time our defense was decent, he was in charge of it. His hire could possibly even inspire Dame while also bringing in a guy who would be a good transition from Terry.
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The last time we had a decent defense we had a healthy Nurk all year and no substantial negative defenders outside of Dame in the rotation.

Minny's D sucks too and plays KAT in mainly a deep drop.
 
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JDC said:
The last time we had a decent defense we had a healthy Nurk all year and no substantial negative defenders outside of Dame in the rotation..
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you're forgetting about CJ

in 2018-19, Portland's defense was ranked 16th. So, at the top of the bottom half of the league. As close to median as they could get. That year, Dame had a better defensive rating, defensive win shares, and defensive box +/- than CJ. Portland's defense was 4.4 points better when Dame was on the floor than off. It was only 0.4 points better when CJ was on the floor than off. Obviously, there were rotation dynamics at work, but the bench that year had much better defenders than Melo, Kanter, and Simons
 
Mitch Lawrence was on 620 The Game and said something to the effect that if Portland doesn't at least get out of the first round, he thinks Stotts is gone. Talked about how poorly the new defensive players have been integrated and their remedial offense. Will try to catch the podcast later.
 
wizenheimer said:
you're forgetting about CJ

in 2018-19, Portland's defense was ranked 16th. So, at the top of the bottom half of the league. As close to median as they could get. That year, Dame had a better defensive rating, defensive win shares, and defensive box +/- than CJ. Portland's defense was 4.4 points better when Dame was on the floor than off. It was only 0.4 points better when CJ was on the floor than off. Obviously, there were rotation dynamics at work, but the bench that year had much better defenders than Melo, Kanter, and Simons
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Yup. I think both were close in 18-19 as slight to modest negatives. Large part of the on off difference was Dame+Nurk w/o CJ minutes (replaced by a better defender in Turner and arguably Curry). Feel like CJ has stayed roughly there since whereas Dame has really fallen off the last couple years. Hoping a large part of that is health and having to carry the scoring and playmaking load without CJ and Nurk rather then natural age regression.

Agree on the bench. Add in Nurk and Zach not being healthy and I'm not too shocked we are as bad as we are defensively. Once we decided to bring Kanter, Melo and Hood back and it was also clear that Ant was still going to play a pretty good chunk of minutes...my reasonable outcome was slightly below average defensively. And that was assuming Nurk healthy and Zach back at some point.

Last couple points I'll make about the defense. I think Nas has been pretty bad defensively despite the effort and on ball flashes. His footwork is still a mess and doesn't have the quickest feet to begin with. IQ and feel defensively are still really low imo as well. Giles is not the answer at center either. He might be a bit better showing high on side ball screens than Kanter, but Kanter has looked better in a drop than Giles and I'd argue is almost as slow recovering out of traps and when he's beat or out of position.

Not as many places to hide Dame in today's NBA either even from 3 years ago with most teams valuing shooting and skill at the wing spots over defense only guys that get ignored in the playoffs. So while it's cool to have guys like DJJ on the team to throw on a guard, I'm not sure on the whole it really helps the team, at least vs the good teams. I'd argue it hurts. Yeah Dame is not good on the ball, but I think his team defense is even more damaging.
 
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calvin natt said:
Thats why I put a slash/good players/star players because Curry, and Klay was on the verge. Klay still was elite shooter, scoring 18 a game, and playing great D. Again, they won 51 the year before. Not a juggernaut, never said they were. David Lee was an all star in 2012-2013, and scoring 18 a game as well.
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They had Iggy, Barbosa, Bogut, Lee along with the three amigos. Hell Bogut was second team all defense and Iggy was a lock down defender too. That team was a good mix of young and vets but just about any coach could have stepped in and done well and won the whole thing. If Kerr had gone to the Knicks to work for Phil and turned them into contenders a a couple years then he earned his stripes!
Players when championships some coaches are fortunate enough to have multiple super stars or stars happening.
 
JDC said:
Yup. I think both were close in 18-19 as slight to modest negatives. Large part of the on off difference was Dame+Nurk w/o CJ minutes (replaced by a better defender in Turner and arguably Curry). Feel like CJ has stayed roughly there since whereas Dame has really fallen off the last couple years. Hoping a large part of that is health and having to carry the scoring and playmaking load with CJ and Nurk natural age regression.

Agree on the bench. Add in Nurk and Zach not being healthy and I'm not too shocked we are as bad as we are defensively. Once we decided to bring Kanter, Melo and Hood back and it was also clear that Ant was still going to play a pretty good chunk of minutes...my reasonable outcome was slightly below average defensively. And that was assuming Nurk healthy and Zach back at some point.

Last couple points I'll make about the defense. I think Nas has been pretty bad defensively despite the effort and on ball flashes. His footwork is still a mess and doesn't have the quickest feet to begin with. IQ and feel defensively are still really low imo as well. Giles is not the answer at center either. He might be a bit better showing high on side ball screens than Kanter, but Kanter has looked better in a drop than Giles and I'd argue is almost as slow recovering out of traps and when he's beat or out of position.

Not as many places to hide Dame in today's NBA either even from 3 years ago with most teams valuing shooting and skill at the wing spots over defense only guys that get ignored in the playoffs. So while it's cool to have guys like DJJ on the team to throw on a guard, I'm not sure on the whole it really helps the team, at least vs the good teams. I'd argue it hurts. Yeah Dame is not good on the ball, but I think his team defense is even more damaging.
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the most interesting thing to me about Portland's defensive ratings, year to year, is 2017-18 to 2018-19

in 2017-18 the Blazers ranked 8th in the league in defense. The following year they fell to 16th. Nurkic was relatively healthy those two years; so was Zach. The roster and rotation only had one significant change...Ed Davis was healthy in 2017-18. After that season, Olshey decided Davis wasn't valuable enough to pay 4.5M a year. He was a very underrated defender. He wasn't a great rim protector but he had paint presence. Portland hasn't been the same defensively since he was let go
 
wizenheimer said:
the most interesting thing to me about Portland's defensive ratings, year to year, is 2017-18 to 2018-19

in 2017-18 the Blazers ranked 8th in the league in defense. The following year they fell to 16th. Nurkic was relatively healthy those two years; so was Zach. The roster and rotation only had one significant change...Ed Davis was healthy in 2017-18. After that season, Olshey decided Davis wasn't valuable enough to pay 4.5M a year. He was a very underrated defender. He wasn't a great rim protector but he had paint presence. Portland hasn't been the same defensively since he was let go
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End of the rotation in 18-19 was clearly worse imo (500 minutes of Stauskas among other things). Also think Shabazz and Pat were a little bit better defensively than Seth and Jake.

18-19 was the better team overall though.

Too much Zach + Meyers too. 71st percentile defensively with Zach at Center w/o Meyers and a positive overall. 96th percentile on D if you take Nik off over nearly 700 possessions and a +8.4 / 100 poss. overall (72nd percentile)

Compare that to Zach + Meyers w/o Nik (546 possessions: 7th percentile defensively / -0.8pts overall)....not sure why they gave up on Zach at Center so early.
 
wizenheimer said:
the most interesting thing to me about Portland's defensive ratings, year to year, is 2017-18 to 2018-19

in 2017-18 the Blazers ranked 8th in the league in defense. The following year they fell to 16th. Nurkic was relatively healthy those two years; so was Zach. The roster and rotation only had one significant change...Ed Davis was healthy in 2017-18. After that season, Olshey decided Davis wasn't valuable enough to pay 4.5M a year. He was a very underrated defender. He wasn't a great rim protector but he had paint presence. Portland hasn't been the same defensively since he was let go
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The biggest factor is teams are getting better at exploiting drop scheme, IMO.
 
wizenheimer said:
the most interesting thing to me about Portland's defensive ratings, year to year, is 2017-18 to 2018-19

in 2017-18 the Blazers ranked 8th in the league in defense. The following year they fell to 16th. Nurkic was relatively healthy those two years; so was Zach. The roster and rotation only had one significant change...Ed Davis was healthy in 2017-18. After that season, Olshey decided Davis wasn't valuable enough to pay 4.5M a year. He was a very underrated defender. He wasn't a great rim protector but he had paint presence. Portland hasn't been the same defensively since he was let go
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I wanted to cry when Olshey shocked everyone by dumping Davis, the heart of Blazer over-effort. Statistically per minute, Davis was our 3rd-4th-best player, and actually ranked 2nd-3rd in many many games. After each game I'd calculate the per minutes, see Davis at the top, then read everyone praising the usual suspects, Lillard and McCollum.

Olshey is so in love with his draftees that he thought that Zach Collins was better, after a shitty rookie season in which the "shooter" missed all his shots...then went to the bench in foul trouble every single game. Collins will never be as good as Davis was for us. Even if I'm wrong, it will take Collins years to get there. Meanwhile he could have learned from Davis.

Olshey was right to trade 1st-round picks for Covington, because he lacks the talent to draft big men.
 
I liked Davis too but the guy's been on 7 teams in 11 years? Must be he likes those 1-4 year contacts?
You'd think he would have stuck somewhere as a off the bench 4/5.
Do blazer fans just get to crazy over players if they aren't causing trouble, is it part of the small market fall in love easily?
 
Hoopguru said:
I liked Davis too but the guy's been on 7 teams in 11 years? Must be he likes those 1-4 year contacts?
You'd think he would have stuck somewhere as a off the bench 4/5.
Do blazer fans just get to crazy over players if they aren't causing trouble, is it part of the small market fall in love easily?
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Its 100% that "small market please love us we will love you" mentality. Thats not insulting, its what I love about Portland. I am from Portland. Lived other places, but Portland takes things personally.
 
Tince said:
Reasonable predictions and so far, right on pace! I'll take the over on 6 if you're looking for some action!:smiley-beerchug:
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I used math and I get 9.5 to 9.9 expected wins. Took our WL% record vs opponent WL% and crunched it into a made up formula. No matter how I make that formula, so long as it's consistent and reasonable, it produces nearly the same answer.
Tince said:
Reasonable predictions and so far, right on pace! I'll take the over on 6 if you're looking for some action!:smiley-beerchug:
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Based purely on WL record I say we win 9-10 of the last 18 games. We have a better record than the aggregate opposition.
 
bobf said:
I used math and I get 9.5 to 9.9 expected wins. Took our WL% record vs opponent WL% and crunched it into a made up formula. No matter how I make that formula, so long as it's consistent and reasonable, it produces nearly the same answer.

Based purely on WL record I say we win 9-10 of the last 18 games. We have a better record than the aggregate opposition.
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Interesting! I'd probably take the under on 9 wins if I had to pick. Those last couple games of the season could be all out battles or one team could not even be trying.
 
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