Former Portland Trail Blazer Travis Outlaw has been arrested on a federal marijuana charge.

[BlazerWookee]

Well, all I know is it wasn't the tempo of the tempo that got be temporarily locked up...but it was tempting to blame the tempo.

If the driver had, shall we say, "partaken" before driving, would that make him a Stoned Tempo Pilot?

 

[Nate]

Yeah I don't partake at all, and used to feel really hardline about it being a crime, but nowadays I'm like "whatever, the war on drugs is classist and racist and this is all stupid."

Not to mention, most people that do drugs are suffering from mental illness. Usually brought on by traumatic experiences from their childhood. No different than a veteran turning to alcohol to cope with ptsd. But instead of putting these depressed people through therapy and out-patient therapy, we send them to jail, fine them, and make it harder for them to get ahead in life. I don't know a single heroin/meth addict that wasn't abused sexually and or physically as a child. I also don't know anyone that actually likes getting high on that shit, they just don't know how to cope with their anxiety/depression so they get high to mask it. We need a war on mental illness.

 

[Orion Bailey]

If the driver had, shall we say, "partaken" before driving, would that make him a Stoned Tempo Pilot?

Ohhh man, Great play Wook! one of my favorite bands of all time too, but I think we all know Scott was a little more Stoned when trying to find the Tempo!

 

[noknobs]

I love how he's too tall for the height measurement in the mugshot.

 

[Sinobas]

I'm am not surprised...I mean, can you trust a guy that looks like this?

 

[Haakzilla]

I can't think of any I have known who went to jail. I have fired a couple for not getting their work done. Designers just don't do well on that shit. I was never successful getting one to go through rehab either. Of course that never works for anyone unless they want to make a change. That only seem to happen to alcoholics. Too bad, they can get their design work done when sober, they only fail to get the work done when missing work from being hungover. The pot head designer comes to work and doesn't get shit done and never wants to change. Has anyone ever figured out how to deal with this as the boss?

...some of the most successful business men and women I have worked with smoke cannabis every day. My guess is that the designers you have experience with already had a propensity for laziness and lacked motivation, high or otherwise.

 

[MarAzul]

...some of the most successful business men and women I have worked with smoke cannabis every day. My guess is that the designers you have experience with already had a propensity for laziness and lacked motivation, high or otherwise.

Right!

 

[Shaboid]

Right!

Sarcasm?

 

[riverman]

I have to say although I'm pro marijuana, it has no place in the workplace. Substances that alter consciousness often just amplify who people are...if they get stoned to go to work and are lazy...they were lazy to begin with. I never allowed any of my band mates perform a show stoned or drunk....after the show...do what you want but I think most stoner musicians are not sharp with timing, tuning or dynamics. Everybody knows a nice guy who's a nasty drunk....pot can have the same effect with some personality types...dumb them down and turn them into softballs. I don't chain smoke pot just like I don't guzzle bottles of fine wine for breakfast....know your limits and do something creative with your recreational habits but understand that getting stoned only makes your craft mushy and dull to all except yourself....mediocre performances tend to sound good to people who are stoned, but not so much to the audience. It's a problem I have with a lot of Eugene bands....pot is pretty far from an accurate tuning fork or a metronome. If I were MarAzul, I'd have probably fired those employees as well.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I have to say although I'm pro marijuana, it has no place in the workplace. Substances that alter consciousness often just amplify who people are...if they get stoned to go to work and are lazy...they were lazy to begin with. I never allowed any of my band mates perform a show stoned or drunk....after the show...do what you want but I think most stoner musicians are not sharp with timing, tuning or dynamics. Everybody knows a nice guy who's a nasty drunk....pot can have the same effect with some personality types...dumb them down and turn them into softballs. I don't chain smoke pot just like I don't guzzle bottles of fine wine for breakfast....know your limits and do something creative with your recreational habits but understand that getting stoned only makes your craft mushy and dull to all except yourself....mediocre performances tend to sound good to people who are stoned, but not so much to the audience. It's a problem I have with a lot of Eugene bands....pot is pretty far from an accurate tuning fork or a metronome. If I were MarAzul, I'd have probably fired those employees as well.

I've been a recreational marijuana user since I was 16 years old and I have to agree with most of what Riv is saying. But, now having more knowledge and choice (as far as strains go) since legalization, I'd suggest that different strains have different effects. Back in the day when you didn't have much in the way of choices, one "buy" might get you fired up, creative and/or focused, while the next buy might demotivate and induce couch lock. You took what you could get and hoped for the best. Now, we get to choose the strain for the result we want. And that (along with the tax revenues) is the best part of legalization. That said, I still don't want my coworkers, people I hire to perform work for me etc, to get high on my time and my dime. In my younger days I got involved in a fair amount of artistic endeavors. I can say without any exaggeration that I almost always had my best ideas when stoned. I can also say without exaggeration that those ideas were always best executed when I wasn't stoned. As Riv said, know your limits, same as with alcohol, exercise, politics or pretty much anything else in life. There's a time and a place for everything.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I have to say although I'm pro marijuana, it has no place in the workplace. Substances that alter consciousness often just amplify who people are...if they get stoned to go to work and are lazy...they were lazy to begin with. I never allowed any of my band mates perform a show stoned or drunk....after the show...do what you want but I think most stoner musicians are not sharp with timing, tuning or dynamics. Everybody knows a nice guy who's a nasty drunk....pot can have the same effect with some personality types...dumb them down and turn them into softballs. I don't chain smoke pot just like I don't guzzle bottles of fine wine for breakfast....know your limits and do something creative with your recreational habits but understand that getting stoned only makes your craft mushy and dull to all except yourself....mediocre performances tend to sound good to people who are stoned, but not so much to the audience. It's a problem I have with a lot of Eugene bands....pot is pretty far from an accurate tuning fork or a metronome. If I were MarAzul, I'd have probably fired those employees as well.

I've been a recreational marijuana user since I was 16 years old and I have to agree with most of what Riv is saying. But, now having more knowledge and choice (as far as strains go) since legalization, I'd suggest that different strains have different effects. Back in the day when you didn't have much in the way of choices, one "buy" might get you fired up, creative and/or focused, while the next buy might demotivate and induce couch lock. You took what you could get and hoped for the best. Now, we get to choose the strain for the result we want. And that (along with the tax revenues) is the best part of legalization. That said, I still don't want my coworkers, people I hire to perform work for me etc, to get high on my time and my dime. In my younger days I got involved in a fair amount of artistic endeavors. I can say without any exaggeration that I almost always had my best ideas when stoned. I can also say without exaggeration that those ideas were always best executed when I wasn't stoned. As Riv said, know your limits, same as with alcohol, exercise, politics or pretty much anything else in life. There's a time and a place for everything.

Agreed.

I write my best music stoned. I have had my worst performances stoned.
Learn the lesson and then play the game.

 

[Mediocre Man]

How does that equate?

Apples to oranges

Your increased risk of an accident at 75 vs 55 is substantial depending on the traffic, time of day, etc. Smoking a joint vs not, is not the same type of risk to others OR yourself. Smoking two joints instead of one a day does not increase the chances or risk of something happening to you or others.

Come on. Use logic when debating. or at least something with validity that makes sense.

So weed doesn't impair you?
It doesn't increase drug trafficing?
Speed limit was lowered to conserve gas, not for safety reasons

 

[Orion Bailey]

So weed doesn't impair you?
It doesn't increase drug trafficing?
Speed limit was lowered to conserve gas, not for safety reasons

Where did I saw weed doesnt impair you? It doesnt while driving, unless your smoking illegally and thats against the law.

NO. My weed smoking does not increase drug trafficking. In fact with the latest laws, it has helped to decrease. With more people growing, I no longer have to import from further way, but can simply go into my neighbors backyard.

Speed limit was lowered to conserve gas is a fairy tale....Or it would have been done everywhere. Now I'm just laughing at the conspiracy theory. Speed limits vary based on the radius of curves in the roadway causing G forces. Speed limits also vary based on the width of lanes. Then depending on what type of cargo you are carrying there are another set of restrictions for speeds based on axle count and weight.

Clearly you haven't done much studying of political science commuter issues studies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States_by_jurisdiction

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/22/stateline-speed-limit/2575047/
(Speed limits going up)


Not everything is a conspiracy.

 

[barfo]

Speed limit was lowered to conserve gas is a fairy tale....Or it would have been done everywhere. Now I'm just laughing at the conspiracy theory. Speed limits vary based on the radius of curves in the roadway causing G forces. Speed limits also vary based on the width of lanes. Then depending on what type of cargo you are carrying there are another set of restrictions for speeds based on axle count and weight.

Clearly you haven't done much studying of political science commuter issues studies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States_by_jurisdiction

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/22/stateline-speed-limit/2575047/
(Speed limits going up)


Not everything is a conspiracy.

MM is referring to the 1974 national speed limit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

MM is referring to the 1974 national speed limit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law

barfo

Really? Would have been nice to know the referral.

So we are reffering to something that happened over 50 years ago?

The article says that all speeds were changed to 55, yes, to help the inflating oil prices.
But that was long since removed, as clearly the national speed limit is NOT 55. and HASN'T been for many many many years.

I'm not sure we aren't just posting for arguments sake, or if there is actual thought going into some posts?

(I know I've been guilty of this...

 

[barfo]

Really? Would have been nice to know the referral.

So we are reffering to something that happened over 50 years ago?

The article says that all speeds were changed to 55, yes, to help the inflating oil prices.
But that was long since removed, as clearly the national speed limit is NOT 55. and HASN'T been for many many many years.

I'm not sure we aren't just posting for arguments sake, or if there is actual thought going into some posts?

(I know I've been guilty of this...

Technically, 1974 was only 42 years ago. And yes, some of us remember it like it was yesterday. Better, in fact, than we remember yesterday.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Technically, 1974 was only 42 years ago. And yes, some of us remember it like it was yesterday. Better, in fact, than we remember yesterday.

barfo

If you remember it like yesterday,. then what about the 42 years in between where the speed limit changed again. Was that all forgotten about?
My point being is things have changed and have been changed for many years, so basically that was irrelevant for today's discussion, no?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If you remember it like yesterday,. then what about the 42 years in between where the speed limit changed again. Was that all forgotten about?
My point being is things have changed and have been changed for many years, so basically that was irrelevant for today's discussion, no?

All speed addicts remember the day their bad trip started.

 

[barfo]

If you remember it like yesterday,. then what about the 42 years in between where the speed limit changed again. Was that all forgotten about?
My point being is things have changed and have been changed for many years, so basically that was irrelevant for today's discussion, no?

Well, I'm going to go drive my Ford Pinto around at 55 just to spite you.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well, I'm going to go drive my Ford Pinto around at 55 just to spite you.

barfo

At least you had a Pinto, I had a fricken Opal!!!!

Disclaimer: this was not my ACTUAL Opal...

 

[jlprk]

As a former Tempo owner, I can attest that you should have gone to jail for driving one. As I should have also......it was a crime against humanity.

Back in the 80s, mine was red. Looked sharp, but had a dealer-added air conditioner underpowered by a 4-cylinder engine.

 

[jlprk]

For all you saying it's stupid, or shouldn't be a crime, does that mean I can go 75 in a 55 and shouldn't get a ticket? The speed limit is stupid. Still the law though

"The law is the law" is the essence of fascism's definition...a belief that your code of morality is identical to the code of law you happen to have been born into. You need to realize that you live in an intersection of physics fields...a cultural system, a legal system, a moral system, an economic system, etc. It's up to you to reconcile their contradictions into a personal morality, instead of the childish belief that they are all identical. Just a little profound acid thinking for you to contemplate...

As for your analogy to speeding, traffic accidents kill tens of thousands of Americans per year. The number of LSD deaths per year is zero. That's right, zero.

Smoking a joint or two while operating heavy machinery could be just as dangerous or worse than driving 75 depending on conditions.

I think what MM is trying to say is that the way you declare some laws more important than others - is by voting to change the ones that do not make sense. Until this vote happens - choosing arbitrarily what law to obey and what not can get very murky very quickly...

Straw man, just like looking into the Sun while on LSD. Can you name any heavy machinery accidents caused by marijuana? As for waiting for the government to allow Americans to do what we want, you'll be waiting forever. Here in Washington State, we voted for marijuana. Then, many cities put up legal roadblocks against the people's will. Your false assumption is that we live in a democracy, in which we can vote on issues and get results.

I believe the point he was trying to make, and to me it seems like a valid point - is that there is a valid way to change the law and until it is done - it is not up to one's interpretation of what law is right or what law is wrong as far as behavior is concerned.

If only the valid method worked. 45 years after the Baby Boom generation expected drugs (and freedom) to be legalized within 5 years, nothing has changed, except for Republican haters greatly increasing prison terms and reclassifying almost all misdemeanors into felonies.

I do not know, but I would assume he does. If he is caught and punished - and complains about it as unfair - it would be hypocrisy. No one argues that. The argument is that as long as these laws are laws - "paying" if caught breaking them is something to be expected - and there is a way to remove these outdated / absurd laws from existence.

The "ways" haven't changed anything. The hypocrisy is on your part, not ours.

I can't think of any I have known who went to jail.

Think of millions arrested over the decades. Think of a hundred million living in fear of speaking up in a police state.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Jlprk, I'm all for doing what you believe is right. However, until a law you don't agree with is changed, fucking obey it.

 

[jlprk]

Let's say you live in Nazi Germany and the law requires you to turn in Jews. Or say, some law requires all Texas Christians with adopted children to kill their children. You say, "The law is the law. If most adults have broken this law, go change it." But anyone who talks openly about drugs as I'm doing invites a tapped phone, an infected computer, etc. Some laws are impossible to change.

 

[MarAzul]

Think of a hundred million living in fear of speaking up in a police state.

 

[riverman]

Jlprk, I'm all for doing what you believe is right. However, until a law you don't agree with is changed, fucking obey it.

so no cunnilingus action will be allowed

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Jlprk, I'm all for doing what you believe is right. However, until a law you don't agree with is changed, fucking obey it.

Or just don't get caught.....

 

[andalusian]

The "ways" haven't changed anything. The hypocrisy is on your part, not ours.

If the ways haven'y changed anything slavery would still be a thing, women would not be allowed to vote, gay marriage would not be a thing and tons of other things would not have happened. You are factually wrong.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Let's say you live in Nazi Germany and the law requires you to turn in Jews. Or say, some law requires all Texas Christians with adopted children to kill their children. You say, "The law is the law. If most adults have broken this law, go change it." But anyone who talks openly about drugs as I'm doing invites a tapped phone, an infected computer, etc. Some laws are impossible to change.

Again, if you don't agree with the law, don't obey it, and try to get it changed. However, if you break the law and get caught, then that's on you.

Now let's get back to you comparing possessing weed with turning in Jews and keeping children homeless.

I think marijuana and prostitution should be legal, so we can tax the shit out of it and make it safer for the people involved. It's not though, so either don't do it, or don't bitch when you get arrested.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Jlprk, I'm all for doing what you believe is right. However, until a law you don't agree with is changed, fucking obey it.

So when a law says your allowed to only bathe once a day, but you stink after 3 hours of basketball and you showered before hand. Are you waiting until the next day to shower?

Sorry, but its not black and white. Its grey and laws get broken on a daily basis in every state and many laws that are absurd, cops will look the other way on as well.

In most states its illegal to spit in public, but if your choking on something or have something disgusting in your mouth like a bug that flew in it walking down the sidewalk, are you not gonna spit it out?


This black is black and white is white thing about laws is a bunch of crap.

There are also moral laws that the government has a conflict in trying to legislate. Is it up to God or the State?

There are also laws that have changed from legal to illegal back to legal again all based on the representatives in office. How much of a joke is that and who is right?

Who was right during the prohibition?


You don't just obey any law because its a law. There must be some common sense involved and often common sense doesn't come from the masses. It comes from the individuals. That's why when people gather its a cluster fuck of anarchy more often than not when protesting something.