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rotary111 said:
376 good guys with guns and armour wasn't enough?

What happened to " Only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun?"

I guess it's still true once the shooter is done killing kids....then they come in.
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So much for the argument that we can expect the police to help us if a criminal is breaking into the house.

Police aren't "good guys", as much as it sucks to say it. This was proven without a doubt in Uvalde. They have no responsibility, obligation, or desire to intervene if you are being attacked.

I suggest you make sure you can defend yourself and your family.
 
Phatguysrule said:
So much for the argument that we can expect the police to help us if a criminal is breaking into the house.

Police aren't "good guys", as much as it sucks to say it. This was proven without a doubt in Uvalde. They have no responsibility, obligation, or desire to intervene if you are being attacked.

I suggest you make sure you can defend yourself and your family.
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And never let them out of your sight, for instance to go to school?

barfo
 
barfo said:
And never let them out of your sight, for instance to go to school?

barfo
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I'd allow properly trained school staff to arm themselves. If the staff in Uvalde had that option there would have likely been a lot of lives saved.

If I were the parents of these kids I'd be suing the shit out of the state and federal government for forcing me to put my kids in such a dangerous situation.

Either allow the staff to defend themselves and the students or get to work making schools impenetrable.

Either way, there isn't much I can personally do about the idiotic targets we call gun free zones.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
So much for the argument that we can expect the police to help us if a criminal is breaking into the house.

Police aren't "good guys", as much as it sucks to say it. This was proven without a doubt in Uvalde. They have no responsibility, obligation, or desire to intervene if you are being attacked.

I suggest you make sure you can defend yourself and your family.
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THEY WERE TOO SCARED OF THE 18YO WITH AN AR-15!!

The texas Tribune - Police who responded to the Robb elementary shooting told investigators they were cowed by the shooter's military style rifle.
THIS drove their decision to wait for a Border patrol SWAT team to engage him,which took more than an hour.

Have you seen the Police cam video of the cops coming out of the school throwing up from seeing kids obliterated?
 
rotary111 said:
THEY WERE TOO SCARED OF THE 18YO WITH AN AR-15!!

The texas Tribune - Police who responded to the Robb elementary shooting told investigators they were cowed by the shooter's military style rifle.
THIS drove their decision to wait for a Border patrol SWAT team to engage him,which took more than an hour.

Have you seen the Police cam video of the cops coming out of the school throwing up from seeing kids obliterated?
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That's stupid. Those cops know full well that an ar-15 is no more dangerous than a hunting rifle.

It is a small caliber semi automatic rifle. Literally the same, but lighter caliber than most dear hunters use to hunt Bambi.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
That's stupid. Those cops know full well that an ar-15 is no mare dangerous than a hunting rifle.

It is a small caliber semi automatic rifle. Lighter caliber than most dear hunters use to hunt Bambi.
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They seem to disagree with you.
 
rotary111 said:
Church? Supermarkets? Nightclubs, the mall. Etc.
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Yes. Every employee should be allowed to defend themselves at their place of work if they are properly trained.

Unless their place of work can guarantee the safety of everyone in their establishment.

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I actually know of many churches who have trained members who are armed during service.

In fact, a year or two ago, one of them actually killed a would be shooter before the shooter killed anybody a year or two ago.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes. Every employee should be allowed to defend themselves at their place of work if they are properly trained.

Unless their place of work can guarantee the safety of everyone in their establishment.
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Who's training everyone? Cops?
But you said cops are bad?
 
rotary111 said:
Who's training everyone? Cops?
But you said cops are bad?
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There are actual professionals who train people in self defense for a living.

I didn't say cops were bad. I said they can't be trusted to defend us. Uvalde proves that is a fact.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Jesus. We should make some more laws prohibiting stealing cars and guns. Like, better laws. Laws so good that even criminals won't break them.
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Right. First of all, if you wanted to stop gun violence, you'd have to make guns magically disappear, not outlaw them.

Secondly, even if you could make guns disappear, you deal with the ethical question if the fact that you're removing the ability of people to defend themselves. Which is something enshrined in the constitution for a good reason.
 
beast crnjo said:
Right. First of all, if you wanted to stop gun violence, you'd have to make guns magically disappear, not outlaw them.

Secondly, even if you could make guns disappear, you deal with the ethical question if the fact that you're removing the ability of people to defend themselves. Which is something enshrined in the constitution for a good reason.
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Yeah, I don't have the green font option on my cell phone.
 
beast crnjo said:
Secondly, even if you could make guns disappear, you deal with the ethical question if the fact that you're removing the ability of people to defend themselves. Which is something enshrined in the constitution for a good reason.
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Defend themselves against what? If the guns all disappeared, you'd presumably be defending against knives, clubs, fists, and so on. Everyone would have access to those for self-defense unless they also disappeared, in which case you wouldn't need to defend against them either.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Defend themselves against what? If the guns all disappeared, you'd presumably be defending against knives, clubs, fists, and so on. Everyone would have access to those for self-defense unless they also disappeared, in which case you wouldn't need to defend against them either.

barfo
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Defend themselves against those who are bigger and stronger. Females are at a serious disadvantage for example, as are the elderly. If there's a home invasion you might want to be able to blast someone before they get within distance.

But you are right, in the sense, that if guns disappeared, people could still attack us with knives. There have been many mass kniving attacks in asian countries for example.
 
beast crnjo said:
Defend themselves against those who are bigger and stronger. Females are at a serious disadvantage for example, as are the elderly. If there's a home invasion you might want to be able to blast someone before they get within distance.
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Indeed, you might want to just blast anyone who pulls into your driveway by mistake. Lot of that sort of 'self-defense' needed, it seems.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Indeed, you might want to just blast anyone who pulls into your driveway by mistake. Lot of that sort of 'self-defense' needed, it seems.

barfo
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^

Someone needs to give this guy butter, cause he’s on a roll!
 
barfo said:
Indeed, you might want to just blast anyone who pulls into your driveway by mistake. Lot of that sort of 'self-defense' needed, it seems.

barfo
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Okay.. be rational man. I'm a big guy, but my wife is petite. If some guy came at her with a knife, Id be perfectly fine if she shot them.
The reality is guns maintain a distance that nothing else can. And there are many strong and many weak people in this world. So you would have the potential for weaker people to be completely susceptible to the strong without any distance protection whatsoever? I mean you are a pirate, so I could understand the lack of understanding of the other side, but you aren't being realistic.
My wife would lose in a knife fight. I would probably lose in a knife fight if the other is skilled with a knife. Not taking that chance. Your right to take that chance, but don't deny that right of defense for others.

The spin from protecting ones self, to just blast anyone pulling into your driveway, is about as weak of a response as I've ever seen from you. I'm sorry.

Someone pulling into your driveway by mistake is not a home invasion and that's what you responded to. Ludicrous response. You are better than that.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Okay.. be rational man. I'm a big guy, but my wife is petite. If some guy came at her with a knife, Id be perfectly fine if she shot them.
The reality is guns maintain a distance that nothing else can. And there are many strong and many weak people in this world. So you would have the potential for weaker people to be completely susceptible to the strong without any distance protection whatsoever? I mean you are a pirate, so I could understand the lack of understanding of the other side, but you aren't being realistic.
My wife would lose in a knife fight. I would probably lose in a knife fight if the other is skilled with a knife. Not taking that chance. Your right to take that chance, but don't deny that right of defense for others.
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What happened to your republican ideals that everyone should pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
If you or she feel likely to be outmatched in a knife fight, get off your ass and learn how to fight with a knife.
You wouldn't say 'well, she's probably outmatched in a gunfight, so she should get to have a grenade/rocket launcher/nuclear weapon', right?

The spin from protecting ones self, to just blast anyone pulling into your driveway, is about as weak of a response as I've ever seen from you. I'm sorry.

Someone pulling into your driveway by mistake is not a home invasion and that's what you responded to. Ludicrous response. You are better than that.
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No I'm not.

barfo
 
barfo said:
What happened to your republican ideals that everyone should pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
If you or she feel likely to be outmatched in a knife fight, get off your ass and learn how to fight with a knife.
You wouldn't say 'well, she's probably outmatched in a gunfight, so she should get to have a grenade/rocket launcher/nuclear weapon', right?



No I'm not.

barfo
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Working harder and having physical limitations are completely different.

Why don't you just grow taller is like saying just change your skin color!!!

Another completely ludicrous response.

you are not helping your outlaw gun stance with these responses. I thought you to be more rational than this.
Bye.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Working harder and having physical limitations are completely different.

Why don't you just grow taller is like saying just change your skin color!!!

Another completely ludicrous response.

you are not helping your outlaw gun stance with these responses. I thought you to be more rational than this.
Bye.
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Try to remember that this is a discussion of what would happen if someone could make guns just disappear.

In other words, you shouldn't take it so seriously.

barfo
 
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