First move in the offseason

[blue9]

Dirk said he wants to keep playing, but not in Dallas if they rebuild.

The Mavs need to blow it up. That team has no chance. It's so fatally put together.

Would you guys take Dirk as a rental? One or two years? Can you imagine Dirk back in Terry Stotts' offense?

Interesting...
Yes, yes I think I would. Imagine the pick/pop with Dame/Dirk. I always hated it with LMA because he was a mediocre shooter who was also unable to put the ball on the floor. But swap him out for a REAL shooter like Dirk, who also has the ability to dribble the ball...and PASS the ball? Even in his old age that could be deadly.

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Dirk
Plumlee

 

[blue9]

If Dirk was available I really don't see any way to have a good defensive unit with him and DameCJ.

That's my biggest concern. With Dirk we'd just be going for sheer firepower. Before he was mentioned I'd been fixated on a good two-way PF like Ibaka. But Dirk would be a fine back-up plan, because I don't see us getting Ibaka even if Durant leaves OKC. But IMO, Ibaka would be the ideal PF.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Interesting...
Yes, yes I think I would. Imagine the pick/pop with Dame/Dirk. I always hated it with LMA because he was a mediocre shooter who was also unable to put the ball on the floor. But swap him out for a REAL shooter like Dirk, who also has the ability to dribble the ball...and PASS the ball? Even in his old age that could be deadly.

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Dirk
Plumlee

To me, it would be similar to the Pippen move because we would add a veteran who will get respect from the refs in the playoffs, could play a small role during the regular season and then try and beast in the playoffs. I remember when everyone said that Wally Szerbiack would abuse Pippen in the first round in the playoffs. Instead, Pippen was beastly and Wally was relatively nonexistent. Depending on what you have to give up (just say no to trading Dame, CJ, and I guess Mason Plumlee at this point), I kind of like the idea.

Edit: Well yeah, defensively, hmmm, ummmm, well, yeah....

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Fuck that, re-sign The HCP. His contract is up as well!

You only get a new contract if you post a pic of Mrs. HCP in the Bodacious Babes thread!

 

[BigGameDamian]

You guys think the Blazers are going to get Dirk?

 

[Natebishop3]

You guys think the Blazers are going to get Dirk?

Nope, probably not.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Two guys that I think Neil might pursue who no one has really talked about: Pau Gasol and Jared Sullinger

I'd be all in for Gasol!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hmm...imagine Dirk shooting all the 3s Aminu gets. Or imagine Dirk shooting all those mid range shots that LA got. He's one of the best of all time at the mid range.

While you're at it, also try to imagine Dirk trying to guard a healthy Blake Griffin. We would have been swept in 4 games. Yeah, Aminu is a streaky shooter who will NEVER be anything remotely close to Dirk on offense, but the reverse it true on the other end of the court. Dirk has never been a good defender, but age has really caught up with him. Here's a good article from a year ago describing how Dirk's atrocious defense was costing the Mavs the series against HOU because Dirk was getting lit up by Terence Jones and Josh Smith. Alias Smith & Jones combined to average over 30 ppg in that series.

Dirk's Defense Proving To Be An Ever Growing Problem For Dallas

Yeah, I know, RealGM... Read the article. It makes several valid points and comes to the conclusion that Dirk cant guard ANYBODY, not on the perimeter, nor in the paint. That article was from last year when his DRtg was 111 for that series. He got even worse this year when his post season DRtg ballooned to a career worse 123. This is not a trend that is going to reverse over time, his already horrible defense will only get worse as he continues to age. A geriatric Dirk Nowitzki is not what this team needs.

Honestly, I hope he comes back and plays at least two more years in Dallas. They have become a marginal playoff team and as long as Dirk is there, they will continue to surround him with other over-the-hill veterans and avoid the inevitable rebuild that will eventually make them a potential threat.

Yes, it's true, he is one of the all-time great shooters/scorers in NBA history, but other than a one season up tick three years ago, his overall production has been in a slow, steady decline for 10 years. He's no longer the same Dirk he was in 2006, 2011 or even 2014. He will only continue to get worse over time. A big no thanks on this one.

BNM

 

[andalusian]

If we lose Crabbe/Henderson I can see us making a run at Kent Bazemore

 

[Natebishop3]

If we lose Crabbe/Henderson I can see us making a run at Kent Bazemore

I don't think we'll lose Crabbe, because I don't see us not matching. On the other hand, I think Hendo is gone.

 

[craigehlo]

Kent Bazemore would be great. Fits the mold of versatile player that can cover multiple positions and knock down open jumpers.

 

[Pinwheel1]

A scoring PF.

We have Plumlee at center. Sure if we can trade for the few who are better....fine, but realistically I would focus on building around him on the front line.
So if we go Harkless at SF then we need a PF who can score. Horford seems like the ideal fit to me since he is a free agent. That gives us time for continuing to groom Vonleh. (Plus we will have Aminu who can guard the stretch 4's)

Gasol wants to go to a top contender. Does not seem to care about the salary. I don't see him coming here.
Back up PG........who cares. Sure we always need one, but not our biggest priority. Keeps Roberts for those limited minutes.
Bazemore would be nice, but I am fine keeping Crabbe and Harkless at SF. (assuming they both will get better)
Dirk.....not coming.

 

[Nate]

Whiteside and dougie McBuckets.

Dame/cj
Cj/Crabbe
Mo/dougie
Aminu/Davis
Whiteside/ Plumlee

I'd like to see where that takes us.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Interesting...
Yes, yes I think I would. Imagine the pick/pop with Dame/Dirk. I always hated it with LMA because he was a mediocre shooter who was also unable to put the ball on the floor. But swap him out for a REAL shooter like Dirk, who also has the ability to dribble the ball...and PASS the ball? Even in his old age that could be deadly.

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Dirk
Plumlee

So where's your buroser in the middle? Plumlee?

 

[julius]

So where's your buroser in the middle? Plumlee?

buroser? Is that a slur for dukies?

 

[Strenuus]

I'd be all in for Gasol!

lol.

"big splash"

 

[BBert]

Interesting...
Yes, yes I think I would. Imagine the pick/pop with Dame/Dirk. I always hated it with LMA because he was a mediocre shooter who was also unable to put the ball on the floor. But swap him out for a REAL shooter like Dirk, who also has the ability to dribble the ball...and PASS the ball? Even in his old age that could be deadly.

Dame
CJ
Harkless
Dirk
Plumlee

Dirk is a better shooter, a better passer, and a smarter player than LaMarCooch. Sure, he's way past his prime and not close to an all star, but I think he'd play well with Dame and CJ, and he could help open up our offense for the next two years. For the right price, that could be a good move.

 

[BonesJones]

A 36 year old who can't play defense and a fat ass who refuses to get in shape? Pass

Pau had a DRPM of 4 this year.. This dudes been a really great defender the past couple years, and is also a low post and a spacing threat, while also being a great rebounder (12 per 36) and passer (almost 5 assists per 36). His game is also built to last a few more years.

Sullingers lost weight, and is only 23 years old.

 

[BonesJones]

Actually all of those players play both offense and defense.

There's a difference between playing "no" something and simply not being an impact player on that side of the ball. If we're going to talk like you'd we'd say CJ and Dame play no defense, Aminu and Plumlee play no offense. The real question is how much do they positively impact the game, countered with out weak they are in other areas, also are they an upgrade over who we currently have, and are there any superior options that are free agents?

Fine, they suck at defense, and they suck at offense. Is that a better choice of words for you?

Anderson is as bad defensively as CJ and Dame if not worse.

Ezeli and Aldrich are way worse offensively then Plumlee and Aminu.

 

[BBert]

I don't think we'll lose Crabbe, because I don't see us not matching. On the other hand, I think Hendo is gone.

Too inconsistent anyway.

 

[Natebishop3]

Too inconsistent anyway.

His game is just too one-dimensional. He's not a three point shooter. He hasn't had much success with driving into the lane. When his mid-range jumper isn't falling.....

 

[BBert]

His game is just too one-dimensional. He's not a three point shooter. He hasn't had much success with driving into the lane. When his mid-range jumper isn't falling.....

When Henderson is open, he literally takes one dribble in from the three point line to instead take "the worst shot in basketball". That's just not going to fly here. The guy can seriously jump though, and he plays hard, I'll give him that.

 

[Nate]

When Henderson is open, he literally takes one dribble in from the three point line to instead take "the worst shot in basketball". That's just not going to fly here. The guy can seriously jump though, and he plays hard, I'll give him that.

I think it's because hes not a catch and shoot player. Or a 3pt shooter. So for him, the worst shot in basketball is a better shot than a catch and shoot 3. The dribble is what gives him rhythm. I like him, but I want to replace him with dougie McBuckets, and give more minutes to Crabbe.

 

[Nate]

His game is just too one-dimensional. He's not a three point shooter. He hasn't had much success with driving into the lane. When his mid-range jumper isn't falling.....

He is the only guard we have that can back someone down in the post though. But for the future, I don't see him here.

 

[Sinobas]

Fine, they suck at defense, and they suck at offense. Is that a better choice of words for you?

Anderson is as bad defensively as CJ and Dame if not worse.

Ezeli and Aldrich are way worse offensively then Plumlee and Aminu.

Really? How do you know Ryan Anderson sucks defensively? How much film have you watched of his defense? Overall he's -.2%, which indicates that he's average. Damian Lillard was +3.8, which is not good.

Festus averaged 15 points per 36 last year, while shooting 55%. Mason averaged 13 while shooting 52%. Cole averaged 15 while shooting 57% (and 71% from the FT line). Pretty silly to say they are "way worse offensively than Plumlee". (aminu is not even in the picture since he doesn't play center).

 

[Nate]

Really? How do you know Ryan Anderson sucks defensively? How much film have you watched of his defense? Overall he's -.2%, which indicates that he's average. Damian Lillard was +3.8, which is not good.

Festus averaged 15 points per 36 last year, while shooting 55%. Mason averaged 13 while shooting 52%. Cole averaged 15 while shooting 57% (and 71% from the FT line). Pretty silly to say they are "way worse offensively than Plumlee". (aminu is not even in the picture since he doesn't play center).

Per 36 stats for players like that are very misleading... they play 13 and 16 minutes a game respectively. Of course their per 36 is gonna look good.

 

[Nate]

I highly doubt that they would be averaging those numbers effectively on a winning team while playing 36 minutes.. playing against the other starts for 36 minutes...

 

[Sinobas]

Per 36 stats for players like that are very misleading... they play 13 and 16 minutes a game respectively. Of course their per 36 is gonna look good.

It's not misleading unless they've played so little that it's not a reliable representation of what they produce (like if they played 30 minutes total in a season). The only way to cross compare players statistics is to normalize it to an equal number of minutes.

Go ahead and think they wouldn't average that much as a starter, but those stats would presented to counter the claim that they were "much worse offensively than Plumlee". But you obviously missed that point.

 

[theprunetang]

I was talking to Craig Smith earlier today, and he's looking to make a comeback! Rhino for 14th man? Hehe.

 

[Nate]

It's not misleading unless they've played so little that it's not a reliable representation of what they produce (like if they played 30 minutes total in a season). The only way to cross compare players statistics is to normalize it to an equal number of minutes.

Go ahead and think they wouldn't average that much as a starter, but those stats would presented to counter the claim that they were "much worse offensively than Plumlee". But you obviously missed that point.

OK.
I think you obviously missed the point of what I said.