OT Free Agency Round The League (3 Viewers)

[Sarni]

That’s expensive for Exum. Utah seem invested in their current team.

 

[dviss1]

Such a stupid response. If you were in Denvers shoes would you help a division rival get better or send the player east?

If said team didn't require draft considerations maybe?

 

[A$AP Meyers]

Rookie ass post...

Not at all.

 

[BonesJones]

Not at all.

Very much so

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Here is a decent free agency tracker:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...-forces-with-warriors-tyreke-evans-to-pacers/

Not that I think it is going to happen but man it would be nice to somehow get Jabari Parker (no idea how, realistically. Doesn't S&T cap us?).

Could we get Wayne Ellington for the rest of our MLE? Not that we need more SG-types.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

Very much so

Ball is a 98th percentile defender and has an unbelievable basketball IQ, and Ingram/Kuzma have ridiculous upside. Throw in a 1st round pick or two and you have two guys who fit Simons & Collins timeline and more assets for the post-GSW dynasty.

Unless you’d rather continue being in NBA purgatory and squeezing out 45 wins a year.

Tell me where I was wrong? I'd love to hear it.

 

[riverman]

Is Capela still available?

 

[A$AP Meyers]

You guys are so in love with Dame it's unbelievable. CJ too, really. Portland's best option right now is to let one of them go to a win-now team in exchange for draft picks and young talent who fit Simons + Collins timeline.

There's literally no reason to run it back with the same core; Golden State and Boston are about to run the league for the next several years. The only downside is fan interest and if it means less butts in seats I'm all for it. Allen and Olshey don't deserve the Moda Crowd after spitting out such mediocrity year after year. Maybe some changes would finally actually happen.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Tell me where I was wrong? I'd love to hear it.

Not sure where you got the 98th percentile defender part, so I won't challenge it, But it doesn't match what I saw.

I think Kuzma's upside is actually rather limited.

Dame's value to the franchise goes far beyond his on-court contributions.

Those are my initial reactions

 

[RR7]

 

[PtldPlatypus]

There's literally no reason to run it back with the same core;

Sure there is: because I like rooting for these guys and having them represent my city.

 

[Haakzilla]

Here is a decent free agency tracker:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...-forces-with-warriors-tyreke-evans-to-pacers/

...I like the ESPN one better because it is in chronological order and provides many more useful links --> http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23772604/nba-rumors-free-agency-trade-buzz-rumblings-reports

 

[A$AP Meyers]

Not sure where you got the 98th percentile defender part, so I won't challenge it, But it doesn't match what I saw.

I think Kuzma's upside is actually rather limited.

Dame's value to the franchise goes far beyond his on-court contributions.

Those are my initial reactions

Nylon Calculus has him as a 98th percentile defender and his Defensive RPM was 3rd among point guards this season at 2.31.

The analytics suggest he's well on his way to being an elite defender, if he isn't already. Not to mention he's already an elite rebounder relative to the rest of the leagues point guards.

People just love to hate on him because he went through a really bad cold stretch shooting last season, and his dad has a big mouth. He is going to be an excellent player.

 

[dviss1]

Tell me where I was wrong? I'd love to hear it.

If you don't know what's wrong with your trade proposal, There's nothing I can do for you.

You just advocated trading Dame for a package that includes Lavar Ball coming to my town....



Rookie

 

[A$AP Meyers]

Not even worth arguing at this point. Portland fans love to fall in love with players. Same as the front office. Falling in love with players is what got us in the mess we are in now. I've made valid points and no one has had any sort of legitimate counter to my suggestions other than a players' father and liking guys representing their city. Sigh.

 

[BonesJones]

Not even worth arguing at this point. Portland fans love to fall in love with players. Same as the front office. Falling in love with players is what got us in the mess we are in now. I've made valid points and no one has had any sort of legitimate counter to my suggestions other than a players' father and liking guys representing their city. Sigh.

Or nobody wants to waste time beating their head against a brick wall.

 

[Hobbesarable]

If you don't know what's wrong with your trade proposal, There's nothing I can do for you.

You just advocated trading Dame for a package that includes Lavar Ball coming to my town....



Rookie

And a player who couldn't hit the ocean with a basketball.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

Or nobody wants to waste time beating their head against a brick wall.

So basically what you're saying is you're incapable of having a legitimate discussion? alrighty man.

 

[BonesJones]

So basically what you're saying is you're incapable of having a legitimate discussion? alrighty man.

Incapable of having a legitimate discussion with you, not because of me...

 

[dviss1]

Not even worth arguing at this point. Portland fans love to fall in love with players. Same as the front office. Falling in love with players is what got us in the mess we are in now. I've made valid points and no one has had any sort of legitimate counter to my suggestions other than a players' father and liking guys representing their city. Sigh.

Us?

 

[noknobs]

Not even worth arguing at this point. Portland fans love to fall in love with players. Same as the front office. Falling in love with players is what got us in the mess we are in now. I've made valid points and no one has had any sort of legitimate counter to my suggestions other than a players' father and liking guys representing their city. Sigh.

The mess we're in now is mostly due to a few bad contracts to Meyers and Turner, and still paying a few guys like Ezili. Are you saying fans made that happen because of our fervent love of Meyers and of Turner who hadn't even been on our team yet?

But yeah I like Dame representing our team, we're very lucky to have him.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

Us?

I'm a Portland fan. I'm not from Portland, though. It's not my city.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

The mess we're in now is mostly due to a few bad contracts to Meyers and Turner, and still paying a few guys like Ezili. Are you saying fans made that happen because of our fervent love of Meyers and of Turner who hadn't even been on our team yet?

But yeah I like Dame representing our team, we're very lucky to have him.

The signings of both of those guys were a direct response to the illusion of both the fanbase and front office that Portland could contend with a Dame/CJ duo

We beat the Clippers and looked like we could maybe be something special against Golden State. The last 3 games of that series were very competitive. The Turner signing had everything to do with that series. A guy who we could run the offense through to take pressure off CJ and Dame, and a guy each could play with off the ball, decreasing the workload.

Meyers was all about hoping one day he could become the stretch 5 that's so coveted in today's NBA. Spreading the floor for our backcourt that demands attention.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I was listening to Laker talk today and they are counting on using Luol Deng's expiring contract..... next summer. Hell we have better expiring options then that.

 

[BBert]

You guys are so in love with Dame it's unbelievable. CJ too, really. Portland's best option right now is to let one of them go to a win-now team in exchange for draft picks and young talent who fit Simons + Collins timeline.

There's literally no reason to run it back with the same core; Golden State and Boston are about to run the league for the next several years. The only downside is fan interest and if it means less butts in seats I'm all for it. Allen and Olshey don't deserve the Moda Crowd after spitting out such mediocrity year after year. Maybe some changes would finally actually happen.

Oh, it's believable!

Dame ain't goin nowhere!

CJ....I'm open for business.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

Oh, it's believable!

Dame ain't goin nowhere!

CJ....I'm open for business.

I lean the exact same way. I just feel with Dame we'd get a bigger return. But there's no doubt I would much prefer Dame is a Blazer for life.

 

[CupWizier]

For the short term obviously. In that hypothetical deal we’d be much better off long term

and for the long term we could be much worse. Draft choices don't always work out and to try and get a player to replace Lillard would be extremely lucky as well as hard.

Also, where is your proof that Ball is a "98%" defensive player (not even sure what that means). If you are referring to him being at the top 2% then that is seriously flawed. There are 450 players in the league and to be top 2% that would make him a top 9 defensive player. He's not even close.

 

[A$AP Meyers]

and for the long term we could be much worse. Draft choices don't always work out and to try and get a player to replace Lillard would be extremely lucky as well as hard.

Also, where is your proof that Ball is a "98%" defensive player (not even sure what that means). If you are referring to him being at the top 2% then that is seriously flawed. There are 450 players in the league and to be top 2% that would make him a top 9 defensive player. He's not even close.

Among point guards.

You should get more into analytics. They'd tell you Dame and CJ will never work. They'd also make what I'm saying more believable, seeing as how they're, well, facts.

 

[noknobs]

The signings of both of those guys were a direct response to the illusion of both the fanbase and front office that Portland could contend with a Dame/CJ duo

Dame and CJ are guys you can build around, but the contracts were overblown that year due to the market which is haunting us now, we struck out on other targets, it was the last time we were going to have significant money to spend in free agency for awhile so it was use it or lose it. Unfortunately those players haven't lived up to their contracts at all, but either way the fan base didn't sign them.

 

[tester551]

Dame and CJ are guys you can build around, but the contracts were overblown that year due to the market which is haunting us now, we struck out on other targets, it was the last time we were going to have significant money to spend in free agency for awhile so it was use it or lose it. Unfortunately those players haven't lived up to their contracts at all, but either way the fan base didn't sign them.

That is a tired, false excuse. They could've easily rolled the cap space over one more year by delaying the CJ extension.