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Yep, every citizen should be armed. Then the police would have let them right in. It worked for the shooter.

I'm now convinced the 2nd ammendment is more important than ever. Police in this country are absolutely worthless.
 
So since there is no perfect solution let's continue to do nothing.
And wonder why other countries don't have this problem. Maybe something in the water?
 
crandc said:
So since there is no perfect solution let's continue to do nothing.
And wonder why other countries don't have this problem. Maybe something in the water?
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Lol, if your solution is to put my family at the mercy of police who prevent help from getting to them when they are in need the far better solution is to arm oneself and support rights which make that acceptable.

If you consider
-Making it easier for the community to prevent dangerous people from getting guns (by marking their ID with a weapons restriction)

-Adding incentive for the community to prevent dangerous people from getting guns (making doing so in any manor a felony)

-Focusing political capital on instituting universal access to healthcare to reduce the mental illness (which I have shown is present in virtually all of these cases). And would save and improve literally millions of American lives per year

-Focusing and funding schools to identify and refer students in need to proper resources (like the universal mental health care we should be providing).

-Mandating that "gun free zones" be defensable and when mandated by the government, the government should be responsible for their protection. Severe penalties should be levied in situations in which the government disarms people and those people are slaughtered. To the tune of Millions of dollars to each family who experiences loss and legal repercussions for police or security who fail to act to defend those in the "gun free zone" .

-Funding all schools to install adequate heating, cooling, and ventilation, as well as secure locking doors and armed and trained staff inside the school any time school is in session.

But yeah, since the suggestions would only save hundreds of thousands to millions of American lives per year (improving tens to hundreds of millions more) and don't come along with restricting the rights of every law abiding American it's "doing nothing". Even though those proposed solutions stand a much better chance of actually happening and face far less opposition, it's "doing nothing".

Instead we'll rant and rave about getting rid of something 70% of Americans have or may want in the hopes of passing policies which have shown to make a "statistically insignificant" difference when they've been implemented in this country.

But sure. I'm the one suggesting we do nothing...

When some of you lose your rights because you've wasted political capital on going after other people's rights...

Well, just don't say I didn't tell you so...
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
This right here is my biggest problem with politics.
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Yes, people refusing to look at actionable options because their team wants to take rights from others.
But at least we can say "my team vs that team".

Don't take my rights, but I'm coming after yours...
 
crandc said:
So since there is no perfect solution let's continue to do nothing.
And wonder why other countries don't have this problem. Maybe something in the water?
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Arm teachers. Or how about police don't stand outside as kids are being killed.
 
So we live in a failing society, failing economy, the police are worthless, only out for a paycheck and stand around with their dicks in their hands while children are murdered feet away. Same as Parkland.
Where is the incentive for people to hand over their guns when we live in a society where people have no protection? Honest question. The only people we want to have guns are cops that are more likely to shoot us than to save us? That’s a tough sell. It’s hard to imagine people won’t just try to buy MORE guns the further our society slips into insanity.
 
Teachers have to teach, handle social problems, medical emergencies, abuse and neglect. Don't ask them to also be cops.
 
Chris Craig said:
Why the fuck didn't he shoot him? He had a gun out. At the school! It's his job.
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A major Republican talking point right now is for every school to have their own cops on site. They use various massacre examples of how it would have been so much worse if a school cop hadn't been present in those situations (like ANY deaths are okay just so long as the total doesn't get out of hand). The Uvalde school cop who utterly failed to perform is the best argument against schools having there own cops. Look at all the cops who came to the scene.....and then stood around with their fingers up their asses. The idea of more cops as a "solution" is about as insane as the idea of more guns as a "solution". All the cops in the world won't help if they are too chickenshit to do the job they walked into with eyes wide open.....and for which they are paid. Every one of those officers had guns. Fat lotta good it did.......
 
crandc said:
Teachers have to teach, handle social problems, medical emergencies, abuse and neglect. Don't ask them to also be cops.
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I'm not asking them to be cops. I'm asking for them to have the right to arm and defend themselves at schools if they meet strict qualifications.
In fact, give them a $10k per year tax free bonus for doing so. In fact, teachers should be paid far better anyway, just in general.

Let's not make them do all of that, in a gun free zone (a well known target) unarmed. Teachers should be allowed to arm themselves, and if they choose to do so we should cover all expenses related to that.
 
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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
A major Republican talking point right now is for every school to have their own cops on site. They use various massacre examples of how it would have been so much worse if a school cop hadn't been present in those situations (like ANY deaths are okay just so long as the total doesn't get out of hand). The Uvalde school cop who utterly failed to perform is the best argument against schools having there own cops. Look at all the cops who came to the scene.....and then stood around with their fingers up their asses. The idea of more cops as a "solution" is about as insane as the idea of more guns as a "solution". All the cops in the world won't help if they are too chickenshit to do the job they walked into with eyes wide open.....and for which they are paid. Every one of those officers had guns. Fat lotta good it did.......
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This is why the teachers should be allowed to arm themselves in their classrooms. In fact, give them free training and a generous tax free stipend if they choose to do so.
The incentives for police are all wrong. Cover your ass and right the reports and everything will be fine. Fuck those kids.

A teach in the classroom would be defending themselves as well.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is why the teachers should be allowed to arm themselves in their classrooms. In fact, give them free training and a generous tax free stipend if they choose to do so.
The incentives for police are all wrong. Cover your ass and right the reports and everything will be fine. Fuck those kids.

A teach in the classroom would be defending themselves as well.
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Nope. 100% gun confiscation. Period. Amen. And when that has been accomplished, severely restrict police access to firearms, as they should rarely be required. Time for a 180 degree approach to a problem that is only getting worse. With everything else the right wants to take away from us, why wouldn't they get behind this?? The time for so called "rational" discussion is long past. Prayers and platitudes are proven ineffective time and time again. Maybe it's time this country grew up and moved away from 18th century thinking........
 
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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Nope. 100% gun confiscation. Period. Amen. And when that has been accomplished, severely restrict police access to firearms, as they should rarely be required. Time for a 180 degree approach to a problem that is only getting worse. With everything else the right wants to take away from us, why wouldn't they get behind this?? The time for so called "rational" discussion is long past. Prayers and platitudes are proven ineffective time and time again. Maybe it's time this country grew up and moved away from 18th century thinking........
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Never happen. That's how you get civil war. 70% of the population wants guns.

Choosing gun confiscation is choosing to do exactly nothing.

Or you're choosing authoritarianism, which is what would have to happen to even start confiscating guns.
 
I find it funny that a large portion of the population is for arming teachers but that same group doesn't trust teachers to pick out appropriate books for teaching or libraries. Trust a teacher with a gun, but don't trust teachers with the curriculum
 
twobullz said:
I find it funny that a large portion of the population is for arming teachers but that same group doesn't trust teachers to pick out appropriate books for teaching or libraries. Trust a teacher with a gun, but don't trust teachers with the curriculum
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I trust teachers just fine. In fact, I've already said they are drastically underpaid.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Never happen. That's how you get civil war. 70% of the population wants guns.

Choosing gun confiscation is choosing to do exactly nothing.

Or you're choosing authoritarianism, which is what would have to happen to even start confiscating guns.
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Good points, except.......this country is already well on it's way to civil war AND authoritarianism. The choice is whether you want liberal authoritarianism or conservative authoritarianism. Currently we're trending towards the latter. And the right has all the guns. If that doesn't scare the shit outta the average American, then we have finally become too stupid to exist as a country any longer. I mean c'mon, our choice seems to be take away guns and have a civil war, or keep guns and have a civil war. That's a corner we have deliberately backed ourselves into.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Good points, except.......this country is already well on it's way to civil war AND authoritarianism. The choice is whether you want liberal authoritarianism or conservative authoritarianism. Currently we're trending towards the latter. And the right has all the guns. If that doesn't scare the shit outta the average American, then we have finally become too stupid to exist as a country any longer. I mean c'mon, our choice seems to be take away guns and have a civil war, or keep guns and have a civil war. That's a corner we have deliberately backed ourselves into.
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Authoritarianism can't happen when the population has over 400 million guns. Many on the left have guns. Many on the left end up voting right partially because the left keeps coming after guns.

If we're going toward authoritarianism, or a civil war, I definitely want an armed population.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm not asking them to be cops. I'm asking for them to have the right to arm and defend themselves at schools if they meet strict qualifications.
In fact, give them a $10k per year tax free bonus for doing so. In fact, teachers should be paid far better anyway, just in general.

Let's not make them do all of that, in a gun free zone (a well known target) unarmed. Teachers should be allowed to arm themselves, and if they choose to do so we should cover all expenses related to that.
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My wife and I know 2 current teachers that (guy & gal) that are armed in the same same school. Outside of Portland.
 
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