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Phatguysrule said:
I don't, though. I want to let a woman decide if she is going to bring a new baby into this world. I'm not supporting laws trying to force her to make one decision or other.
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There are other available options/resources out there, as opposed to simply making laws. I really choose to pay more attention to those.

As just one example:

https://www.nrlc.org/help/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We can freeze embryos.

An embryo isn't considered a fetus until the 11th week of pregnancy.

So just giving women that option could be helpful and not considered an abortion.
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Wow. This does seem like a good option. And heck, that should be free for women across the board. The recipient should pay for it.

*Edit* I guess I knew this kind of... but assumed it wasn't viable for some reason.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
I don't see other options there. Just a bunch of manipulative information. Seems like it would be torture to a young woman in a tough situation.
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I disagree and many, many other young women/women would disagree, as well.

Anyway, yet again, we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
ABM said:
I disagree and many, many other young women/women would disagree, as well.

Anyway, yet again, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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For sure, we do disagree.
I would hope those women in a delicate situation each would be warned before being shown that page. And certainly not forced to read it.
 
Phatguysrule said:
For sure, we do disagree.
I would hope those women in a delicate situation each would be warned before being shown that page. And certainly not forced to read it.
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Abortion is SO much easier. No known side effects, either.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Wow. This does seem like a good option. And heck, that should be free for women across the board. The recipient should pay for it.

*Edit* I guess I knew this kind of... but assumed it wasn't viable for some reason.
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Leave it to @SlyPokerDog to bring options we may ALL agree on. Moderation at its finest!!
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
I don’t think it’s either. Seems to me @ABM is still pissed that the women in his life refused to have his baby. As always with a lot of religious people, God is a convenient excuse to justify being angry and hateful.

I’ll say it again: if you got a woman (let alone 3!) pregnant and she doesn’t want to have your baby, you’re just not father material. All in God’s plan!
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Wow, a lot there. All wrong.
 

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Tyrant of Ants said:
It wouldn’t be easy for you to find a person who values loyalty as much as I do. Though it isn’t easily earned, those that have earned my trust and loyalty have absolute faith in me to always have their backs.

But we already have another dick measuring contest thread, so I won’t derail this thread any further.
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Fact is, this is a message board. Nuf said.

But, hey, I don't really doubt that you're a loyalty guy. Tyrants generally are. :)
 
ABM said:
Look, I believe it's immoral to kill babies in the womb. I also believe that same-sex marriages are not marriages at all. And, I have the right to believe that. Period.
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I can partially understand your concern about abortion but your view on same sex marriage makes no sense to me whatsoever.
 
Lanny said:
I can partially understand your concern about abortion but your view on same sex marriage makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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That's OK. We can always agree to disagree.
 
An interesting read to say the least...

https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com...Q.dNmKBlm-fs56m84stzw3LA-fsKbKTboTL4FpI1e9W_c

A Whiff of Civil War in the Air
Malice and misinformation are driving national division.

On Thursday the University of Virginia released polling results that should shock exactly no one who closely follows American politics and culture. A majority of Trump voters (52 percent) and a strong minority of Biden voters (41 percent) strongly or somewhat agree that it’s “time to split the country.”

Why would they even contemplate taking such a drastic step? Well, the poll provides the answers, and they’re not surprising. Competing partisans loathe each other and view the opposition as an existential threat. This also isn’t new. It’s been tracked in poll after poll for year after year. This one found that a “strong majority” of Trump supporters falsely believe there is no real difference between Democrats and socialists. A majority of Biden voters falsely see no real difference between Republicans and fascists.

What this poll tracked better than many others is that the mutual loathing is based more on emotion than policy. In fact, the poll found that majorities of Trump voters expressed support for most elements of the Biden infrastructure and reconciliation plan. Even the least popular plank (supporting unions by banning state “right to work” laws) garnered 42 percent support from those who voted for Trump.

Yet broad consensus on the most important legislation now pending in Washington didn’t stop 80 percent of Biden voters and 84 percent of Trump voters from viewing the opposing party as a “clear and present threat to American democracy.”

We’ve seen it time and again. The combination of malice and misinformation is driving American polarization to a fever pitch. While there are real differences between the political parties, a fundamental reality of American politics is that voters hate or fear the opposing side in part because they have mistaken beliefs about their opponents. They think the divide is greater than it is......(CONTINUED)......
 
ABM said:
An interesting read to say the least...

https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com...Q.dNmKBlm-fs56m84stzw3LA-fsKbKTboTL4FpI1e9W_c

A Whiff of Civil War in the Air
Malice and misinformation are driving national division.

On Thursday the University of Virginia released polling results that should shock exactly no one who closely follows American politics and culture. A majority of Trump voters (52 percent) and a strong minority of Biden voters (41 percent) strongly or somewhat agree that it’s “time to split the country.”

Why would they even contemplate taking such a drastic step? Well, the poll provides the answers, and they’re not surprising. Competing partisans loathe each other and view the opposition as an existential threat. This also isn’t new. It’s been tracked in poll after poll for year after year. This one found that a “strong majority” of Trump supporters falsely believe there is no real difference between Democrats and socialists. A majority of Biden voters falsely see no real difference between Republicans and fascists.

What this poll tracked better than many others is that the mutual loathing is based more on emotion than policy. In fact, the poll found that majorities of Trump voters expressed support for most elements of the Biden infrastructure and reconciliation plan. Even the least popular plank (supporting unions by banning state “right to work” laws) garnered 42 percent support from those who voted for Trump.

Yet broad consensus on the most important legislation now pending in Washington didn’t stop 80 percent of Biden voters and 84 percent of Trump voters from viewing the opposing party as a “clear and present threat to American democracy.”

We’ve seen it time and again. The combination of malice and misinformation is driving American polarization to a fever pitch. While there are real differences between the political parties, a fundamental reality of American politics is that voters hate or fear the opposing side in part because they have mistaken beliefs about their opponents. They think the divide is greater than it is......(CONTINUED)......
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I don't believe the accuracy of that poll.
 
I'm not Lanny, but I'd say there is a big difference between answering a poll question, and actually wanting to split the country in reality.

People talk a lot of shit, but are afraid of any actual change.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I'm not Lanny, but I'd say there is a big difference between answering a poll question, and actually wanting to split the country in reality.

People talk a lot of shit, but are afraid of any actual change.

barfo
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Like the people who say they will quit their job rather than getting vaccinated. Turns out, most people just get vaccinated once their job requires it.

Which is good.
 
barfo said:
I'm not Lanny, but I'd say there is a big difference between answering a poll question, and actually wanting to split the country in reality.

People talk a lot of shit, but are afraid of any actual change.

barfo
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I'm placing you on ignore. OK, well, maybe not.
 
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