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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Philosophy 101……..with a little Jesuit twist thrown in……you have faith that I am wrong. You have faith you are correct. You have faith that you don’t have to have a faith based position. Our entire lives are based on faith, whether we like it or not. I assume you have faith you’re going to wake up tomorrow morning, faith that you’ll actually receive that paycheck, faith that your car will start when you go home tonight. Life IS a faith based proposition……..and religion has nothing to do with it……
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I suppose we could argue about the definition of the word 'faith', but not right now.

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ABM said:
I don't have a right to vote for those who may have those same views?
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You have the legal right. But you're still wrong to try to force your beliefs on others.

A person can legally ruin your life if they have the means. But that doesn't make it right to do so.
 
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Tyrant of Ants said:
If you tell me you can kick my ass in a fight, I'm not being faithless by calling your bullshit. It's just me playing the odds that your soft looking dad bod would be easy work for me. :bgrin:
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I once ran into a guy who said he could cut my balls off with his mean looking pocket knife. Why he said that I'll never know but I responded by telling him that maybe he could but he would have the fight of his life. I ain't gonna make it easy on anyone.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
You would, great. Not even put forth an effort to overturn such an absurd law? Won’t fight for the right to call your woman your lawfully wedded wife? She might be disappointed to hear that…

And what would you think of people that go out of their way to prevent you from being “happily married in Music City, USA”? Wouldn’t they be… pricks, at the very least?
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I never said what I'd do prior to that law being enacted. I simply said I'd abide by it if it were. There's nothing that says I wouldn't leave the country, though. The Azores are always an option. :)
 
Lanny said:
Legally, yes, morally, no.
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Look, I believe it's immoral to kill babies in the womb. I also believe that same-sex marriages are not marriages at all. And, I have the right to believe that. Period.
 
ABM said:
If that were the laws of the land, I'd go with that.
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Just because something is a “law” doesn’t automatically make it “right” or “moral”. It just means enough people got together to impose their will on other people. For the past twenty or so years, the minority has been imposing it’s will on the majority of Americans. Which means the laws they pass are not a product of a democracy. Or a republic for that matter. Which, at least to my mind makes them irrelevant. But you keep doing the sheeple thing if that’s what keeps you fat, dumb and sedated……..
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Your stance on abortion and gay marriage is based of your religious beliefs, is it not?
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Correct. And I'll always stand by those....and have every right to do so.

As an aside question, do you believe being gay can be a choice vs. "I was born that way." I believe it can be.

My sister lived in a gay relationship for thirteen years and raised two children with her partner. She's now not gay, and actually councils people against it. Question is, upon that breakup, why didn't she simply find another partner? Moreover, why is she speaking out against it today?
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
Not me, personally. But you certainly seem to want others to do/not do what you believe to be the wishes of your God.
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I do? I call it stating my beliefs when asked.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
I’m sure he would’ve had a hard time finding your balls with your massive dick in his face, right? :bgrin:

I’ve had on different occasions a gun pulled on me and a dude tried to gut me with a knife. I’ve learned long ago that it isn’t your ability to throw punches/kicks that will get you out of such situations (in fact, it’s more likely to lead you to one), it’s your mouth that’s often your best defensive weapon. But having a Glock with you is nice, too.
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I prefer Smith & Wesson to each their own.
 
ABM said:
Look, I believe it's immoral to kill babies in the womb. I also believe that same-sex marriages are not marriages at all. And, I have the right to believe that. Period.
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It's fine for you to believe that, and to never engage in those activities.

It is also immoral for you to force that belief on others by way of assisting in the implementation of law.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's fine for you to believe that, and to never engage in those activities.

It is also immoral for you to force that belief on others by way of assisting in the implementation of law.
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As TOA related, I'll agree to disagree.
 
ABM said:
As TOA related, I'll agree to disagree.
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So just to clarify, you believe that you should be able to push your beliefs off on others, as long as enough people agree with you?

Or do you believe that morals should be dictated by law? Should coveting thy neighbor be a prosecutable offense?
 
Phatguysrule said:
So just to clarify, you believe that you should be able to push your beliefs off on others, as long as enough people agree with you?

Or do you believe that morals should be dictated by law? Should coveting thy neighbor be a prosecutable offense?
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I believe abortion is murder, so any law enacted (that is, voted in) to protect that fetus has my vote.
 
ABM said:
I believe abortion is murder, so any law enacted (that is, voted in) to protect that fetus has my vote.
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Interesting. Like a law which forces pregnant women to eat well? Prevents them from smoking or doing other dangerous activities? Maybe a law which forces pregnant women to vaccinate? How about a law which forces pregnant women to avoid plastic (specifically phthalates)?

These laws would also protect that fetus. Do they have your vote as well?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Interesting. Like a law which forces pregnant women to eat well? Prevents them from smoking or doing other dangerous activities? Maybe a law which forces pregnant women to vaccinate? How about a law which forces pregnant women to avoid plastic (specifically phthalates)?

These laws would also protect that fetus. Do they have your vote as well?
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Do you believe those activities directly lead to the death of fetus's - 100% of the time?
 
ABM said:
Do you believe those activities directly lead to the death of fetus's - 100% of the time?
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No.
Is it a percentage thing then? At what percent certainty does a woman lose her rights in favor of the rights of tissue which no other person has ever interacted with?

So a woman should be able to smoke or drink her pregnancy to termination legally? And if not, how should this be enforced?

Do you realize people can buy the abortion pill online from other countries? This leads to very close to 100% pregnancy termination. And this is how most abortions in states with strict abortion laws will be done (other than leaving the state for the procedure).

Would you support a law inspecting every piece of mail to protect these pregnancies?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Right. So inspect all of the mail then? We have to prevent those pregnancies from ending, right?
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If you want to take it to the nth degree, then you roll with that.
 
ABM said:
If you want to take it to the nth degree, then you roll with that.
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I don't, though. I want to let a woman decide if she is going to bring a new baby into this world. I'm not supporting laws trying to force her to make one decision or other.

If you're not, then what's the point? Making laws to make abortion clinics less available doesn't reduce the number of abortions. It just makes them less safe.

Without stopping the pills from being delivered you aren't going to protect any pregnancy. And even then, Women will just use more dangerous techniques.

So what exactly are you hoping to gain? Just to punish women for making their own choice? How is that moral?

Why do you get to vote on what she does with her body. How does her getting an abortion negatively impact society?

In fact, we know history shows that forcing people to give birth who don't want to leads to increased crime rates...
 
@ABM

1. Your sister councils people to be or do what exactly? Not to be gay? Not to get married if you are gay? What an absolute hateful thing to spend one's time on.

2. Instead of terminating a pregnancy would you be fine if the fetus was removed and frozen to be implanted in a person or couple who wants a kid? So life isn't terminated, just paused until later.

3. Are you pro-life or just anti-"murder"? Seems like a pro-life person would seriously look into adoption. You seriously have no skin in this game. Maybe you should get some.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
@ABM
2. Instead of terminating a pregnancy would you be fine if the fetus was removed and frozen to be implanted in a person or couple who wants a kid? So life isn't terminated, just paused until later.
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Can we actually do this?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Can we actually do this?
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We can freeze embryos.

An embryo isn't considered a fetus until the 11th week of pregnancy.

So just giving women that option could be helpful and not considered an abortion.
 
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