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Do NOT trade CJ! That would be stupid. We need competent coaching.
 
tlongII said:
Do NOT trade CJ! That would be stupid. We need competent coaching.
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Watched him quit just a few too many times. CJ only plays hard for so long. That is not on Stotts. That is on CJ.
The "Coaching" is fine. Only a few armchair coaches are saying they could do better. Their answer is always the same. They need cutting to the basket and stronger inside play. They need a "Hard Nose" coach. Here is the one i really like... " Stotts only has like two plays in his offense". Then there is the old standby...." Pops would make this team so much better!" That one always makes me laugh.
Then there is the armchair coaches that look at stats and pick out their flavor of the week. Last year it was "Stotts isn't a defensive coach". This year it's "Stotts doesn't know how to run a fast break". Right now it's "Stotts doesn't know how to make adjustments".
It's comical to the point of wasting my time trying to convince a few people who are really loud in their objection of this coaches decisions that they really don't sound very smart when it comes to basketball.
 
We cannot change this team too much without trading C.J. He is the only asset we really have at the minute that we would be able to trade and get something decent in return.

Unless we are happy being a 45-50 win team and getting bounced at the first playoffs obstacle.

I don’t see many trade destinations for him though. He’s not someone you should put as the name of your franchise. He’d fit Philadelphia like a glove but they don’t really have all that much to offer us anymore. He would be useful for Detroit but I would hate to trade him for Drummond or Griffin.

I think we would have got George last year and Cousins the year before. Both would have been good moves.
 
Wow. You guys don't know what you're talking about. If you're going to complain about CJ, you might as well complain about Dame. Dame has been HORRIBLE in this series. Far worse than CJ. You DO NOT trade transcendental talents in the NBA and both of these guys are stars. The solution is to continue to build around them and improve the coaching. Our forwards suck. We need to improve the talent level there. Fortunately we have Zach and he can help alleviate that with more development.
 
tlongII said:
Wow. You guys don't know what you're talking about. If you're going to complain about CJ, you might as well complain about Dame. Dame has been HORRIBLE in this series. Far worse than CJ. You DO NOT trade transcendental talents in the NBA and both of these guys are stars. The solution is to continue to build around them and improve the coaching. Our forwards suck. We need to improve the talent level there. Fortunately we have Zach and he can help alleviate that with more development.
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I wish I could believe that, but our "one of the top back courts in the NBA" got schooled by what most would consider an average backcourt in NO. On both ends of the court too. How many times did Holiday just walk by both Dame and CJ to get to the rim? How effective was our star backcourt in breaking down the pressure applied by NO? Both sides of the ball were a complete fail. I don't see a new coach and a couple of improved wings (and how are we going to get those anyway?) going to transform this team.
 
Reep said:
I wish I could believe that, but our "one of the top back courts in the NBA" got schooled by what most would consider an average backcourt in NO. On both ends of the court too. How many times did Holiday just walk by both Dame and CJ to get to the rim? How effective was our star backcourt in breaking down the pressure applied by NO? Both sides of the ball were a complete fail. I don't see a new coach and a couple of improved wings (and how are we going to get those anyway?) going to transform this team.
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Our backcourt has played terrible in this series. But they've shown throughout the year that they are one of the top duos in the league. I think the problem in this series is on Stotts. He has shown no ability to make adjustments to counter the Pel's pressure on our backcourt. That is coaching.
 
tlongII said:
Wow. You guys don't know what you're talking about. If you're going to complain about CJ, you might as well complain about Dame. Dame has been HORRIBLE in this series. Far worse than CJ. You DO NOT trade transcendental talents in the NBA and both of these guys are stars. The solution is to continue to build around them and improve the coaching. Our forwards suck. We need to improve the talent level there. Fortunately we have Zach and he can help alleviate that with more development.
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Dame has been double and triple teamed. Not CJ. CJ has just shit the bed and when it got tough he pretty much quit again this year in the playoffs.
 
tlongII said:
Our backcourt has played terrible in this series. But they've shown throughout the year that they are one of the top duos in the league. I think the problem in this series is on Stotts. He has shown no ability to make adjustments to counter the Pel's pressure on our backcourt. That is coaching.
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I do agree coaching is the primary issue, but also don't believe the pair have the ability to overcome this even if Pops where at the helm. Dame with a true two-way mate might work.
 
tlongII said:
Our backcourt has played terrible in this series. But they've shown throughout the year that they are one of the top duos in the league. I think the problem in this series is on Stotts. He has shown no ability to make adjustments to counter the Pel's pressure on our backcourt. That is coaching.
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What have Dame and CJ shown?! That they can beat teams in the regular season with their best players injured... they haven’t shown shit! Playoffs are the only place that counts. The 3rd seed was a joke... only 2 games from being out of playoffs and they have shown they didn’t deserve to be there. DAME AND CJ PAIRING IS THE PROBLEM!
 
Reep said:
I do agree coaching is the primary issue, but also don't believe the pair have the ability to overcome this even if Pops where at the helm. Dame with a true two-way mate might work.
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It's been said that a bigger stronger SG paired with Dame could be a better duo. I happen to agree with that.
 
BBert said:
So there is literally a cult that practices apathy? And CJ is a member?

OK. NOW I'm ready to trade him.

CJ plus the kitchen sink for Kawhi Leonard.
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So CJ and Collins?

or CJ, Collins and Nurk?
 
Man, I love CJ. I wish we had a PG that would drive and dish to CJ instead of drive and try to throw a shot up vs. one of the best shot blocking freaks of nature that the NBA has ever seen. Wish we had Playoff Rondo.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
So CJ and Collins?

or CJ, Collins and Nurk?
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No, not the house foundation. Just the kitchen sink ;)

I wonder if Pops would want Aminu? Caleb? Meyers?

I know we aren't getting Kawhi, but I can wish. Now the Lakers media are clamoring for him.
 
riverman said:
I'd trade CJ for Jrue Holiday in a heartbeat....dude is a beast...I'd probably target him before most superstar guards at this point.
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Be careful: he's a beast WHEN HE'S HEALTHY. Say what you like about CJ but he's not injury-prone.
 
Go back in time and draft Giannis instead of CJ.
Then go back one year and draft Draymond Green instead of Meyers.
Oh, and while we're about it? LISTEN TO ME AT THE TIME and draft Mirotic over NOLAN SMITH.
 
Gotta do things in the right order:
  • Change coach (and GM if necessary...it's probably necessary at this point)
  • Modify roster based on what's needed after seeing who works and what's needed in the new system
I'm always open to trading a player. But trading CJ in the summer is the wrong time to trade him. I don't think CJ is the problem - he's too smart and too skilled to be the problem. But I do agree that a bigger SG who is better at defense would likely be a better option...I'm just skeptical that we can get that sort of player.

If we trade CJ we should do it mid-season. We'll rehab his value during the regular season - hopefully under a new coach. That way we maximize our return. Trading anyone of value (basically Dame, CJ, Collins since we can't trade Nurk/Ed) during the summer would be selling low. Use the other guys not listed over there <<--- to try to make minor but meaningful upgrades. Get a new coach. Play the first half of the season and see what the next move is, after we've built up better value in our players.
 
dviss1 said:
Y'all in here trippin lol.
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nothing to see here ... stop trippin

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dviss1 said:
Y'all in here trippin lol.
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Not really. It also ain't just us. This is the sentiment across the entire fan base. There is problems with the way this team is built. This isn't rocket science. They need to make some changes. I just don't want to make changes that don't bring a good value back. That might be a year or even two away. But they do in fact need to be made.
 
I’d look at a sign and trade situation with Milwaukee where we send out CJ and Nurk and get back Middleton and Parker. Then try and get a real shooter at the 3 by shopping Moe and our 1st(s). Use out TPE on a guy like Courtney Lee or Tony Snell. This is my pie in the sky scenario.

I like Nurk but you can’t have your starting center signed to long term money when he can’t even play in the playoffs. We will always hit a matchup in the playoffs where he is exploited and taken completely out of the game. The game has changed, adapt or die.

Dame, Middleton, Harris?, Parker, Collins put into Budenholzer’s system and were cooking with gas again.
 
Kevin O'Connor writes a predictable trade CJ article and comes up with a few ideas: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/...rail-blazers-damian-lillard-cj-mccollum-trade

Even before this series, league executives had assumed that Olshey would break up the duo if they failed again. We’ll find out in due time, but the idea should be entertained.
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1. CJ + Leonard for Harry Barnes -- > gross
2. CJ for Frank Ntilikina + #9 pick --> meh
3. CJ for Monk, MKG, Zeller + #11 pick --> getting better
4. CJ for DeAndre, Beverly + #13 pick --> Ok this is good.
5. CJ for Love, Osman + #8 pick --> Where do I sign?

Dame, Pat, Moe, Love, Nurk

With Zach, Napier, Aminu, and possibly Bridges off the bench (until he's ready to step in as a 2)? I'd do that today.
 
kjironman1 said:
Not really. It also ain't just us. This is the sentiment across the entire fan base. There is problems with the way this team is built. This isn't rocket science. They need to make some changes. I just don't want to make changes that don't bring a good value back. That might be a year or even two away. But they do in fact need to be made.
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How do you know what I'm talking about or are you just assuming?

"Trippin" has a few meanings.

I mean it I'm the sense that everyone is I'm here doing this:

:hairout:
 
dviss1 said:
How do you know what I'm talking about or are you just assuming?

"Trippin" has a few meanings.

I mean it I'm the sense that everyone is I'm here doing this:

:hairout:
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I understand the many nuances of "Trippin" very well. Yes people are in fact "Trippin" but my feeling is there are ways to "Trip". You can look for positives and ways to fix issues or you can go to the Negs.
My point in my response was that the "Trippin"seems to be justified in some instances. It isn't just this thread or this forum. These kinds of conversations right now IMO have merit. That includes both sides of any argument happening.
 
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