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I can't think of a thing I own that I would kill someone to keep.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I can't think of a thing I own that I would kill someone to keep.
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Its not about wants, property or things/valuables in a current world definition. It's about needs, which become the most valuable in a situation of anarchy and lawlessness. I have one gallon of water left to survive with and three strips of dried meat. If I don't keep this and intake it to maintain energy to find more food I die. Am I going to let someone come in and raid my shit including my bare essentials? I'm sorry but if someone forcibly enters my property and demands my lifeblood essentials, they either leave or get shot, possibly killed. They made a choice to try to take survival essentials from another instead of scavage for thier own or create a dialogue of trade with others.

It's brutal, I know. Its also survival. We are so caught up in our modern world that we have no clue how fragile our system is and if it derails, one is a fool if one thinks that everyone is going to sing rhymes and share everything equally. It will be a battle of the haves and have nots and as sad as it is, the weak and defenseless ALWAYS lose.

Sly, you are one of the best people I know. I know were not tight, but you are always trying to help others and going out of your way, sacrificing your time on a regular basis for others with no ask or expectation of anything in return. People like you need to survive if the shit truly hits the fan. You would always have a refuge on my property and if you don't want to arm yourself, that's okay. I would gladly take up arms in your defense if people tried to take your survival essential's from you.

In the mean time, the lyrics to the latest song i'm working on I just wrote tonight:

I turn on the tele
lookin' to open my eyes
to what's going on outside
all I see is the great divide...
I can't believe...

My friends, my brethren
trying to tear each other down
an eye for an eye
but we've gotta unite
If we want to stop this great divide



Black or white, Dull or bright
Short or tall, Big or small
I love you all
so please don't fall
off the God damn wall

we can tear it down, we can make it right
we can hold our hands and STOP THE FIGHT
I'm telling you we need to unite
to stop the great divide....

I feel your pain, but..
we've gotta put it away

Embrace a new way
we've gotta unite...
to stop the great divide...
 
A Florida woman holding her 11 month old baby was shot and killed by her 14 year old brother. The boy was having an argument with another brother, age 15. The younger boy shot his sister after she told the boys to stop arguing because it was Christmas Eve. The older boy then shot and injured his younger brother.

Florida, where woke, children and mothers go to die!
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Really? How about protecting my self from my neighbor who's trying to steal all my stuff? In any coup there will be a timeframe of near anarchy in the streets. Even if a national coup succeeds, it would take time to get control off all of the cities. In the mean time, its a free for all. And the selfish take and horde form others. Ill take a gun to protect myself and my stuff in that situation please.
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Generally when there are times of trouble, people help each other instead of devolving into an every-man-for-himself situation. If it were as you suggest, civilization would have ended long ago.

Your chances of accidentally shooting yourself in the balls is vastly higher than your chance of ever shooting a neighbor trying to steal your stuff because civil society has collapsed.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Generally when there are times of trouble, people help each other instead of devolving into an every-man-for-himself situation. If it were as you suggest, civilization would have ended long ago.

Your chances of accidentally shooting yourself in the balls is vastly higher than your chance of ever shooting a neighbor trying to steal your stuff because civil society has collapsed.

barfo
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There are roughly 1.67 million defensive gun uses per year in the US. Over 14x the number of all gun injuries.

Virtually nobody owns guns with the intent to shoot people.
 
Phatguysrule said:
There are roughly 1.67 million defensive gun uses per year in the US. Over 14x the number of all gun injuries.
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I'm curious, what counts as a 'defensive gun use'? I guess waving it around must count, because there's no way that 1.67 million bad guys get shot at per year (especially if you exclude gangbangers shooting at each other)? Is there any attempt to exclude cases where waving a gun around wasn't actually necessary?

Virtually nobody owns guns with the intent to shoot people.
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I was responding to SharpeScooterShooter who was very much saying he wanted guns in order to shoot people. Hell, "shooter" is right there in his name :)
Are you calling him a virtual nobody?

barfo
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't own them, but obviously, my wife or daughters.

I wouldn't think twice.
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If someone presents themselves in a way that threatens the life of me or my family (or friend or hell, even random innocent person)…they might get smoked. It's just the way it is. If someone wants to be a violent person that's the territory that behavior comes with.
 
barfo said:
I'm curious, what counts as a 'defensive gun use'? I guess waving it around must count, because there's no way that 1.67 million bad guys get shot at per year (especially if you exclude gangbangers shooting at each other)? Is there any attempt to exclude cases where waving a gun around wasn't actually necessary?
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You can see the link above. It includes any time somebody felt threatened and used a gun to eliminate or alleviate the threat. It certainly could have been just waving it around.

That's a far better result than shooting and/or killing somebody isn't it?

Unfortunately police don't respond to actual crimes, so getting them to keep stats on this is not possible. It is self reported.

I was responding to SharpeScooterShooter who was very much saying he wanted guns in order to shoot people. Hell, "shooter" is right there in his name :)
Are you calling him a virtual nobody?

barfo
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I don't think he was saying he wanted to shoot anybody.
 
Settle down guys, all of us were born, raised and lived our entire lives on the planet earth. Barfo has the advantage on us, since he came from another planet. Nothing he describes resembles anything on earth, anywhere.

Which planet is Barfo from? He left some clues.

He does not need to protect any females from harm, since they wear a protective layer of bulletproof silicone and botox.

Men protect themselves with a shield like device that resembles a purse.

I have no idea which planet Barfo came from. But it appears to be the only planet in the universe with a lot of stars and everyone is good and honest. We only have one star, and a lot of evil selfish people.
 
barfo said:
Generally when there are times of trouble, people help each other instead of devolving into an every-man-for-himself situation. If it were as you suggest, civilization would have ended long ago.

Your chances of accidentally shooting yourself in the balls is vastly higher than your chance of ever shooting a neighbor trying to steal your stuff because civil society has collapsed.

barfo
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Yeah?

history says otherwise for the most part. Power outage riots?

Sure, we come together if someone else attacked us, 911. But when it’s from within and it could be your neighbor supporting the coup?

im not going to apologize for the willingness to end another’s life if they are trying to take my survival essentials, threaten to harm my family or any of the like.
I’m not shooting at someone stealing my car as he pulls out of my driveway.

Survival is a basic instinct. I’m tired of people trying to make some out as evil for being willing to choose survival over death.
When it’s me or them, I’ll chose me. And when so many of them have guns, and if/when it comes down to it, I’m going to be prepared.
Simple.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Yeah?

history says otherwise for the most part. Power outage riots?
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Not sure what power outage you are referring to. My power went out for an hour last week, I didn't go on a rampage.

Sure, we come together if someone else attacked us, 911. But when it’s from within and it could be your neighbor supporting the coup?

im not going to apologize for the willingness to end another’s life if they are trying to take my survival essentials, threaten to harm my family or any of the like.
I’m not shooting at someone stealing my car as he pulls out of my driveway.

Survival is a basic instinct. I’m tired of people trying to make some out as evil for being willing to choose survival over death.
When it’s me or them, I’ll chose me. And when so many of them have guns, and if/when it comes down to it, I’m going to be prepared.
Simple.
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Not trying to suggest any evil on your part, or asking you to apologize.

What do you think the odds are that (a) an event like that happens; (b) you see them coming; and (c) you are able to out-gun them?

I'd guess very very close to zero.

Do you prepare for every vanishingly small possibility? Do you have a bomb shelter? Do you take your own air everywhere in case there is a leak of toxic gas? Test water every time you take a drink to make sure no one has poisoned it?

Just seems weird to me to be obsessed with this one particular long-shot scenario when there are so many more likely ways to meet your maker.

I'd spend more time worrying about heart attacks, car accidents, slipping in the bathtub, etc. But maybe that's just me.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Not sure what power outage you are referring to. My power went out for an hour last week, I didn't go on a rampage.



Not trying to suggest any evil on your part, or asking you to apologize.

What do you think the odds are that (a) an event like that happens; (b) you see them coming; and (c) you are able to out-gun them?

I'd guess very very close to zero.

Do you prepare for every vanishingly small possibility? Do you have a bomb shelter? Do you take your own air everywhere in case there is a leak of toxic gas? Test water every time you take a drink to make sure no one has poisoned it?

Just seems weird to me to be obsessed with this one particular long-shot scenario when there are so many more likely ways to meet your maker.

I'd spend more time worrying about heart attacks, car accidents, slipping in the bathtub, etc. But maybe that's just me.

barfo
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How much time do you think somebody spends buying a gun? Most people spend far more time trying to prevent heart attacks than they spend on guns, even those who train with guns don't usually spend as much time with with guns as they do working out.

Buying and securing a gun and training with it really doesn't take much time at all.

The biggest obstacle is honestly cost, due largely to efforts to unfairly restrict the poor and minorities.
 
barfo said:
Not sure what power outage you are referring to. My power went out for an hour last week, I didn't go on a rampage.



Not trying to suggest any evil on your part, or asking you to apologize.

What do you think the odds are that (a) an event like that happens; (b) you see them coming; and (c) you are able to out-gun them?

I'd guess very very close to zero.

Do you prepare for every vanishingly small possibility? Do you have a bomb shelter? Do you take your own air everywhere in case there is a leak of toxic gas? Test water every time you take a drink to make sure no one has poisoned it?

Just seems weird to me to be obsessed with this one particular long-shot scenario when there are so many more likely ways to meet your maker.

I'd spend more time worrying about heart attacks, car accidents, slipping in the bathtub, etc. But maybe that's just me.

barfo
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Apples and oranges. There aren’t millions of toxic gas capsules floating around, many owned by criminals.
The only thing near zero is the percentage of similarity in what I said vs what you said.

No, the world may not end and it doesn’t need to, to have a crazy break into my home and do whatever harm to me or my loved ones.
It happens all the time. Read the news.

And yes, as phats pointed out. We spend much more time trying to prevent/ stop our own death in other ways.
What I see is tunnel vision by many who are anti gun. Fixated on the gun and not the mind behind the gun.
Everyone gets on Musk for his inventions or decisions being bad. No one is looking to ban twitter or spaceX.

If you would just focus on legislature that helps the mentally ill, getting them off the streets so they aren’t a harm to themselves or others( this includes drug addicts) there would be far less shootings and safer common spaces for all. Instead some maintain focus on an intangible solution.
There is about zero percent chance that guns will be taken from only bad people if we ban them.

no one ever answers the question when asked.
Ban all guns and only criminals have guns. Is that what you want? Only criminals with guns? because that is what will happen.
 
barfo said:
Yes, that's what I want.

barfo
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Sorry Barfo. I don’t mean to be snarky to you directly per say, but when it is often painted around here by other anti gun advocates that pro gun advocates are okay with mass shootings, etc, it’s hard not to turn and sweep all anti gun advocates in the same manner.
You have not done so that I have read, but some on here have a level of snark to any pro gun member here that they word play as if we want such evil things. Just reread this thread. It’s everywhere.

I find it a bit ironic that some of the same people who do this also do it with republicans or past trump voters.

just a blanket sweep. So forgive me if I’m tired of pointing out the nuances and details involved in the debate and have joined the lower level of communication that has been so prevalent from the other side, for so long…

I’m now of the opinion all anti gun advocates are supporters of crime and criminals. As that will be the end result of the gun banning agenda.

If others can simplify things as such, so can I. :)
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Sorry Barfo. I don’t mean to be snarky to you directly per say, but when it is often painted around here by other anti gun advocates that pro gun advocates are okay with mass shootings, etc, it’s hard not to turn and sweep all anti gun advocates in the same manner.
You have not done so that I have read, but some on here have a level of snark to any pro gun member here that they word play as if we want such evil things. Just reread this thread. It’s everywhere.

I find it a bit ironic that some of the same people who do this also do it with republicans or past trump voters.

just a blanket sweep. So forgive me if I’m tired of pointing out the nuances and details involved in the debate and have joined the lower level of communication that has been so prevalent from the other side, for so long…

I’m now of the opinion all anti gun advocates are supporters of crime and criminals. As that will be the end result of the gun banning agenda.

If others can simplify things as such, so can I. :)
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Being in favor of banning something is equivalent to supporting criminals, since by definition only criminals will do the banned thing.

If we repeal all laws, we will have a crime-free society!

Utopia.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Being in favor of banning something is equivalent to supporting criminals, since by definition only criminals will do the banned thing.

If we repeal all laws, we will have a crime-free society!

Utopia.

barfo
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Nobody (in this thread) is advocating for totally unrestricted access to firearms for all people.

However, if we were to re-focus the effort and funds that we put into further restricting guns into universal education, universal healthcare, and/or a world leading social safety net we'd reduce crime far more than any increased restriction (including gun control) possibly could.
 
barfo said:
Being in favor of banning something that is considered a right is equivalent to supporting criminals, since by definition only criminals will do the banned thing.
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FTFY
 
Phatguysrule said:
Nobody (in this thread) is advocating for totally unrestricted access to firearms for all people.
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Nobody (in this thread) said anyone (in this thread) is advocating for totally unrestricted access to firearms for all people.

However, if we were to re-focus the effort and funds that we put into further restricting guns into universal education, universal healthcare, and/or a world leading social safety net we'd reduce crime far more than any increased restriction (including gun control) possibly could.
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If we could harness and refocus the sex drive of 17 year old boys, we could probably power the entire electrical grid for free. Let's wave our "magic wands" around and make it so!

In the meantime, though, I guess we'll still need to develop and maintain other energy sources.

As we've discussed before, I don't really buy the argument that gun control advocacy is what's preventing us from having universal healthcare.

barfo
 
PtldPlatypus said:
FTFY
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Not sure that really clarifies the situation, since anything that is outlawed by definition isn't a right, and anything that isn't outlawed is a right.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Nobody (in this thread) said anyone (in this thread) is advocating for totally unrestricted access to firearms for all people.
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Excellent, then there is no need to deal in absolutes like some sort of Sith. There will always be guns.

In fact, even as gun control has been expanded more people are buying more guns.

barfo said:
If we could harness and refocus the sex drive of 17 year old boys, we could probably power the entire electrical grid for free. Let's wave our "magic wands" around and make it so!

In the meantime, though, I guess we'll still need to develop and maintain other energy sources.

As we've discussed before, I don't really buy the argument that gun control advocacy is what's preventing us from having universal healthcare.

barfo
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Gun control efforts are not specifically preventing anything, I agree. But since further gun control has proven to be largely ineffective, efforts to expand gun control are wasting political capital that could be going to other things. Things which aren't hard coded into American law.

And since there is a finite amount of political capital it seems logical to encourage law makers to eliminate waste it on laws which are ineffective and needlessly erode the rights of law abiding Americans.
 
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