Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

[Fez Hammersticks]

And they are actually incredibly useful for their intended purpose, which is for target shooting and hunting small children.

FTFY

 

[calvin natt]

I guarantee there will be armed security there.

To protect from who? The violent gun carrying liberals?

 

[calvin natt]

 

[Phatguysrule]

Why did this kid get a gun though.. I've been asking myself "why" a lot the last 24 hours and it always comes back to that for me. He shouldn't have had access.

I don't know the details. But I could gain access to everything in the house I grew up in. My parents didn't realize it, but I knew everything. That's what kids do.

Were you really locked out of stuff that you couldn't have gained access to in your house when you were 17? Even if you REALLY wanted to?

 

[Phatguysrule]

To protect from who? The violent gun carrying liberals?

The wealthy are always protected by guns. Especially at these kinds of events.

Their kids are protected by guns at school.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Untrue. Prohibition doesn't work. In either case.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Because in today’s world a plane is a much better weapon than a gun. See WTC.

Box knives...

 

[Shaboid]

I don't know the details. But I could gain access to everything in the house I grew up in. My parents didn't realize it, but I knew everything. That's what kids do.

Were you really locked out of stuff that you couldn't have gained access to in your house when you were 17? Even if you REALLY wanted to?

I didn't have any weapons in my house growing up. Our hunting rifles and ammunition were kept in a safe at my grandparents house (where any hunting would occur). That isn't the point!

You didn't answer the question. Why did this kid get a gun? He shouldn't have had access.

 

[Shaboid]

Obviously we had kitchen knives and hammers, etc. but none of those things can kill like a gun.

 

[Phatguysrule]

FTFY

If you want to look at the numbers they are actually on the very low end of deaths for small children.

500 American kids per year are deliberately killed by their own parents.

Last year there were 49 shooting deaths at schools, the vast majority of which were gang related deaths outside of school hours.

These shootings are horrible. Particularly young innocent children like yesterday and Sandy Hook. And I think more needs to be done to protect our kids at school.

But we need to get realistic about what there is political will to actually accomplish or we'll continue doing nothing.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I didn't have any weapons in my house growing up. Our hunting rifles and ammunition were kept in a safe at my grandparents house (where any hunting would occur). That isn't the point!

You didn't answer the question. Why did this kid get a gun? He shouldn't have had access.

How can we remove every opportunity? You want me to list all of the ways kids can get guns?

That's the point I'm trying to make. There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country and there isn't the political will to change that.

Hundreds of millions are not registered.

There are literally dozens of ways for a kid to get guns. This kid was old enough to buy rifles. That's the law, and I don't think that's going to change in Texas.

I understand some people think guns can go a way, but 1/3 of Americans own guns. Another 1/3 could see themselves owning a gun. Only 30-35% would never own a gun.

So I don't see how guns are going anywhere. So 18 year old kids are going to have access to them... Even if we say they shouldn't.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

 

[Chris Craig]

Because in today’s world a plane is a much better weapon than a gun. See WTC.

Not anymore. See post 9/11 security

 

[barfo]

But we need to get realistic about what there is political will to actually accomplish or we'll continue doing nothing.

Then again, you could have said that about gay rights, or women voting, or any number of other things where there was not the political will to do it, until one day there was.

Giving up is always an option, but it's not always the best option.

I'm not holding out a lot of hope, but I am holding out some hope that the tide will turn here, sooner or later.

barfo

 

[Shaboid]

How can we remove every opportunity? You want me to list all of the ways kids can get guns?

That's the point I'm trying to make. There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country and there isn't the political will to change that.

Hundreds of millions are not registered.

There are literally dozens of ways for a kid to get guns. This kid was old enough to buy rifles. That's the law, and I don't think that's going to change in Texas.

I understand some people think guns can go a way, but 1/3 of Americans own guns. Another 1/3 could see themselves owning a gun. Only 30-35% would never own a gun.

So I don't see how guns are going anywhere. So 18 year old kids are going to have access to them... Even if we say they shouldn't.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/View attachment 47603

We obviously can't remove every opportunity, but I would rather take me chances with someone getting a 3d printed gun from the dark web compared to any 18 year old going down to the street to any of these and picking up multiple weapons.

 

[barfo]

We obviously can't remove every opportunity, but I would rather take me chances with someone getting a 3d printed gun from the dark web compared to any 18 year old going down to the street to any of these and picking up multiple weapons.

View attachment 47606

That map seems a bit sparse. There are 8600 licensed gun dealers in Texas, at least according to this.

barfo

 

[Shaboid]

That map seems a bit sparse. There are 8600 licensed gun dealers in Texas, at least according to this.

barfo

Yeah, not surprising. That was a quick google search, and I think it's still too many.

 

[calvin natt]

Untrue. Prohibition doesn't work. In either case.

No, it’s true. The statement is true. Does it work? That’s not the statement. But it is the same people who want to ban abortions to stop abortions and then say you can’t ban guns to stop shootings

 

[barfo]

Yeah, not surprising. That was a quick google search, and I think it's still too many.

https://www.geospatialworld.net/blogs/gun-store-maps-of-usa/

There are 6 times as many gun shops in the US as Starbucks, and there is a Starbucks on every block.

This explains why there are so few murders where the weapon was coffee, I guess.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

We obviously can't remove every opportunity, but I would rather take me chances with someone getting a 3d printed gun from the dark web compared to any 18 year old going down to the street to any of these and picking up multiple weapons.

View attachment 47606

Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with raising the age of gun ownership. I just don't think it's likely to happen. And I don't think it would make a difference if it did.

Most kids can get anything they want from their parents. Especially if they are willing to kill them, as seems to be a common theme in these school shootings.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That map seems a bit sparse. There are 8600 licensed gun dealers in Texas, at least according to this.

barfo

Kind of surprised me how sparse it was as well, lol

 

[calvin natt]

How can we remove every opportunity? You want me to list all of the ways kids can get guns?

That's the point I'm trying to make. There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country and there isn't the political will to change that.

Hundreds of millions are not registered.

There are literally dozens of ways for a kid to get guns. This kid was old enough to buy rifles. That's the law, and I don't think that's going to change in Texas.

I understand some people think guns can go a way, but 1/3 of Americans own guns. Another 1/3 could see themselves owning a gun. Only 30-35% would never own a gun.

So I don't see how guns are going anywhere. So 18 year old kids are going to have access to them... Even if we say they shouldn't.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/View attachment 47603

Yep. Because people are getting desperate and fear what is happening with our fringe right lunatics. It’s perfect for gun lovers. “You’ll need guns to protect yourselves!” “Uh from who?” “Us!” Ok, better run out and get a gun

 

[calvin natt]

https://www.geospatialworld.net/blogs/gun-store-maps-of-usa/

There are 6 times as many gun shops in the US as Starbucks, and there is a Starbucks on every block.

This explains why there are so few murders where the weapon was coffee, I guess.

barfo

Hence this country’s pathetic infatuation and obsession with guns. Which isn’t the issue of course. Just bad healthcare and we are just stressed out.

 

[Shaboid]

Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with raising the age of gun ownership. I just don't think it's likely to happen. And I don't think it would make a difference if it did.

Most kids can get anything they want from their parents. Especially if they are willing to kill them, as seems to be a common theme in these school shootings.

The Federal Uniform Drinking Age of 1984 was passed. Why, in this 1st world country, can we not pass The Federal Uniform Firearm Age of 2022. Bump it up to 21 at the very fucking least?!?

 

[Chris Craig]

We obviously can't remove every opportunity, but I would rather take me chances with someone getting a 3d printed gun from the dark web compared to any 18 year old going down to the street to any of these and picking up multiple weapons.

View attachment 47606

3D printers are not that common. It's not something most people have access to.

Damn, some of those guns shops are right next to others.

 

[Chris Craig]

The Federal Uniform Drinking Age of 1984 was passed. Why, in this 1st world country, can we not pass The Federal Uniform Firearm Age of 2022. Bump it up to 21 at the very fucking least?!?

You have to wait till 21 to drink or smoke, why not for a gun?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Then again, you could have said that about gay rights, or women voting, or any number of other things where there was not the political will to do it, until one day there was.

Giving up is always an option, but it's not always the best option.

I'm not holding out a lot of hope, but I am holding out some hope that the tide will turn here, sooner or later.

barfo

I'm not suggesting giving up though. I'm suggesting getting something done that could actually help before the next time a classroom full of grade schoolers is gunned down...
Those issues were about protecting rights, not restricting them. I think that's a big difference.

And in uncertain times people tend to want to expand gun rights, not restrict them...

 

[Chris Craig]

Box knives...

Box knives isn't what stopped passengers from taking the terrorists out. They had fake bombs and the passengers didn't know if they were real.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The Federal Uniform Drinking Age of 1984 was passed. Why, in this 1st world country, can we not pass The Federal Uniform Firearm Age of 2022. Bump it up to 21 at the very fucking least?!?

The 2nd ammendment gets in the way here. There is no right to alcohol... And 18 year olds are considered legal adults...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Box knives isn't what stopped passengers from taking the terrorists out. They had fake bombs and the passengers didn't know if they were real.

Good point. And they didn't realize they were riding the bomb...

 

[Shaboid]

3D printers are not that common. It's not something most people have access to.

Damn, some of those guns shops are right next to others.

Exactly my point. I'm half tempted to try and see how hard it is to print a 3d gun, because I bet it's a lot more difficult that filling out the the paperwork to grab a glock at a pawn shop.

You have to wait till 21 to drink or smoke, why not for a gun?

I'd prefer a gun having to wait until your 25.