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Aren’t these guys just the most adorable people ever? I for one think it’s terrific older people get to play dress up with their friends and play fun games like this.

 
Chris Craig said:
Whatever. Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to.

No kid should be shooting them
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But you just said you're cool with them shooting a hunting rifle... The standard AR is a low power hunting rifle... Some (chambered in 22) are even too low power to use for hunting anything but rabbits and targets.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But you just said you're cool with them shooting a hunting rifle... The standard AR is a low power hunting rifle... Some (chambered in 22) are even too low power to use for hunting anything but rabbits and targets.
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Hunting targets?
 
Phatguysrule said:
But you just said you're cool with them shooting a hunting rifle... The standard AR is a low power hunting rifle... Some (chambered in 22) are even too low power to use for hunting anything but rabbits and targets.
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You're arguing just to argue

Kids really shouldn't be shooting any gun, but hunting or practicing for hunting with adult supervision is an exception.

ARs are not hunting rifles now matter how much you want to argue about it.

Im saying I can see a kid hunting with a Remington or a likewise bolt action rifle under supervision.
 
Some states have illegal drugs tax stamps. If you're selling illegal drugs, didn't buy your tax stamp, and then get arrested you face additional penalties.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/why-do-states-tax-illegal-drugs

We should do this with people. If you shoot a person and didn't first buy your tax stamp you should face additional penalties.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Some states have illegal drugs tax stamps. If you're selling illegal drugs, didn't buy your tax stamp, and then get arrested you face additional penalties.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/why-do-states-tax-illegal-drugs

We should do this with people. If you shoot a person and didn't first buy your tax stamp you should face additional penalties.
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WTF?

Why would someone who has illegal drugs inform the federal government they are doing illegal drugs and pay taxes on it.

They would immediately be flagged and arrested for said drugs, though I guess with less penalties.
 
Chris Craig said:
WTF?

Why would someone who has illegal drugs inform the federal government they are doing illegal drugs and pay taxes on it.

They would immediately be flagged and arrested for said drugs, though I guess with less penalties.
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It's not the feds, it's different states.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
Yes, but isn't that more like practice? I mean it's not like you have to track them or anything. They're stationary. Not really hunting.

(BTW, I'm just fucking with you. You hunt that paper!)
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Lol, I know. I was fucking around when I said it.
 
Chris Craig said:
You're arguing just to argue

Kids really shouldn't be shooting any gun, but hunting or practicing for hunting with adult supervision is an exception.

ARs are not hunting rifles now matter how much you want to argue about it.

Im saying I can see a kid hunting with a Remington or a likewise bolt action rifle under supervision.
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I'm not arguing just to argue. The AR platform is absolutely used for hunting. It can be chambered in many different calibers.

The calibers most commonly used to kill people (even though it's used to kill people less than bludgeoning and knives) are very low powered, and not used for hunting anything larger than rodents. Typically by families. With middle schoolers and younger.

The higher powered calibers are most often used to hunt wild hogs. In fact, that's probably the most common use of the AR platform (certainly Hogs and ground squirrels combined are).

What you are doing is buying into scare tactics and supporting restrictions that you don't seem to understand.

I would encourage you to learn more about it before supporting laws to restrict it. Particularly when they have already been restricted and that restriction had no impact on crime.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
I'm not arguing just to argue. The AR platform is absolutely used for hunting. It can be chambered in many different calibers.

The calibers most commonly used to kill people (even though it's used to kill people less than bludgeoning and knives) are very low powered, and not used for hunting anything larger than rodents. Typically by families. With middle schoolers and younger.

The higher powered calibers are most often used to hunt wild hogs. In fact, that's probably the most common use of the AR platform.

What you are doing is buying into scare tactics and supporting restrictions that you don't seem to understand.

I would encourage you to learn more about it before supporting laws to restrict it. Particularly when they have already been restricted and that restriction had no impact on crime.
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I'm not buying into anything.

Im saying kids shouldn't have access to guns unless they are hunting with adult supervision.

What's so hard about to understand about that?

AR15s can be used for hunting but isn't really a hunting rifle. Anyone who needs to hunt with a semi auto can't be very good at it.
 
Chris Craig said:
I'm not buying into anything.

Im saying kids shouldn't have access to guns unless they are hunting with adult supervision.

What's so hard about to understand about that?

AR15s can be used for hunting but isn't really a hunting rifle. Anyone who needs to hunt with a semi auto can't be very good at it.
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Again though, semiautomatic is not unique to an assault rifle.

Most hunting rifles sold today are semi automatic... And much higher caliber than most AR sold today.

Most people hunting ground squirrels use semiautomatic rifles. A large qty of which are AR style rifles.

There is literally nothing unique about the AR platform other than it is easily customizable. You can make it look how you want and add many different kinds of scopes, lights, and other accessories. That's it.

If you outlawed the platform today people would simply start customizing other platforms. Literally nothing would be solved or changed.

The AR platform is no more deadly than any other rifle. This is important. Because if you can outlaw the AR then you can outlaw any hunting rifle.

The AR does does not legally meet the military definition of an assault weapon because it is already illegal to make them select-fire with burst and fully auto capability. Unless you have a very expensive permit from the ATF which allows them to show up and search your house at any time with no notice.

Much like having old people who don't understand technology make laws regulating technology is a bad idea, so is having people who don't understand guns making laws pertaining to specific firearms.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The calibers most commonly used to kill people (even though it's used to kill people less than bludgeoning and knives) are very low powered, and not used for hunting anything larger than rodents.
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So, a gun for killing rodent-sized people? Is that really a common use case?

barfo
 
Chris Craig said:
I'm not buying into anything.

Im saying kids shouldn't have access to guns unless they are hunting with adult supervision.

What's so hard about to understand about that?

AR15s can be used for hunting but isn't really a hunting rifle. Anyone who needs to hunt with a semi auto can't be very good at it.
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And yes, I absolutely agree that kids should not have access to guns without adult supervision.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Again though, semiautomatic is not unique to an assault rifle.

Most hunting rifles sold today are semi automatic... And much higher caliber than most AR sold today.

Most people hunting ground squirrels use semiautomatic rifles. A large qty of which are AR style rifles.

There is literally nothing unique about the AR platform other than it is easily customizable. You can make it look how you want and add many different kinds of scopes, lights, and other accessories. That's it.

If you outlawed the platform today people would simply start customizing other platforms. Literally nothing would be solved or changed.

The AR platform is no more deadly than any other rifle. This is important. Because if you can outlaw the AR then you can outlaw any hunting rifle.

The AR does does not legally meet the military definition of an assault weapon because it is already illegal to make them select-fire with burst and fully auto capability. Unless you have a very expensive permit from the ATF which allows them to show up and search your house at any time with no notice.

Much like having old people who don't understand technology make laws regulating technology is a bad idea, so is having people who don't understand guns making laws pertaining to specific firearms.
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I'm not saying to outlaw them. Just keep them out of kids hands
 
barfo said:
So, a gun for killing rodent-sized people? Is that really a common use case?

barfo
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No. It's incredibly uncommon for anybody to be killed with an AR. Less than 400 deaths per year for rifles of any kind in the US.

But yeah, rodent guns can kill people. And they are lighter and kick less and have less expensive rounds than the larger, more dangerous hunting rifles. So they are a popular choice for people who want to do a lot of shooting. Like say, a person interested in hitting as many people per shot as possible.

They can buy a lot of ammo to practice with, then just used the same gun to go shoot people.

Hunting rodents is absolutely a common use case for these rifles.
 
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Chris Craig said:
I'm not saying to outlaw them. Just keep them out of kids hands
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How do you write that law effectively? What is the dangerous part you're wanting to regulate? What components are restricted, and how would you enforce that restriction?
 
Phatguysrule said:
How do you write that law effectively? What is the dangerous part you're wanting to regulate? What components are restricted, and how would you enforce that restriction?
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Basically, if a kid gets a hold of a parents gun and uses it to kill, like in a mass shooting for instance, they will be held responsible. They will be charged like the parents in Michigan.
 
Chris Craig said:
Basically, if a kid gets a hold of a parents gun and uses it to kill, like in a mass shooting for instance, they will be held responsible. They will be charged like the parents in Michigan.
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I'm good with that in the case of Michigan. I think our current laws handle this just fine, especially considering how rare of a problem it is.

These parents should spend a long time in jail.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm good with that in the case of Michigan. I think our current laws handle this just fine, especially considering how rare of a problem it is.

These parents should spend a long time in jail.
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It happens far too often
 
Chris Craig said:
It happens far too often
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Sure, in a perfect world. But punishing the parents of kids who do this isn't going to change anything.

The Michigan incident is not typical of these situations.

There is no possible punishment worse than losing your child or having them turn into a murder.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Sure, in a perfect world. But punishing the parents of kids who do this isn't going to change anything.

The Michigan incident is not typical of these situations.

There is no possible punishment worse than losing your child or having them turn into a murder.
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It would change things. Parents would be more vigilant regarding the safety of their guns and less of these shootings would happen.

Not typical? It's a tale as old as time. Kid gets hold of parents guns, kid shoots up school.
 
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