Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

[riverman]

True, but you'd still have to enter through the front entrance, and the front desk can see if you are a person who should have a key.

If prepared for this scenario, especially with some armed staff, I'm comfortable that none of these weak psychos who need to attack children to feel strong would be brazen enough to try and breach it.

And if they did, they would meet sufficient resistance to end the attack.

Sure, it's possible. But there is a significant staff presence outside when school starts. And they notice people who are out of place. Even when I enter with my kids they make sure to address me.

Nobody is sneaking in there with an AR unobserved. The only feasible way would be with a hand gun on your person or in a backpack...

It's happened on military bases before....an officer flipped out in Texas and shot up the joint. When these things happen it is rarely predictable...you assume people on guard duty see everything....I stood a lot of guard duty and will be the first to tell you, not everything gets noticed

 

[Fairly-Hard]

This will require a constitutional amendment.

Now you're catching on.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It's happened on military bases before....an officer flipped out in Texas and shot up the joint. When these things happen it is rarely predictable...you assume people on guard duty see everything....I stood a lot of guard duty and will be the first to tell you, not everything gets noticed

Yeah, It could certainly happen. This just seems like a good balance of a reasonable amount of precautions without making it seem scary. It's been very well done.

I'm not overly worried about a person capable of physically overpowering a teacher and planning a way to attack the school that way. If they have that amount of mental capability and motivation it's going to be next to impossible to stop them from causing some damage. A person that motivated would have no trouble coming up with a deadly weapon regardless of gun laws.

We're going to have to deal with guys like the DC sniper and the Vegas Millionaire committing horrible acts every now and then.
It's unfortunate, but until we make greater social advances it's an unfortunate reality.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Bullshit. Don't try to hide your childish behavior behind those poor children. It's not going to fly with me.

Here we go with more of your childish bullshit. You are the one focusing on that, not me. I brought it up with a link proving that it was 1 of several types of hunting that people use thw AR platform for.

If you are afraid to learn that is your prerogative. I don't hold grudges, but if you keep coming at me with your childish and disrespectful bullshit you're going to get it right back.

Seriously? 16 posts about these things by YOU but it's my "childish bullshit"? Okay.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Now you're catching on.

I'll point out that I said that very early on this discussion. But that's fine.

So now you have to get a 2/3 vote in both The House and The Senate, then you have to convince 38 states to support it.

21 states currently require no permits for concealed or open carry. Up from 15 last year.

When do you expect this constitutional convention to happen?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Seriously? 16 posts about these things by YOU but it's my "childish bullshit"? Okay.

Really... You really want to keep going down this road?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ohio homeowner shoots intruder who Police say began assaulting the homeowners, dragging one of them outside

https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/...ak-in-police-say/3RLH7PYRFBDSJEPLYDZZM6CT3M/l

 

[Phatguysrule]

Prosecutors determine Kansas woman fatally shot husband in self defense, bring no charges
Deputies observed that her mouth was bloody and her left eye was almost swollen shut. She also had injuries to her face, ribs and a possible broken ankle

www.kansascity.com/news/local/article261741817.html

 

[Phatguysrule]

They literally ARE the reason though.

Less doors? Are you fucking kidding me?

Who said anything about less doors? Why is it that people with this stance have to resort to such tactics?

Seriously. I'm attempting to have a legitimate conversation here...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Guns are the leading cause of death for kids now. Used to be cars. Nobody says remove all guns. Just like nobody said remove all cars. But we made cars safer, said hey don’t drive drunk, etc. We tried to make things better by behavior and the actual car itself. Nobody said “it’s not the cars fault”. Anyway, now guns have taken the reigns as the #1 killer, but the answer is more, bigger, deadlier guns and just keep doing what we’re doing?

Who suggested more, bigger, deadlier guns? Who suggested we just keep doing what we're doing?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Wisconsin couple kills bear that attacked them in their home
Both the husband and wife were injured before they were able to stab the bear with a kitchen knife. Eventually, the man was able to grab a firearm and kill the animal.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/22/wisco...lenews&utm_medium=inline&utm_source=applenews

 

[Lanny]

Just like the Camel Cigarette Camel being forced into retirement, I think all marketing to kids and toy replicas should be banned. There can still be cartoon-like toy guns but not toy replicas of actual weapons.

Obviously.

 

[Lanny]

Wisconsin couple kills bear that attacked them in their home
Both the husband and wife were injured before they were able to stab the bear with a kitchen knife. Eventually, the man was able to grab a firearm and kill the animal.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/22/wisco...lenews&utm_medium=inline&utm_source=applenews

19 little defenseless children murdered with guns recently in Texas. Meanwhile 19 good guys with guns failed to prevent the carnage.

 

[Phatguysrule]

19 little defenseless children murdered with guns recently in Texas. Meanwhile 19 good guys with guns failed to prevent the ravage.

Yep, any police officer who thinks those police were right need to turn in their badge.

That school needed better security.

We need universal Healthcare, education, and an improved social safety net like other first world countries have.

There are no constitutional blocks to any of those steps, and there has actually been movement in that direction over recent years.

 

[calvin natt]

Yep, any police officer who thinks those police were right need to turn in their badge.

That school needed better security.

We need universal Healthcare, education, and an improved social safety net like other first world countries have.

There are no constitutional blocks to any of those steps, and there has actually been movement in that direction over recent years.

The party that overwhelmingly loves guns is the party stopping that from happening.

 

[theprunetang]

If it's so simple why hasn't it been done?

Because people in power who think like you won't allow it to happen. You are sounding highly disingenuous here.

 

[theprunetang]

And that response is why so little progress has been made. Just as bad as the Republicans on this issue, IMO.

And being so illogical convinces people who would otherwise support Democrats to vote for Republicans. It makes Dem candidates seem illogical and untrustworthy.

So they vote to support individual rights.

Republicans are taking away individual rights last time I checked.

 

[Lanny]

Because people in power who think like you won't allow it to happen. You are sounding highly disingenuous here.

Phatguysrule is a very good guy, he just has a differing view on the value of guns and what the Constitution really says about well regulated militias vs the average couch potato Joe.
I proclaim a well regulated militia only applies to the National Guard.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is fucking ridiculous.

Was the kid dumb to say that? Yes.

Maybe bring him into the station to scare him? Sure.

But to release his name, perp walk, release his mugshot?!? Fuck that. He's 10 years old.

Florida cops release MUGSHOT of ten-year-old boy they cuffed and perp walked after he jokingly text a friend that he had bought four assault rifles

• Daniel Issac Marquez was charged with making a written threat to conduct a mass shooting after sending text
• The 10-year-old sent a text claiming that he had purchased four assault rifles and said 'get ready for water day'
• Police believe he was threatening to attack his school and publicly arrested him
• Sheriff Carmine Marceno defended the arrest by saying 'a child pulling a trigger equals the same aftermath'
• The sheriff alleged that authorities must consider all threats as credible
• He also warned that anyone who shoots at Florida's schools will be 'killed immediately'
• The fake threat was the second time in a week the community was rocked by threat of violence against school
• A woman on Thursday said she would go to high school graduation in the area with a bomb strapped to chest
• They both come after 19 children and two teachers were shot to death by a sick 18-year-old gunman in Texas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cops-say-threatened-mass-school-shooting.html

 

[Phatguysrule]

Republicans are taking away individual rights last time I checked.

And if Dems weren't doing the same they'd have a leg to stand on with that argument.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Because people in power who think like you won't allow it to happen. You are sounding highly disingenuous here.

Who think like me? There aren't any in power I can think of who think like me... Maybe Bernie Sanders is about the closest.

What part is disingenuous? I'm happy to discuss it.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The party that overwhelmingly loves guns is the party stopping that from happening.

Dems have the president, the house and a tie in the senate.

How are Republicans stopping those things?

 

[crandc]

By

Dems have the president, the house and a tie in the senate.

How are Republicans stopping those things?

By blocking closure. It used to be standard, senate debates, then votes cloture to end debate and move to vote. Takes 60 votes. Moscow Mitch blocks every cloture vote. So even if a bill has enough votes to pass it can't be voted on.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

By
By blocking closure. It used to be standard, senate debates, then votes cloture to end debate and move to vote. Takes 60 votes. Moscow Mitch blocks every cloture vote. So even if a bill has enough votes to pass it can't be voted on.

If he doesn’t know this why are we actually allowing this debate to continue?
Seriously this is why I say having conversations about caliber of ammunition and size of gun or even what they look like just muddy the waters.

 

[Lanny]

Dems have the president, the house and a tie in the senate.

How are Republicans stopping those things?

Democrats do not have a super majority.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Who said anything about less doors? Why is it that people with this stance have to resort to such tactics?

Seriously. I'm attempting to have a legitimate conversation here...

Every fucking asshole republican politician in Texas said that.

We have gone way past “legitimate conversation” when someone goes into a school that HAD armed guards, murdered multiple children while some of those children FRANTICALLY called 911. The only problem is the FUCKING police officers were too scared to go after him because he had AN ASSAULT RIFLE.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is fucking ridiculous.

Was the kid dumb to say that? Yes.

Maybe bring him into the station to scare him? Sure.

But to release his name, perp walk, release his mugshot?!? Fuck that. He's 10 years old.

Florida cops release MUGSHOT of ten-year-old boy they cuffed and perp walked after he jokingly text a friend that he had bought four assault rifles

• Daniel Issac Marquez was charged with making a written threat to conduct a mass shooting after sending text
• The 10-year-old sent a text claiming that he had purchased four assault rifles and said 'get ready for water day'
• Police believe he was threatening to attack his school and publicly arrested him
• Sheriff Carmine Marceno defended the arrest by saying 'a child pulling a trigger equals the same aftermath'
• The sheriff alleged that authorities must consider all threats as credible
• He also warned that anyone who shoots at Florida's schools will be 'killed immediately'
• The fake threat was the second time in a week the community was rocked by threat of violence against school
• A woman on Thursday said she would go to high school graduation in the area with a bomb strapped to chest
• They both come after 19 children and two teachers were shot to death by a sick 18-year-old gunman in Texas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cops-say-threatened-mass-school-shooting.html

Now this idiot needs to be arrested and humiliated.

ANOTHER Florida student is arrested on felony charges for posting pictures of himself online with what appeared to be a rifle and the caption: 'Hey Siri, directions to the nearest school'

• Corey Anderson, 18, posted images of himself online with what appeared to be a handgun, a rifle, and a tactical style vest
• Anderson, from Lutz, Florida, captioned the picture: 'Hey Siri, directions to the nearest school'
• On Sunday the teenager was arrested and charged with making a written or electronic threat to conduct a mass shooting or act of terrorism
• He faces 15 years in prison if convicted, and a $10,000 fine - even though the guns were only airsoft weapons

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ng-pictures-rifle-seeking-nearest-school.html

 

[Lanny]

Every fucking asshole republican politician in Texas said that.

We have gone way past “legitimate conversation” when someone goes into a school that HAD armed guards, murdered multiple children while some of those children FRANTICALLY called 911. The only problem is the FUCKING police officers were too scared to go after him because he had AN ASSAULT RIFLE.

The number and size of exits are determined to facilitate the exit of occupants in case of emergencies such as a fire. This limits the number of occupants that the fire department will allow you to have. In addition small and young children require even more exits than adults.
You can't reduce the number of exits unless you want to chance little children being burned alive in a fire. No, reducing the number of exits would be the result of people who know nothing or care nothing about safety.

 

[Lanny]

Now this idiot needs to be arrested and humiliated.

ANOTHER Florida student is arrested on felony charges for posting pictures of himself online with what appeared to be a rifle and the caption: 'Hey Siri, directions to the nearest school'

• Corey Anderson, 18, posted images of himself online with what appeared to be a handgun, a rifle, and a tactical style vest
• Anderson, from Lutz, Florida, captioned the picture: 'Hey Siri, directions to the nearest school'
• On Sunday the teenager was arrested and charged with making a written or electronic threat to conduct a mass shooting or act of terrorism
• He faces 15 years in prison if convicted, and a $10,000 fine - even though the guns were only airsoft weapons

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ng-pictures-rifle-seeking-nearest-school.html

I learned at Tektronix, and was further supported in that at Boeing, that ridicule is a bad way of teaching someone. You take them aside in private and explain the logic in changing their ways much like you should teach children.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The number and size of exits are determined to facilitate the exit of occupants in case of emergencies such as a fire. This limits the number of occupants that the fire department will allow you to have. In addition small and young children require even more exits than adults.
You can't reduce the number of exits unless you want to chance little children being burned alive in a fire. No, reducing the number of exits would be the result of people who know nothing or care nothing about safety.

Exactly