Event Friday is Big! (NBA draft drawing)

[Boob-No-More]

What's your take on Bam?

I'd prefer Swanigan. He's a sophomore, but basically the same age as Adebayo. He's shorter and less athletic, but has a larger wingspan and comparable standing reach. What tips the scales for me is Swanigan is a MUCH better rebounder, and rebounding is a skill that seems to translate well from one level to the next. It also happens to be a skill that I value highly.

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'd prefer Swanigan. He's a sophomore, but basically the same age as Adebayo. He's shorter and less athletic, but has a larger wingspan and comparable standing reach. What tips the scales for me is Swanigan is a MUCH better rebounder, and rebounding is a skill that seems to translate well from one level to the next. It also happens to be a skill that I value highly.

BNM

Swanigan also has more offensive ability and polish. Adebayo definitely has more physical potential though. I understand why some liken him to a poor man's Dwight Howard, although I don't think his vertical is comparable.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Swanigan also has more offensive ability and polish. Adebayo definitely has more physical potential though. I understand why some liken him to a poor man's Dwight Howard, although I don't think his vertical is comparable.

Swanigan improved significantly in all aspects of his game in a larger role as a sophomore. I like to see that kind of improvement. It speaks to a good work ethic.

Of course, Adebayo could show similar improvement, but the key word is could. Swanigan is more of a known quantity. Abedgayo may have more untapped upside, but I think Swanigan is a lower risk pick who is less likely to flame out. Plus, I think he can contribute sooner.

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Swanigan improved significantly in all aspects of his game in a larger role as a sophomore. I like to see that kind of improvement. It speaks to a good work ethic.

Of course, Adebayo could show similar improvement, but the key word is could. Swanigan is more of a known quantity. Abedgayo may have more untapped upside, but I think Swanigan is a lower risk pick who is less likely to flame out. Plus, I think he can contribute sooner.

BNM

Agreed on all counts. I understand the argument for Bam, but it's not my argument at all.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Is the first Denver sent us for next season?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Is the first Denver sent us for next season?

No, they sent us Memphis's pick this year.

 

[The Professional Fan]

No, they sent us Memphis's pick this year.

Ah. Right. Thanks.

 

[Sarni]

With draft positions ir's not so clear cut that you will get a great or good player in top 7-8 but only a potential role player below 14. Giannis was taken at 15, Kings consistently picked bad players in top 10 and sometimes even top 5 - McLemore, Robinson, Stauskas to name a few. This draft looks well stacked though so I believe a few of late first round picks will make it in the league.

What worries me a bit is that Denver gave away the Memphis pick so easily. They have one of the best scouting networks around, going by their efficiency in the draft in recent years yet it seems like #20 pick had very little value to them.

 

[BonesJones]

What worries me a bit is that Denver gave away the Memphis pick so easily. They have one of the best scouting networks around, going by their efficiency in the draft in recent years yet it seems like #20 pick had very little value to them.

That was a stupid trade for Denver. I don't think their GM parted with the pick because he was told it was a deep draft.

He really wanted Plumlee, and had to add a 1st to get him. I doubt its deeper than that.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

What worries me a bit is that Denver gave away the Memphis pick so easily. They have one of the best scouting networks around, going by their efficiency in the draft in recent years yet it seems like #20 pick had very little value to them.

The scouting team doesn't make the trade decisions. The scouting team got them Nurkic but the GM traded him.

 

[Boob-No-More]

What worries me a bit is that Denver gave away the Memphis pick so easily. They have one of the best scouting networks around, going by their efficiency in the draft in recent years yet it seems like #20 pick had very little value to them.

The DEN coach and GM both said they gave away the pick because they already have a roster full of young players they are trying to develop and don't really have the room or need for two more rookies (they still have their pick at 14). So, that's why they were willing to part with the MEM pick (which was 23rd at the time of the trade).

BNM

 

[Scalma]

What worries me a bit is that Denver gave away the Memphis pick so easily. They have one of the best scouting networks around, going by their efficiency in the draft in recent years yet it seems like #20 pick had very little value to them.

This was mentioned at the time of the trade, but Denver didn't want to "cannibalize" their roster, meaning they had enough young players they were high on that already didn't see any playing time, so adding more made no sense for them. For example, Malik Beasley and Juan Hernangomez. And they didn't just give away the pick. We sent over a pretty significant amount of cash. We essentially bought the pick, not much different than when we used to buy picks in the past (i.e. Rudy Fernandez)

 

[B-Roy]

This was mentioned at the time of the trade, but Denver didn't want to "cannibalize" their roster, meaning they had enough young players they were high on that already didn't see any playing time, so adding more made no sense for them. For example, Malik Beasley and Juan Hernangomez. And they didn't just give away the pick. We sent over a pretty significant amount of cash. We essentially bought the pick, not much different than when we used to buy picks in the past (i.e. Rudy Fernandez)

The market for first round picks is worth significantly more than 3 million dollars in 2017 vs 2006.

You can hardly find good second rounders for that amount of cash anymore. We did not "buy" the pick, it was part of the value Olshey extracted out of the Plumlee for Nurkic deal.

 

[Scalma]

The market for first round picks is worth significantly more than 3 million dollars in 2017 vs 2006.

You can hardly find good second rounders for that amount of cash anymore. We did not "buy" the pick, it was part of the value Olshey extracted out of the Plumlee for Nurkic deal.

Might want to check your math on that. We also included a second rounder. So add that to the 3 million and you've basically got the worth of the 23rd pick in the draft (a little over 3.5million)

 

[B-Roy]

Might want to check your math on that. We also included a second rounder. So add that to the 3 million and you've basically got the worth of the 23rd pick in the draft (a little over 3.5million)

First rounders are worth way more than 3.5 million. Go find me the last first rounder that was traded for the equivalent of 3.5 million.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Might want to check your math on that. We also included a second rounder. So add that to the 3 million and you've basically got the worth of the 23rd pick in the draft (a little over 3.5million)

I've looked for one, but I never actually saw a report on how much cash we actually included. Are you sure it was the full 3.5M?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Might want to check your math on that. We also included a second rounder. So add that to the 3 million and you've basically got the worth of the 23rd pick in the draft (a little over 3.5million)

I don't now the exact amount we sent DEN, but it wasn't $3 million. The annual limit on cash considerations is currently $3.5 million, but we also sent out cash in the Napier and Layman trades. In Layman's case, it was $1.2 million. That was on draft day last year, so I'm not sure if it counts against our 2015-16 limit, or our 2016-17 limit (I suspect the former). I can't seem to find the amount of cash we sent to ORL for Napier, but I recall it was more than half a million. That was in July, so it definitely counts against our 2016-17 limit.

BTW, the cash limit goes up to $5.1 this summer. So, more of Paul's cheddar for Neil to throw around.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I've looked for one, but I never actually saw a report on how much cash we actually included. Are you sure it was the full 3.5M?

No, it couldn't have been. At the most it was $3.5 million minus whatever we paid ORL in the Napier trade.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

According to Zach Lowe, it was $2.85 million:



BNM

 

[Scalma]

First rounders are worth way more than 3.5 million. Go find me the last first rounder that was traded for the equivalent of 3.5 million.

You realize that first rounders don't all make the same amount of money, right?

And teams can't outright trade cash for a first round pick anymore, per the CBA.

But for example, last year golden state payed a little over $2million for Patrick McCaw.

So let's say we traded the value of a mid second rounder (2m) plus the near 3m in exchange for the Memphis pick.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You realize that first rounders don't all make the same amount of money, right?

And teams can't outright trade cash for a first round pick anymore, per the CBA.

But for example, last year golden state payed a little over $2million for Patrick McCaw.

So let's say we traded the value of a second rounder (2m) plus the near 3m in exchange for the Memphis pick.

We gave Allen Crabbe $85 million dollars, Evan Turner $70 million and Meyers Leonard $41 million that all count 100% against the salary cap and luxury tax. Why are you making such a big deal about the fact that we gave DEN $2.85 million in cash that doesn't count against either the cap or the luxury tax? Seems kind of silly to me.

In the end, we gave DEN $2.85 million to move up from a late 2nd round pick to the 19th or 2oth pick in the first round.

And, we also got Jusurf Nurkic and saved some money on his salary compared to Plumlee's both this year and next.

Are you really that concerned with Paul Allen's checking account balance?

BNM

 

[Scalma]

We gave Allen Crabbe $85 million dollars, Evan Turner $70 million and Meyers Leonard $41 million that all count 100% against the salary cap and luxury tax. Why are you making such a big deal about the fact that we gave DEN $2.85 million in cash that doesn't count against either the cap or the luxury tax? Seems kind of silly to me.

In the end, we gave DEN $2.85 million to move up from a late 2nd round pick to the 19th or 2oth pick in the first round.

And, we also got Jusurf Nurkic and saved some money on his salary compared to Plumlee's both this year and next.

Are you really that concerned with Paul Allen's checking account balance?

BNM

What the actual fuck are you talking about? My only point is that Denver didn't just hand us a first rounder, we payed for it.

 

[Boob-No-More]

What the actual fuck are you talking about? My only point is that Denver didn't just hand us a first rounder, we payed for it.

And my point is: So what?

You've been going on and on about this like it somehow matters. We all know they included cash considerations in the trade. Big deal.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

And my point is: So what?

You've been going on and on about this like it somehow matters. We all know they included cash considerations in the trade. Big deal.

BNM

How about you mind your own business? I answered a post directed at me about it. Your two cents isn't needed everywhere.

Scalma

 

[Boob-No-More]

How about you mind your own business? I answered a post directed at me about it. Your two cents isn't needed everywhere.

Sorry, I thought this was a public forum on the internet where everyone was welcome to participate. Thanks for setting me straight on that

Lighten up Francis...

BNM

 

[Scalma]

Sorry, I thought this was a public forum on the internet where everyone was welcome to participate. Thanks for setting me straight on that

Lighten up Francis...

BNM

Chiming in on things with "so what" is not participation, and I'm not interested in it.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Chiming in on things with "so what" is not participation, and I'm not interested in it.

Apparently, you are.

BNM

 

[Sarni]

The DEN coach and GM both said they gave away the pick because they already have a roster full of young players they are trying to develop and don't really have the room or need for two more rookies (they still have their pick at 14). So, that's why they were willing to part with the MEM pick (which was 23rd at the time of the trade).

BNM

This was mentioned at the time of the trade, but Denver didn't want to "cannibalize" their roster, meaning they had enough young players they were high on that already didn't see any playing time, so adding more made no sense for them. For example, Malik Beasley and Juan Hernangomez. And they didn't just give away the pick. We sent over a pretty significant amount of cash. We essentially bought the pick, not much different than when we used to buy picks in the past (i.e. Rudy Fernandez)

That actually makes sense looking at their roster. They are basically trying to develop entire backcourt: Beasley, Murray and Mudiay have only been in the league 1-2 years and Harris is also a very young player. Additionally they have Jokic, a very young player as well, leading the team and Hernangomez fighting for minutes. Fitting another young player would have been tough. If anything, they will probably hit the free agency in the Summer to go after some of the older players. With huge amount of cap space available they could offer great deals to 2-3 players comfortably. Paul Millsap has to be around the top of the list.

 

[Scalma]

So when is this happening

 

[Wizard Mentor]

So when is this happening

No word from ESPN or Blazersedge