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riverman said:
Kevlar school uniforms....
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MARIS61 said:
Got it covered. :cheers:
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I'm interested to hear more. When I go to Costa Rica next month I'll be with 8-9 former Army Rangers and I bet that some would probably like to bring their firearms. Can you provide more information?
 
President Donald Trump is telling the nation’s governors that he would have run into the deadly Florida high school shooting “even if I didn’t have a weapon.”

The president is again finding fault with officers who didn’t stop the Florida gunman who carried out the massacre earlier this month. Trump says the deputies “weren’t exactly Medal of Honor winners.”

He tells 39 of the nation’s governors, “I really believe I’d run in there even if I didn’t have a weapon.”

Trump is vowing to turn the nation’s “grief into action” following the mass school shooting that killed 17 people. Trump says that while “our nation is heartbroken,” the U.S. needs “to have action” on measures related to school safety and gun violence.

https://www.apnews.com/27431e0cf11d...low&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics
 
SlyPokerDog said:
President Donald Trump is telling the nation’s governors that he would have run into the deadly Florida high school shooting “even if I didn’t have a weapon.”

The president is again finding fault with officers who didn’t stop the Florida gunman who carried out the massacre earlier this month. Trump says the deputies “weren’t exactly Medal of Honor winners.”

He tells 39 of the nation’s governors, “I really believe I’d run in there even if I didn’t have a weapon.”

Trump is vowing to turn the nation’s “grief into action” following the mass school shooting that killed 17 people. Trump says that while “our nation is heartbroken,” the U.S. needs “to have action” on measures related to school safety and gun violence.

https://www.apnews.com/27431e0cf11d...low&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics
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If you believe you are smarter and better than everyone you might actually do it.

Do I think he'd really do that? Nope.

Do I THINK that I might try and sneak in there and do something? I THINK so, unless you find yourself in that situation how do you really know?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
President Donald Trump is telling the nation’s governors that he would have run into the deadly Florida high school shooting “even if I didn’t have a weapon.”

The president is again finding fault with officers who didn’t stop the Florida gunman who carried out the massacre earlier this month. Trump says the deputies “weren’t exactly Medal of Honor winners.”

He tells 39 of the nation’s governors, “I really believe I’d run in there even if I didn’t have a weapon.”

Trump is vowing to turn the nation’s “grief into action” following the mass school shooting that killed 17 people. Trump says that while “our nation is heartbroken,” the U.S. needs “to have action” on measures related to school safety and gun violence.

https://www.apnews.com/27431e0cf11d...low&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics
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He sure ran away from the Viet Nam war when he was called up...several times...#fakebravery
 
riverman said:
He sure ran away from the Viet Nam war when he was called up...several times...#fakebravery
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Geez! I find it difficult to look down on those that found a way out of going to Vietnam. From the moment of the Gulf of Tonkin incident
I knew that Johnson was telling us baloney. We should have impeach him for that one rather than send young men to Vietnam.
Especially in view of history where Truman would not help the Vietnamese, whom were our allies in WWII, prevent the French from returning to Indo China.
Two Democrat Presidents created that mess and it was in plain view for all to see.
 
MarAzul said:
Geez! I find it difficult to look down on those that found a way out of going to Vietnam. From the moment of the Gulf of Tonkin incident
I knew that Johnson was telling us baloney. We should have impeach him for that one rather than send young men to Vietnam.
Especially in view of history where Truman would not help the Vietnamese, whom were our allies in WWII, prevent the French from returning to Indo China.
Two Democrat Presidents created that mess and it was in plain view for all to see.
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I wasn't alive then but knowing what my uncle was supposed to be like before he went and what he was like when I grew up I wish he'd got out of that mess somehow
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I wasn't alive then but knowing what my uncle was supposed to be like before he went and what he was like when I grew up I wish he'd got out of that mess somehow
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Really! So fucking wrong. I do blame Americans for not paying attention too! Two Democrat Presidents did this and we shuffled along with it, like a herd of dumb shits. And the correct history is not taught even to this day.
 
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MarAzul said:
Really! So fucking wrong. I do blame Americans for not paying attention too! Two Democrat Presidents did this and we shuffled alone with it, like a herd of dumb shits. And the correct history is not taught even to this day.
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Of course in your telling, Eisenhower and Nixon both had clean hands on Vietnam. Hell, Nixon persuaded the North Vietnamese to drag their heels on the peace talks in order to get elected. Then he allowed the war to drag out for another 4 years. Quit demonizing the Democrats and admit that politicians in general are shitheels in the pockets of corporations. And Americans (sadly) ARE a herd of dumbshits. Just look at what’s going on today on both sides of the fence. Christ, it took the Kent State massacre for my patriotic dad to finally decide that he’d rather see his three draft eligible sons go to prison than to Vietnam. Unfortunately it usually takes a tragedy before we even think about pulling our collective heads out of our collective asses........and sorry, but even the most disinterested high school kids know we lost in Vietnam and that we should never have been there in the first place.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Of course in your telling, Eisenhower and Nixon both had clean hands on Vietnam. Hell, Nixon persuaded the North Vietnamese to drag their heels on the peace talks in order to get elected. Then he allowed the war to drag out for another 4 years. Quit demonizing the Democrats and admit that politicians in general are shitheels in the pockets of corporations. And Americans (sadly) ARE a herd of dumbshits. Just look at what’s going on today on both sides of the fence. Christ, it took the Kent State massacre for my patriotic dad to finally decide that he’d rather see his three draft eligible sons go to prison than to Vietnam. Unfortunately it usually takes a tragedy before we even think about pulling our collective heads out of our collective asses........and sorry, but even the most disinterested high school kids know we lost in Vietnam and that we should never have been there in the first place.
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well said....I'd say the Korean war had a bit of a lasting effect on the country as well.....glad there's no draft for kids today....Trump, however is pretty far from a heroic dude.....but he hates democrats so they'll prop him up
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Eisenhower and Nixon
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Naw, no real pass to those guys either. Nixon did not start the fiasco, but he sure as hell did not do the right thing either. I never could vote for that man, never did.
Eisenhower Did not do the initial screw up either, but he did let it go forward doing nothing. I do not hold him on high either. I served under him... Well I have written my views on him several times, and don't need to repeat it here. I left out Kennedy too, because I don't really know much about his lack of doing anything to get us out of the shit to come.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
sorry, but even the most disinterested high school kids know we lost in Vietnam and that we should never have been there in the first place.
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Yes, they know this line. What they do not learn is the total bull shit that put us in position and the total deceit , lies, and manipulation that push us into the mess we were lead to endure.
 
Intervention in foreign government elections and appointment of leaders?

The horrors!
 
Let's revisit Trumps dissing of John McCain's war record....he likes heroes who don't get caught...for him to even hint that he's willing to put himself in harms way for anyone is pure bluster....he's claimed Flynn is a great guy....poor judge of character across the board...like how Nixon was left out of the Viet Nam problem.....probably because of his partisan preferences. Trump is the same guy who said he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue in NY and the people would still love him....now he claims he'd go after a shooter unarmed in a hail of gunfire...if you believe that, you're definitely out of touch with reality
 
riverman said:
Let's revisit Trumps dissing of John McCain's war record....he likes heroes who don't get caught...for him to even hint that he's willing to put himself in harms way for anyone is pure bluster....he's claimed Flynn is a great guy....poor judge of character across the board...like how Nixon was left out of the Viet Nam problem.....probably because of his partisan preferences. Trump is the same guy who said he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue in NY and the people would still love him....now he claims he'd go after a shooter unarmed in a hail of gunfire...if you believe that, you're definitely out of touch with reality
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:unsure: Are you going to survive?
 
Denny Crane said:
Intervention in foreign government elections and appointment of leaders?

The horrors!
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And here we are intervening in our own governments appointment of leaders....actually the horror is in not investigating corruption wherever it rears it's ugly head and I include both parties when I support these investigations....where you guys find trust in Trump's staff is baffling. Imagine he's a woman in a pantsuit with a lot of connections in politics.....that might bring some clarity to the process.
 
riverman said:
And here we are intervening in our own governments appointment of leaders....actually the horror is in not investigating corruption wherever it rears it's ugly head and I include both parties when I support these investigations....where you guys find trust in Trump's staff is baffling. Imagine he's a woman in a pantsuit with a lot of connections in politics.....that might bring some clarity to the process.
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We're allowed to control our own elections, advocate for candidates and policies.

The only process I see is butt hurt sore losers trying to overthrow the duly elected president.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Americans (sadly) ARE a herd of dumbshits
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Yes and there is little refuge in having done what you can to alter the course.
I happened to know from experience that a few Torpedo boats were not a real threat to a couple Gearing Class destroyers. The destroyers would out class the boats in fire Control and out gun them badly. One, the Turner Joy was a newer Forest Sherman class so that made it even more unbalanced.

Absolutely no logical reason if an actually attack occurred, to take the Nation to War over this.

I wrote to Senator Wayne Morse expressing my view. I really do not know if I had a an affect on the Senator at all, but he was one of two that voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution that Johnson used as authorization for going to war in Vietnam. Doing what you can to prevent bad stuff does not feel good. Only successful prevention can allow that feel.
 
Denny Crane said:
The only process I see is butt hurt sore losers
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This is why you have tunnel vision about your guy....and make no bones about it...he's your guy..why? He hates Hillary...that's it...due diligence is not butt hurt sore losing but Flynn is a butt hurt sore loser....you give the bad guys applause for one reason....they support your vitriol against the democratic party...don't you ever get tired of the narrative that Trump is good because Hillary is not? Trust has meaning to me....apparently not that important to you...if a president insults our departments of justice and everyone who does not profess undying loyalty to him...he's painting himself in a corner....he made some stupid insults that will surely come back to bite him.....americans watch and weigh in.....it's what we do here ..you can pretend to have the answers but should be careful not to avoid the questions
 
Now Trump saying he would have ran in and taken the suspect out with his bare hands. Good grief.
 
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