Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

[Phatguysrule]

If you're a machinist you can do anything.

That's true, a machinist can do whatever, and $1000 pays for a lot of machine work to a rifle.

The note wasn't necessarily for you, just in case anybody reading wasn't sure.

 

[andalusian]

The more I've looked into this the more I think the 2nd Amendment covers ammunition since arms seems to generally cover "Weapons of offence, or armour of defence."

https://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/views/search.php?term=Arms and

I am brought back to the best course of action being limiting the number of people who want to commit these acts, and making it easy for people to avoid helping those people obtain dangerous items.

I am sure it does, it is just an answer to the question you had of "how do you get rid of 400 million fire-arms" - the answer to that is you control the consumable, so if you do manage to change / clarify that amendment, you can fix the problem quickly without having all these guns removed which will take some time.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I am sure it does, it is just an answer to the question you had of "how do you get rid of 400 million fire-arms" - the answer to that is you control the consumable, so if you do manage to change / clarify that amendment, you can fix the problem quickly without having all these guns removed which will take some time.

Good point, yeah. If we ever did get some kind of change to the 2nd that may be the best way to go.

 

[THE HCP]

As long as we don’t infringe in anybody’s rights, right? Can’t wait to hear people defend this one.

 

[THE HCP]

I thought doors were the issue.

 

[calvin natt]

Reason #249 to move here

 

[andalusian]

Reason #249 to move here

Yup.

Not the guns my ass.

Just to corroborate total violent crime rate.

Hawaii is #42 in the nation with a rate of 252 per 100,000, Alaska #2 with a rate of 837,

When you add the population density with and look at violent crime rate per population density, Mississippi which has a violent crime rate of 291 (higher than Hawaii), has a 1/4 of the population density of Hawaii.

Yup, the data is all there for everyone to see, yet, somehow, it is the doors and the mental health and all that other stuff.. Please, problem #1 is the easy access to death tools. The other things are worth doing, but if you do not treat the cancer, making better pain management tools is not going to solve the problem.

 

[calvin natt]

 

[RR7]

 

[jonnyboy]

Yup.

Not the guns my ass.

Just to corroborate total violent crime rate.

Hawaii is #42 in the nation with a rate of 252 per 100,000, Alaska #2 with a rate of 837,

When you add the population density with and look at violent crime rate per population density, Mississippi which has a violent crime rate of 291 (higher than Hawaii), has a 1/4 of the population density of Hawaii.

Yup, the data is all there for everyone to see, yet, somehow, it is the doors and the mental health and all that other stuff.. Please, problem #1 is the easy access to death tools. The other things are worth doing, but if you do not treat the cancer, making better pain management tools is not going to solve the problem.

Those stats include suicides, which make up the majority of those deaths, which skew the numbers greatly. If you look up gun homicides you get quite a different list. Wyoming for instance is #2 out of all the states on the list you presented. When you leave out suicides it’s drops to the very bottom.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I thought doors were the issue.

Nobody said that. You're not helping your cause by claiming they did.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How did these numbers change when comparing before and after their gun control? How many are suicides?

Seems like if we could just make the US an island seperated from 99% of the rest of the world we might be off to a great start... It would probably also help if we could get tropical weather and beaches near everyone and a general "vacation" vibe throughout the country...

I'm digging his idea...

Who the hell wants to shoot anybody in Hawaii?

 

[crandc]

All those Daughters of the Confederacy white women who stormed school board meetings, frequently without having children in public schools, demanding children be protected from critical race theory, which is not taught in grade school, and from LGB and above all trans students, screaming keep our children safe? Where are they when children are actually shot, not by critical race theory and not by married gays or trans girls?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Phatguysrule]

 

[calvin natt]

How did these numbers change when comparing before and after their gun control? How many are suicides?

Seems like if we could just make the US an island seperated from 99% of the rest of the world we might be off to a great start... It would probably also help if we could get tropical weather and beaches near everyone and a general "vacation" vibe throughout the country...

I'm digging his idea...

Who the hell wants to shoot anybody in Hawaii?

“Mental issues” don’t take a break on an island. Neither does bad education or poor healthcare.

 

[Phatguysrule]

“Mental issues” don’t take a break on an island. Neither does bad education or poor healthcare.

Hawaii is the only state that has near universal Healthcare.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8353211/

*Edit* Hawaii also has over 2 million guns for a population of 1.4 million. Which is higher than the overall rate of gun ownership in the continental US.

Hawaii was an awesome one to look at. It offers a lot of unique advantages to examine compared to other states in the US.

 

[calvin natt]

It’s hilarious (and sad and infuriating) that no matter WHAT statistic someone might bring about deadly weapons it’s still not the deadly weapons fault. So so sooooo stupid.

 

[calvin natt]

Hawaii is the only state that has near universal healthcare.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8353211/

So employers have to provide healthcare. Great. Does that mean all the shootings elsewhere are just a bunch of uninsured kids who’s parents are either jobless or homeless? These kids seem to come from working families much of the time.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So employers have to provide healthcare. Great. Does that mean all the shootings elsewhere are just a bunch of uninsured kids who’s parents are either jobless or homeless? These kids seem to come from working families much of the time.

They also have expanded Medicare and Medicaid.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It’s hilarious (and sad and infuriating) that no matter WHAT statistic someone might bring about deadly weapons it’s still not the deadly weapons fault. So so sooooo stupid.

Well, was it the knifes fault when the guy killed those people on the max train in Portland?

No, it was the guy's fault, and the system that helped him hide.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It’s hilarious (and sad and infuriating) that no matter WHAT statistic someone might bring about deadly weapons it’s still not the deadly weapons fault. So so sooooo stupid.

Hawaii also has higher gun ownership rates than the continental US.

So, some evidence that more guns doesn't necessarily = more gun death.

 

[calvin natt]

Well, was it the knifes fault when the guy killed those people on the max train in Portland?

No, it was the guy's fault, and the system that helped him hide.

Nobody thinks there will be no more deaths ever. No one thinks a stabbing or a murder in some form will stop. Now if someone builds a super duper big boy knife with 50 blades that all protrude out and extend 100 feet all within seconds then yes. It will be the knifes fault.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nobody thinks there will be no more deaths ever. No one thinks a stabbing or a murder in some form will stop. Now if someone builds a super duper big boy knife with 50 blades that all protrude out and extend 100 feet all within seconds then yes. It will be the knifes fault.

Point taken. But doesn't that seem quite extreme compared to the guns people are currently allowed to buy? Over 99% of which are never used to hurt anybody or commit any crime, and all have the same or less capabilities as hunting rifles, which are also responsible for far less than 1% of gun deaths...

If it were the guns fault wouldn't Hawaii have higher gun death rates than the rest of the US, since it has more guns per capita than the rest of the US?

 

[calvin natt]

Point taken. But doesn't that seem quite extreme compared to the guns people are currently allowed to buy? Over 99% of which are never used to hurt anybody or commit any crime, and all have the same or less capabilities as hunting rifles, which are also responsible for far less than 1% of gun deaths...

If it were the guns fault wouldn't Hawaii have higher gun death rates than the rest of the US, since it has more guns per capita than the rest of the US?

For those of us who don’t have any pie in the sky dreams about removing all guns, but instead believe in much stricter and thorough gun regulations, then Hawaii appears to be an example of what to do. I believe in EXTREMELY harsh and essentially burdensome gun regs. So you can have or buy a gun but it’s very difficult and not for just anyone. That includes gun safety, holding owners responsible for gun crimes done by someone else, training, education, limit ammo purchases, age limits wayyyyy higher, and harsh penalties for ANY gun related crime (stolen guns, etc)

 

[Fairly-Hard]

It’s hilarious (and sad and infuriating) that no matter WHAT statistic someone might bring about deadly weapons it’s still not the deadly weapons fault. So so sooooo stupid.

Yeah it was a "Well Regulated Militia" that attacked that school and killed 19 people (Mostly Children).
Of course if they want to argue that was not a "well regulated militia" then maybe they already know the difference?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yeah it was a "Well Regulated Militia" that attacked that school and killed 19 people (Mostly Children).
Of course if they want to argue that was not a "well regulated militia" then maybe they already know the difference?

I believe it is unknown how proficient they were... We'd need to know that information to know how well regulated their skills were.

Of course, improving those capabilites would come from regular practice...

I believe it's also unknown if they were a part of a specific militia or not, or if their regular or irregular use impacted said status...

 

[THE HCP]

Well, was it the knifes fault when the guy killed those people on the max train in Portland?

No, it was the guy's fault, and the system that helped him hide.

Gun people ALWAYS bring up the “knife thing”

Fucking bring it with the knives! Fucking bring ‘em! I will take my chances with a dude with a knife!

 

[THE HCP]

I wonder if the gun lovers in here will ever look at these daily mass murders and for once just go…..” Yeah, maybe if there weren’t guns in the situation things might have turned out better.”

 

[THE HCP]