Francis Deal Dead

[dtpxcore]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">New York Times - According to the New York Times, the three way deal involving Orlando, Denver and New York is dead.

The teams discussed sending Orlando's Steve Francis to Denver, with two Nuggets players, point guard Earl Watson and forward Bryon Russell, going to the Knicks.

The Knicks would have sent Trevor Ariza to Denver and would have probably dealt Crawford to Orlando. The Nuggets would have shipped Nen? and Voshon Lenard to the Magic. </div>

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[NYCfinest123]

what on earth was isiah thinking, sending jamal to the magics and we got watson and russel???? WTF???? WHAT IN HIS RIGHT MIND.... i would have to officially slap isiah thomas if it went through, i lost my respect for him

 

[02civic]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NYCfinest123:</div><div class="quote_post">what on earth was isiah thinking, sending jamal to the magics and we got watson and russel???? WTF???? WHAT IN HIS RIGHT MIND.... i would have to officially slap isiah thomas if it went through, i lost my respect for him</div>


You do realize Crawford sucks right? He has no defence and he's a selfish offensive player. He does not fit with Larry Browns system. Earl Watson probably would. Plus on the up side you get a more managable contract back.

<strike>come on...learn to think</strike>
<font color="red">Please refrain from making comments such as that.

- MrJ</font>

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">You do realize Crawford sucks right? He has no defence and he's a selfish offensive player. He does not fit with Larry Browns system. Earl Watson probably would. Plus on the up side you get a more managable contract back.</div>
Crawford doesn't suck. While I don't like his contract, Crawford is not a bad player. Is he an all-star? Will he ever be? Probably not, but he's still a decent player. He's been the "most improved Knick" according to Larry Brown. His shot selection has improved by leaps and bounds, and contrary to the popular beleif, Crawford is not selfish and egotistical as many label him as. He doesn't have a high basketball IQ, but he's not selfish by any stretch.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

This is terrible news. It looks like it would have been a great deal for the Knicks. We would have finally gotten a back up point guard and a true small forward(no more Rose playing small forward)for Crawford who's value is diminishing and Ariza who isnt playing. I guess the Knicks cant get a break this season.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[superman32]

^Jalen Rose isnt a true anything, he just fits best at SF and SG

 

[Beat]

He was talking about Malik Rose

 

[02civic]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Crawford doesn't suck. While I don't like his contract, Crawford is not a bad player. Is he an all-star? Will he ever be? Probably not, but he's still a decent player. He's been the "most improved Knick" according to Larry Brown. His shot selection has improved by leaps and bounds, and contrary to the popular beleif, Crawford is not selfish and egotistical as many label him as. He doesn't have a high basketball IQ, but he's not selfish by any stretch.</div>


He's a dime a dozen basically. A SG in a PG's body with a shoot first and second pass third mentality(STILL), shoots low averages and doesnt do much on the floor other than offense. Is he the most improved Knick? maybe but thats like saying who's the biggest star on the Arkansas Rimrockers. Last time i checked players of his calibre werent exactly a hot comodity.

Anyways, whatever deal goes through (i'm guessing none) for the Knicks, its gotta be better then what they have now. Frye has talent and Lee has heart...other than that its a bunch of overpaid, underacheivers who for some reason havent gotten the memo that they cant win/succeed by playing the style they try to play. (and i dont mean the offense/defence LB has put in, but rather their selfishness and heart or lack their off)


PS - who's tired of NYK trade rumous. There was Wally, Francis, Rose(came true), Watson, Ratliff, and now Martin.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">He's a dime a dozen basically. A SG in a PG's body with a shoot first and second pass third mentality(STILL), shoots low averages and doesnt do much on the floor other than offense. Is he the most improved Knick? maybe but thats like saying who's the biggest star on the Arkansas Rimrockers. Last time i checked players of his calibre werent exactly a hot comodity.</div>
Crawford doesn’t have the ability to play point guard fulltime, but I think you’re underrating his ability. His averages are low because of a slump he’s been going through, not because of the quality of shots he takes. In fact, before his slump he was shooting something around 43% from the field and 41% from downtown. What does it matter if Crawford isn’t exactly a hot commodity? Obviously Orlando was after him, so he does have some value. NYC Finest just feels Crawford would be more valuable to the Knicks than Earl Watson would and he has the right to his opinion.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyways, whatever deal goes through (i'm guessing none) for the Knicks, its gotta be better then what they have now. Frye has talent and Lee has heart...</div>
Nate doesn’t have heart?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">other than that its a bunch of overpaid, underacheivers who for some reason havent gotten the memo that they cant win/succeed by playing the style they try to play. (and i dont mean the offense/defence LB has put in, but rather their selfishness and heart or lack their off)</div>
We know the Knicks are overpaid. You’re preaching to the choir here, but have you ever thought the reason they were underachieving was due to Larry Brown, who, on many occasions, has admitted needing to doing a better job?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">PS - who's tired of NYK trade rumous. There was Wally, Francis, Rose(came true), Watson, Ratliff, and now Martin.</div>
If you’re not used to Knick rumors by now, you probably won’t ever be. The fact of the matter is New York is a big market and will dominate the trade rumors.

 

[02civic]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Crawford doesn?t have the ability to play point guard fulltime, but I think you?re underrating his ability. His averages are low because of a slump he?s been going through, not because of the quality of shots he takes. In fact, before his slump he was shooting something around 43% from the field and 41% from downtown. What does it matter if Crawford isn?t exactly a hot commodity? Obviously Orlando was after him, so he does have some value. NYC Finest just feels Crawford would be more valuable to the Knicks than Earl Watson would and he has the right to his opinion.


Nate doesn?t have heart?


We know the Knicks are overpaid. You?re preaching to the choir here, but have you ever thought the reason they were underachieving was due to Larry Brown, who, on many occasions, has admitted needing to doing a better job?


If you?re not used to Knick rumors by now, you probably won?t ever be. The fact of the matter is New York is a big market and will dominate the trade rumors.</div>


I find it hard to believe that the Knicks current situation is the fault of such an experienced and highly successful coach. If anything he's a career overachiever.

Its easier to believe they're underachieving due to the fact that they have a roster full of career underachievers. Not one of them (non rookie) has lived up to what was expected of them this year, or years past. Maybe Larry is having difficulty with them, but then again who wouldnt. A team full of 1 dimensional players and no real chemistry becuase they're all looking out for themselves only.

BTW - you said "obviously Orlando was interested in him" about Crawford..but you have nothing but rumours to back that up. I have a hard time believing anyone would swallow Crawfords contract AND trade a useful peice for him. I could possibly see them getting an older expiring contract if the situation was right, or possibly a few medium to low quality picks(late 1st few 2nd ). But an undersized SG with virtually no game outside of scoring, and even do that he needs to dominate the ball, isnt gunna get a ton of interest in my opinion.
Its just annoying hearing about 4.5 NYK trade rumours per day, most of them involving big name players from other teams, despite the fact the Knicks have far far far less to bargain with then the 29 other teams in the league.

Actually i challenge you to argue that point.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">I find it hard to believe that the Knicks current situation is the fault of such an experienced and highly successful coach. If anything he's a career overachiever.</div>
Larry Brown on numerous occasions has admitted he needed to do a better job coaching. You can look at the press conferences if you want to. Brown is a career overachiever, but his first year with teams usually involves struggles and him tinkering to find the proper mix of players. When you have around 30 different starting lineups in 47 games, players will play inconsistently, more so the younger ones. It?s hard to adjust to playing 30+ minutes one game, than not playing the next game then playing 20 minutes the next etc. That?s what was going on, especially in the beginning of the season. How can you build proper chemistry when players play inconsistent minutes with each other?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Its easier to believe they're underachieving due to the fact that they have a roster full of career underachievers. Not one of them (non rookie) has lived up to what was expected of them this year, or years past. Maybe Larry is having difficulty with them, but then again who wouldnt. A team full of 1 dimensional players and no real chemistry becuase they're all looking out for themselves only.</div>
That?s up for debate. I don?t think Marbury, Crawford, Richardson, both Roses are career underachievers. Guys like Jerome James and Maurice Taylor can be considered underachievers, but Taylor has played well this season. Brown is a tough coach to play for and it takes more than half a season to adjust to his ways. How can you accuse the players of not having any chemistry because of them looking for themselves? That?s simply untrue. You don?t think a team can struggle having 30 different starting lineups and playing inconsistent minutes?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW - you said "obviously Orlando was interested in him" about Crawford..but you have nothing but rumours to back that up. I have a hard time believing anyone would swallow Crawfords contract AND trade a useful peice for him. I could possibly see them getting an older expiring contract if the situation was right, or possibly a few medium to low quality picks(late 1st few 2nd ). But an undersized SG with virtually no game outside of scoring, and even do that he needs to dominate the ball, isnt gunna get a ton of interest in my opinion.</div>
If I?m not mistaken the deal was about to go down, but I believe someone backed out because they were unwilling to take on Nene. What else can I use, but rumors to back me up? If Orlando was willing to take on Crawford, with no game outside scoring to go along with an awful contract, there had to be some interest in him, right?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Its just annoying hearing about 4.5 NYK trade rumours per day, most of them involving big name players from other teams, despite the fact the Knicks have far far far less to bargain with then the 29 other teams in the league.</div>
As I said before, this is New York. It?s a big market and will be in trade rumors just like L.A. and Chicago. It might be annoying, but it?s not going to stop and won?t ever stop, so prepared to get annoyed for the rest of your life, I guess.