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Seeing there was an exchange of gunfire BEFORE he ran in to the school? And then the cops just...waited outside? I dunno. Good guys with guns not stopping the problem.
 
RR7 said:
Seeing there was an exchange of gunfire BEFORE he ran in to the school? And then the cops just...waited outside? I dunno. Good guys with guns not stopping the problem.
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Yes, they waited outside. They were too afraid to go in and confront him apparently. They allowed him to go in and murder a class of 4th grade students. Parents outside begged them to go in.
 
RR7 said:
Seeing there was an exchange of gunfire BEFORE he ran in to the school? And then the cops just...waited outside? I dunno. Good guys with guns not stopping the problem.
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Those guys don't sound very good...
 
By the time the border agent got there, it was too late.
 
calvin natt said:
How did he kill them? I honestly don’t know. If he killed them with the gun from the safe, then it was useless.
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Regarding Sandy Hook, it looks like he had access to a .22. Shot her in the head with it 4 times in her sleep, then left it on the floor in her room and raided the gun safe.

I don't know if the safe was keyed or combo locked.
 
Texas cops are accused of IGNORING woman's frantic pleas to storm elementary school as 19 children were being shot dead inside – with dad of one victim saying: 'They didn't do a darn thing until it was far too late'
  • Jacinto Cazares's daughter Jacklyn was among the 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde shot dead Tuesday by Salvador Ramos, 18
  • Cazares wants answers as to why the first 911 call came at 11:32am, and yet Ramos was not shot dead until 1pm
  • One man who lives opposite the school said that a woman was yelling at the police: 'Go in there!' - but they did not
  • The school had armed security, yet Ramos was still able to get in: multiple officers were shot by Ramos, who was wearing body armor without plates
  • The city of Uvalde is 80 miles west of San Antonio and the same distance from the border with Mexico: Border Agents were among those who responded
  • Texas's director of the department of public safety said: 'Obviously, this is situation we failed in the sense that we didn't prevent this mass attack'
  • He added: 'But I can tell you those officers that arrived on the scene and put their lives in danger — they saved other kids. They kept him pinned down'
  • Relatives, school friends and colleagues of Ramos have described the high school dropout as a bullied, angry loner who argued with his family
The father of a 10-year-old girl murdered in her Texas classroom on Tuesday has demanded to know why the gunman was able to rampage through the school for 90 minutes until he was shot dead, as it emerged that onlookers urged the police to enter the building - but they did not.

Jacinto Cazares's daughter Jacklyn was among the 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde shot dead by Salvador Ramos, 18.

The first 911 call was received 90 minutes earlier, at 11:30am, saying a man had emerged from a crashed vehicle with a long rifle and a backpack.

'There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn't do a darn thing until it was far too late,' Cazares told ABC News.

'The situation could've been over quick if they had better tactical training, and we as a community witnessed it firsthand.'

One woman was yelling at the police outside the school, said Juan Carranza, 24, who lives opposite.

He said she was screaming: 'Go in there! Go in there!'

Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Cazares said he wanted answers from local authorities as to why the shooter was not stopped before or during the attack.

'I'm a gun owner and I do not blame the weapons used in this tragedy,' he said.

'I'm angry how easy it is to get one and young you can be to purchase one.'

The massacre is the worst school shooting in the United States since Sandy Hook in 2012, when 20 children and six teachers were killed.

Ramos on Tuesday first shot his 66-year-old grandmother Cecilia Gonzalez in the face, leaving her severely injured, before stealing her pickup truck and driving towards the school.

Unable to drive, he crashed into a ditch and then ran to the school on foot, where he was met by an armed security guard.

Yet he was still able to enter the school and kill 21 people - and was not stopped until around 1pm, when a Border Patrol agent backed up by a tactical team shot him dead.

One of those involved in training schools how to deal with an active shooter lost his wife in Tuesday's tragedy.

Ruben Ruiz, 43, a veteran detective and SWAT team member, works as a police officer for the school district, and on March 22 held an active shooter drill at the school.

His wife Eva Mireles, 44, was one of the two teachers killed by Ramos on Tuesday.

Uvalde, home to 16,000 people, is 80 miles west of San Antonio.

Steve McCraw, director of the Texas department of public safety (DPS), said on Wednesday that a 'brave' school resource officer 'approached him' and 'engaged him' - but added that 'gunfire was not exchanged.'

He did not explain why.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...im-slams-police-failing-stop-gunman-HOUR.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Texas cops are accused of IGNORING woman's frantic pleas to storm elementary school as 19 children were being shot dead inside – with dad of one victim saying: 'They didn't do a darn thing until it was far too late'
  • Jacinto Cazares's daughter Jacklyn was among the 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde shot dead Tuesday by Salvador Ramos, 18
  • Cazares wants answers as to why the first 911 call came at 11:32am, and yet Ramos was not shot dead until 1pm
  • One man who lives opposite the school said that a woman was yelling at the police: 'Go in there!' - but they did not
  • The school had armed security, yet Ramos was still able to get in: multiple officers were shot by Ramos, who was wearing body armor without plates
  • The city of Uvalde is 80 miles west of San Antonio and the same distance from the border with Mexico: Border Agents were among those who responded
  • Texas's director of the department of public safety said: 'Obviously, this is situation we failed in the sense that we didn't prevent this mass attack'
  • He added: 'But I can tell you those officers that arrived on the scene and put their lives in danger — they saved other kids. They kept him pinned down'
  • Relatives, school friends and colleagues of Ramos have described the high school dropout as a bullied, angry loner who argued with his family
The father of a 10-year-old girl murdered in her Texas classroom on Tuesday has demanded to know why the gunman was able to rampage through the school for 90 minutes until he was shot dead, as it emerged that onlookers urged the police to enter the building - but they did not.

Jacinto Cazares's daughter Jacklyn was among the 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde shot dead by Salvador Ramos, 18.

The first 911 call was received 90 minutes earlier, at 11:30am, saying a man had emerged from a crashed vehicle with a long rifle and a backpack.

'There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn't do a darn thing until it was far too late,' Cazares told ABC News.

'The situation could've been over quick if they had better tactical training, and we as a community witnessed it firsthand.'

One woman was yelling at the police outside the school, said Juan Carranza, 24, who lives opposite.

He said she was screaming: 'Go in there! Go in there!'

Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Cazares said he wanted answers from local authorities as to why the shooter was not stopped before or during the attack.

'I'm a gun owner and I do not blame the weapons used in this tragedy,' he said.

'I'm angry how easy it is to get one and young you can be to purchase one.'

The massacre is the worst school shooting in the United States since Sandy Hook in 2012, when 20 children and six teachers were killed.

Ramos on Tuesday first shot his 66-year-old grandmother Cecilia Gonzalez in the face, leaving her severely injured, before stealing her pickup truck and driving towards the school.

Unable to drive, he crashed into a ditch and then ran to the school on foot, where he was met by an armed security guard.

Yet he was still able to enter the school and kill 21 people - and was not stopped until around 1pm, when a Border Patrol agent backed up by a tactical team shot him dead.

One of those involved in training schools how to deal with an active shooter lost his wife in Tuesday's tragedy.

Ruben Ruiz, 43, a veteran detective and SWAT team member, works as a police officer for the school district, and on March 22 held an active shooter drill at the school.

His wife Eva Mireles, 44, was one of the two teachers killed by Ramos on Tuesday.

Uvalde, home to 16,000 people, is 80 miles west of San Antonio.

Steve McCraw, director of the Texas department of public safety (DPS), said on Wednesday that a 'brave' school resource officer 'approached him' and 'engaged him' - but added that 'gunfire was not exchanged.'

He did not explain why.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...im-slams-police-failing-stop-gunman-HOUR.html
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Timeline of a massacre: How events unfolded in Uvalde, Texas

11:32am: A mass casualty incident - later discovered to be the shooting - takes place at Robb Elementary School. The school reports it is locked down because of 'gunshots in the area.'

12.17pm: The school posts a message on social media writing: 'There is an active shooter at Robb Elementary.'

12.38pm: A reunification site is set up at the Willie DeLeon Civic Center.

1.06pm: The Uvalde Police Department reports the suspect is 'in police custody.'

2.47pm: Uvalde Memorial Hospital posts an update to Facebook that said it had received '13 children via ambulance or buses for treatment. Two children have been transferred to San Antonio, and one child is pending transfer. Two individual that arrived at UMH were deceased.'

3pm: Gov. Greg Abbott identifies the suspect as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, saying he abandoned his vehicle and entered the school with a handgun and possibly a rifle. He then confirms that at least 14 students and one teacher were killed.

3:56pm: University Health San Antonio says a 66-year-old woman and a 10-year-old girl are both in critical condition.

4.17pm: Uvalde police confirm the suspected shooter is dead and he is believed to have acted alone.

6.06pm: Vice President Kamala Harris addresses the shooting, calling for 'reasonable and sensible public policy to ensure something like this never happens again.'

6.25pm: The number of children killed in the massacre jumps to 18 as authorities confirm that the shooter was killed and the shooter's grandmother is in critical condition.

6.55pm: It is confirmed that the shooter bought two long guns on his 18th birthday.

7.12pm: Chris Olivarez, with the Texas Department of Public Safety, confirms the shooter was swearing body armor and used a long rifle in the shooting.

7.13pm: Fourth-grade teacher Eva Mireles is confirmed to be one of the victims.

7.43pm: President Joe Biden gives televised remarks on the shooting, asking the nation to pray for the victims and their families and saying the nation has to ask: 'When in God's name are we going to stand up to the gun lobby?'

He demanded Congress act on 'common-sense gun laws'

7.50pm: It is confirmed that an agent with the Border Patrol Tactical Unit, a specialized unit within the US Border Patrol, shot and killed Salvador Ramos.

8.57pm: Death toll increases to 19 children and two teachers killed in the attack.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Steve McCraw, director of the Texas department of public safety (DPS), said on Wednesday that a 'brave' school resource officer 'approached him' and 'engaged him' - but added that 'gunfire was not exchanged.'

He did not explain why.
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"Brave"
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Texas cops are accused of IGNORING woman's frantic pleas to storm elementary school as 19 children were being shot dead inside – with dad of one victim saying: 'They didn't do a darn thing until it was far too late'
  • Jacinto Cazares's daughter Jacklyn was among the 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde shot dead Tuesday by Salvador Ramos, 18
  • Cazares wants answers as to why the first 911 call came at 11:32am, and yet Ramos was not shot dead until 1pm
  • One man who lives opposite the school said that a woman was yelling at the police: 'Go in there!' - but they did not
  • The school had armed security, yet Ramos was still able to get in: multiple officers were shot by Ramos, who was wearing body armor without plates
  • The city of Uvalde is 80 miles west of San Antonio and the same distance from the border with Mexico: Border Agents were among those who responded
  • Texas's director of the department of public safety said: 'Obviously, this is situation we failed in the sense that we didn't prevent this mass attack'
  • He added: 'But I can tell you those officers that arrived on the scene and put their lives in danger — they saved other kids. They kept him pinned down'
  • Relatives, school friends and colleagues of Ramos have described the high school dropout as a bullied, angry loner who argued with his family
The father of a 10-year-old girl murdered in her Texas classroom on Tuesday has demanded to know why the gunman was able to rampage through the school for 90 minutes until he was shot dead, as it emerged that onlookers urged the police to enter the building - but they did not.

Jacinto Cazares's daughter Jacklyn was among the 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde shot dead by Salvador Ramos, 18.

The first 911 call was received 90 minutes earlier, at 11:30am, saying a man had emerged from a crashed vehicle with a long rifle and a backpack.

'There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn't do a darn thing until it was far too late,' Cazares told ABC News.

'The situation could've been over quick if they had better tactical training, and we as a community witnessed it firsthand.'

One woman was yelling at the police outside the school, said Juan Carranza, 24, who lives opposite.

He said she was screaming: 'Go in there! Go in there!'

Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Cazares said he wanted answers from local authorities as to why the shooter was not stopped before or during the attack.

'I'm a gun owner and I do not blame the weapons used in this tragedy,' he said.

'I'm angry how easy it is to get one and young you can be to purchase one.'

The massacre is the worst school shooting in the United States since Sandy Hook in 2012, when 20 children and six teachers were killed.

Ramos on Tuesday first shot his 66-year-old grandmother Cecilia Gonzalez in the face, leaving her severely injured, before stealing her pickup truck and driving towards the school.

Unable to drive, he crashed into a ditch and then ran to the school on foot, where he was met by an armed security guard.

Yet he was still able to enter the school and kill 21 people - and was not stopped until around 1pm, when a Border Patrol agent backed up by a tactical team shot him dead.

One of those involved in training schools how to deal with an active shooter lost his wife in Tuesday's tragedy.

Ruben Ruiz, 43, a veteran detective and SWAT team member, works as a police officer for the school district, and on March 22 held an active shooter drill at the school.

His wife Eva Mireles, 44, was one of the two teachers killed by Ramos on Tuesday.

Uvalde, home to 16,000 people, is 80 miles west of San Antonio.

Steve McCraw, director of the Texas department of public safety (DPS), said on Wednesday that a 'brave' school resource officer 'approached him' and 'engaged him' - but added that 'gunfire was not exchanged.'

He did not explain why.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...im-slams-police-failing-stop-gunman-HOUR.html
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40 officers

He was in there for an hour and a half?

WTF

Had him pinned down? He pinned himself in the classroom and killed all the kids in there.

Heads need to roll
 
Chris Craig said:
40 officers

He was in there for an hour and a half?

WTF

Had him pinned down? He pinned himself in the classroom and killed all the kids in there.

Heads need to roll
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You watch, the cops will quietly release the autopsy next week and it will turn out the idiot had already killed himself before the cops even went in.
 
If we can't rely on those with guns to stop these sorts of things, what the fuck is the point? Fuck gun culture. Fuck your target shooting and your sport.
 
There were 100+ federal agents on the scene.

40+ local officers.

So one kid with an AR-15 held off 140+ law officers.

The cops didn't hold back because of the kid, they held back because of the gun.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
There were 100+ federal agents on the scene.

40+ local officers.

So one kid with an AR-15 held off 140+ law officers.

The cops didn't hold back because of the kid, they held back because of the gun.
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But, but..........Dumbshit Abbott said (with tears in his eyes) at his press conference that law enforcement showed up immediately, and charged into danger without regard for their own safety in order to end the carnage. He made them sound so heroic. Obviously the butt covering and whitewashing started before the gun smoke had even cleared. And then the Lieutenant Governor called Beto O'Rourke an embarrassment for holding them accountable. The embarrassment were all the useless wastes of skin in LE uniforms on that stage today, along with the politicians.
 
Shaboid said:
I do not really see any purpose for facebook. I haven't used it in 9 years and feel like my life has been better.
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I haven't used it in over a decade...deleted my account..it was like having a dinner party with relatives, friends, and their friends and their friends and nobody ever goes home....and too many can't hold their liquor
 
SlyPokerDog said:
There were 100+ federal agents on the scene.

40+ local officers.

So one kid with an AR-15 held off 140+ law officers.

The cops didn't hold back because of the kid, they held back because of the gun.
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They held back because they are all cowards who need fired and never allowed to work in law enforcement again.

Fuck those people, and fuck the department that trained them.
 
calvin natt said:
Not enough guns to deal with the 18 year old. Need more guns. Vending machines with guns just in case. Guns in all lockers.
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Or just cops that will do their job... I guess I don't know why I thought they would do their job here, they don't seem to do it anyplace else...
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still gathered outside the building.

Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

“They were unprepared,” he added.

Minutes earlier, Carranza had watched as Salvador Ramos crashed his truck into a ditch outside the school, grabbed his AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle and shot at two people outside a nearby funeral home who ran away uninjured.

Officials say he “encountered” a school district security officer outside the school, though there were conflicting reports from authorities on whether the men exchanged gunfire. After running inside, he fired on two arriving Uvalde police officers who were outside the building, said Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson Travis Considine. The police officers were injured.

After entering the school, Ramos charged into one classroom and began to kill.


He “barricaded himself by locking the door and just started shooting children and teachers that were inside that classroom,” Lt. Christopher Olivarez of the Department of Public Safety told CNN. “It just shows you the complete evil of the shooter.”

All those killed were in the same classroom, he said.

Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.

“The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.”

Meanwhile, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.

Carranza said the officers should have entered the school sooner.

“There were more of them. There was just one of him,” he said.

Uvalde is a largely Latino town of some 16,000 people about 75 miles (120 kilometers) from the Mexican border. Robb Elementary, which has nearly 600 students in second, third and fourth grades, is a single-story brick structure in a mostly residential neighborhood of modest homes.

Before attacking the school, Ramos shot and wounded his grandmother at the home they shared, authorities said.

Neighbor Gilbert Gallegos, 82, who lives across the street and has known the family for decades, said he was puttering in his yard when he heard the shots.

Ramos ran out the front door and across the small yard to the truck parked in front of the house. He seemed panicked, Gallegos said, and had trouble getting the truck out of park.

Then he raced away: “He spun out, I mean fast,” spraying gravel in the air.

His grandmother emerged covered in blood: “She says, ‘Berto, this is what he did. He shot me.’” She was hospitalized.

Gallegos, whose wife called 911, said he had heard no arguments before or after the shots, and knew of no history of bullying or abuse of Ramos, who he rarely saw.

Investigators also shed no light on Ramos’ motive for the attack, which also left at least 17 people wounded. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said Ramos, a resident of the small town about 85 miles (135 kilometers) west of San Antonio, had no known criminal or mental health history.

“We don’t see a motive or catalyst right now,” said McCraw of the Department of Public Safety.

Ramos legally bought the rifle and a second one like it last week, just after his birthday, authorities said.

About a half-hour before the mass shooting, Ramos sent the first of three online messages warning about his plans, Abbott said.

Ramos wrote that he was going to shoot his grandmother, then that he had shot the woman. In the last note, sent about 15 minutes before he reached Robb Elementary, he said he was going to shoot up an elementary school, according to Abbott. Investigators said Ramos did not specify which school.

Ramos sent the private, one-to-one text messages via Facebook, said company spokesman Andy Stone. It was not clear who received the messages.

Grief engulfed Uvalde as the details emerged.

The dead included Eliahna Garcia, an outgoing 10-year-old who loved to sing, dance and play basketball; a fellow fourth-grader, Xavier Javier Lopez, who had been eagerly awaiting a summer of swimming; and a teacher, Eva Mireles, whose husband is an officer with the school district’s police department.

“You can just tell by their angelic smiles that they were loved,” Uvalde Schools Superintendent Hal Harrell said, fighting back tears as he recalled the children and teachers killed.

The tragedy was the latest in a seemingly unending wave of mass shootings across the U.S. in recent years. Just 10 days earlier, 10 Black people were shot to death in a racist attack at a Buffalo, New York, supermarket.

The attack was the deadliest school shooting in the U.S. since a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut, in December 2012.

Amid calls for tighter restrictions on firearms, the Republican governor repeatedly talked about mental health struggles among Texas young people and argued that tougher gun laws in Chicago, New York and California are ineffective.

Democrat Beto O’Rourke, who is running against Abbott for governor, interrupted Wednesday’s news conference, calling the tragedy “predictable.” Pointing his finger at Abbott, he said: “This is on you until you choose to do something different. This will continue to happen.” O’Rourke was escorted out as some in the room yelled at him. Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin yelled that O’Rourke was a “sick son of a bitch.”

Texas has some of the most gun-friendly laws in the nation and has been the site of some of the deadliest shootings in the U.S. over the past five years.

“I just don’t know how people can sell that type of a gun to a kid 18 years old,” Siria Arizmendi, the aunt of victim Eliahna Garcia, said angrily through tears. “What is he going to use it for but for that purpose?”

President Joe Biden said Wednesday that “the Second Amendment is not absolute” as he called for new limitations on guns in the wake of the massacre.

But the prospects for reform of the nation’s gun regulations appeared dim. Repeated attempts over the years to expand background checks and enact other curbs have run into Republican opposition in Congress.

The shooting came days before the National Rifle Association annual convention was set to begin in Houston, with the Texas governor and both of the state’s Republican U.S. senators scheduled to speak.

Dillon Silva, whose nephew was in a classroom, said students were watching the Disney movie “Moana” when they heard several loud pops and a bullet shattered a window. Moments later, their teacher saw the attacker stride past.

“Oh, my God, he has a gun!” the teacher shouted twice, according to Silva. “The teacher didn’t even have time to lock the door,” he said.

The close-knit community, built around a shaded central square, includes many families who have lived there for generations.

Lorena Auguste was substitute teaching at Uvalde High School when she heard about the shooting and began frantically texting her niece, a fourth grader at Robb Elementary. Eventually she found out the girl was OK.

But that night, her niece had a question.

“Why did they do this to us?” the girl asked. “We’re good kids. We didn’t do anything wrong.”

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683
 
SlyPokerDog said:
THEY HAD TASERS OUT, THEY WERE GOING TO TASE THE PARENTS!

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Those police are accessories. Lock them up.

This is why I tell my kids to run. Your parents are the only people who will come to help you. And yes, I'll be armed if that ever happens.

When you need help immediately the police are only 90 minutes away.

People ask why people need to arm themselves? Why do we need guns?

Exhibit A. The police just stopped the community from helping people in need. Police will not help you. You had better be able to help yourself. Police only show up to write reports and citations.
 
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