Fuck this healthcare Reform...

[Denny Crane]

What is even more weird about this issue, is there are so few that give shit!

Roberts got it right to the degree that people did give a shit and either stayed home or voted against those who voted for the law.

 

[barfo]

65% of existing policies to see an increase in premiums greater than the rate of inflation (they say 4%).

Good news!

Heath insurance has been going up at a rate greater than inflation for many years. You know that perfectly well, so...

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Heath insurance has been going up at a rate greater than inflation for many years. You know that perfectly well, so...

barfo

So I was told my insurance would go down by $2500 a year.

You know that perfectly well.

Why do you support the lies?

 

[MarAzul]

Roberts got it right to the degree that people did give a shit and either stayed home or voted against those who voted for the law.

I agree with that and it is also why I think he will not punt again. I was thinking about how so few people actually express any concern that the liberal machine set them up and feed them bullshit.
You, me, and max only count as a few.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/health-premiums-3-065-obama-224300715.html

Health Premiums Up $3,065; Obama Vowed $2,500 Cut

 

[barfo]

So I was told my insurance would go down by $2500 a year.

You know that perfectly well.

Why do you support the lies?

If I post anything misleading or incorrect, I expect you to call me out on it. I'll continue to do the same for you.

I am not responsible for anyone else's posts or statements, including but not limited to the President, who never consults me before he speaks.

But I am responsible for my posts, and I expect you to be responsible for yours. "But Johnny lies too" is no defense.

barfo

 

[barfo]

I agree with that and it is also why I think he will not punt again. I was thinking about how so few people actually express any concern that the liberal machine set them up and feed them bullshit.
You, me, and max only count as a few.

Don't worry, the high-pitched screeching you guys emit makes it seem like there are actually more of you than there are.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Don't worry, the high-pitched screeching you guys emit makes it seem like there are actually more of you than there are.

barfo

Yeah, I suppose it does out weigh the muffled brain fart you bring.

 

[Denny Crane]

If I post anything misleading or incorrect, I expect you to call me out on it. I'll continue to do the same for you.

I am not responsible for anyone else's posts or statements, including but not limited to the President, who never consults me before he speaks.

But I am responsible for my posts, and I expect you to be responsible for yours. "But Johnny lies too" is no defense.

barfo

He speaks for you.

You speak for him.

It's like you're a ventriloquist's dummy.

 

[BU54]

And don't forget the many companies eliminating heathcare and telling their employees to go sign up for obummercare.
Where I work they just took away healthcare for the retired employees 65+ That wasn't their promise while they worked for 30-50 years. I'm waiting for them to take away healthcare for all employees.
But don't worry the people that shoveled this shit down our throats(congress)are exempt from obummercare.

 

[MarAzul]

And don't forget the many companies eliminating heathcare and telling their employees to go sign up for obummercare.
Where I work they just took away healthcare for the retired employees 65+ That wasn't their promise while they worked for 30-50 years. I'm waiting for them to take away healthcare for all employees.
But don't worry the people that shoveled this shit down our throats(congress)are exempt from obummercare.

I see you see clearly BU. I am not sure how we get enough to the point they also can see what the liberals have in store for us.

 

[maxiep]

So, for those supporters of the ACA, are you really comfortable with the strategy used to pass it? Reconciliation. Hiding its real impact (higher taxes, wealth transfers, etc.). In other words, in your minds, do the ends of universal health insurance justify the means?

 

[maxiep]

Luckily for me, I possess much of the same background and many of the same degrees as does Prof. Gruber. Therefore, I can look upon all you simpletons with the same disdain. Accept that people like me, Prof. Gruber and other members of the Administration are simply your betters. We know what's better for you than do you. Accept our rule and thank us for our wisdom.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/392500/smarter-thou-ian-tuttle

 

[barfo]

Luckily for me, I possess much of the same background and many of the same degrees as does Prof. Gruber. Therefore, I can look upon all you simpletons with the same disdain. Accept that people like me, Prof. Gruber and other members of the Administration are simply your betters. We know what's better for you than do you. Accept our rule and thank us for our wisdom.

But... you and prof. Gruber disagree! Bzzzt.... the gods are at war... bzzt...does not compute... does not compute... must self destruct.

barfo

 

[maxiep]

So, for those supporters of the ACA, are you really comfortable with the strategy used to pass it? Reconciliation. Hiding its real impact (higher taxes, wealth transfers, etc.). In other words, in your minds, do the ends of universal health insurance justify the means?

No one is willing to answer this simple question?

Here's another one: What if a repeal of the ACA is passed on reconciliation? Is that legitimate?

 

[barfo]

No one is willing to answer this simple question?

Here's another one: What if a repeal of the ACA is passed on reconciliation? Is that legitimate?

Well, I'll answer you. I'd much rather the bill had been passed by a 'normal' method (the usual bribes, backroom deals, and inclusion of random pork-barrel spending) than the way it was passed.

As for the second question: yes, clearly.

barfo

 

[maxiep]

Amen, Ron Fournier

http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/obamacare-s-foundation-of-lies-20141112

 

[MarAzul]

Luckily for me, I possess much of the same background and many of the same degrees as does Prof. Gruber. Therefore, I can look upon all you simpletons with the same disdain. Accept that people like me, Prof. Gruber and other members of the Administration are simply your betters. We know what's better for you than do you. Accept our rule and thank us for our wisdom.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/392500/smarter-thou-ian-tuttle

Ha! I was at MIT for awhile. Took and econ class too, while I was there doing an engineering project. The engineering types at MIT were fine but the econ types were damn difficult for me to be around. One especially, one moment I thought, I'd like to hand that SOB the ball and play Free Safety! I guess I was lucky not to be down at Princeton where they have the Political Science types at the Woodrow Wilson School

 

[maxiep]

Ha! I was at MIT for awhile. Took and econ class too, while I was there doing an engineering project. The engineering types at MIT were fine but the econ types were damn difficult for me to be around. One especially, one moment I thought, I'd like to hand that SOB the ball and play Free Safety! I guess I was lucky not to be down at Princeton where they have the Political Science types at the Woodrow Wilson School

The biggest difference between me and Prof. Gruber is that he is a saltwater economist, while I'm a freshwater one.

 

[MarAzul]

The biggest difference between me and Prof. Gruber is that he is a saltwater economist, while I'm a freshwater one.

Uh oh! You are an econ? Oh well, no offence intended. I had to look up what the heck you were talking about with the Saltwater, sweetwater stuff. I get it, Berkeley, Harvard, Princeton, and so.

Some how I think it is more than that though, I think the type gravitate to the schools of their center of gravity.

 

[maxiep]

Amazing. So many people on here support the ACA, yet they can't comment on whether or not they approve of the tactics used to pass it.

 

[BrianFromWA]

<----don't like the ACA, or how it happened, and wonder if I should be hoping for the karma of a R-controlled house and senate and (potentially) President in 2016 able to turn this country back to 1950 if they chose.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Amazing. So many people on here support the ACA, yet they can't comment on whether or not they approve of the tactics used to pass it.

As an aside, with the tactics being as widely known. And the most famous of quotes being "You have to pass it to know what is in it." oboma was on the air saying that "the process was transparent and open" yet, still no outcry from the left wing press. I cant wait for some of the post election nastiness that are about to kick in..when the effect is felt by his followers, will they still be sheep?

 

[barfo]

As an aside, with the tactics being as widely known. And the most famous of quotes being "You have to pass it to know what is in it."

Famous, and yet quoted inaccurately and out of context here.

oboma was on the air saying that "the process was transparent and open" yet, still no outcry from the left wing press. I cant wait for some of the post election nastiness that are about to kick in..when the effect is felt by his followers, will they still be sheep?

What 'post election nastiness' are you expecting?

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Famous, and yet quoted inaccurately and out of context here.



What 'post election nastiness' are you expecting?

barfo

It would say he faithfully quoted the ex speaker.
[video=youtube;NvSkeJbQy74]
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...health-care-bill-so-you-can-find-out-whats-it

 

[Denny Crane]

It seems the veto proof do nothing congress did nothing when it came to reading the bill before voting on it. Even then, they didn't actually vote on the bill that became law.

The quote may be only a little out of context. Most of congress, as well as the people, had not idea the extent we are all being screwed. Pass the vasoline.

 

[Denny Crane]

Let them eat cake!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/another-rude-obamacare-surprise-awaits-182039738.html

 

[barfo]

It would say he faithfully quoted the ex speaker.

Then your attention to detail is dangerously lacking for someone building a ocean-going boat.

Pelosi says in the video: "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

DaLincolnJones says: "You have to pass it to know what is in it."

That is not an accurate quote.

There are multiple differences there, beyond just the obvious. First of all, there's a period in DaLincolnJones' version - that wasn't actually the end of Pelosi's sentence, but of course it doesn't sound as bad if you include the entire sentence (much less the context of the speech).

Secondly, the difference between "You have to pass it" and "We have to pass it". The fact is, Pelosi wasn't speaking to her fellow house members, urging them to pass the bill without reading it. She was speaking to an outside group, saying that Congress had to pass it before others were going to find out what was really in it (because, she was implying, the actual contents of the bill were being obscured by the controversy).

Here's the full sentence with slightly more context.

“You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention — it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Let them eat cake!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/another-rude-obamacare-surprise-awaits-182039738.html

The premise of that article is pretty hilarious. "No one has ever heard of Obamacare! And it's coming! Oh my god, why didn't someone tell us!"

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Then your attention to detail is dangerously lacking for someone building a ocean-going boat.

Pelosi says in the video: "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

DaLincolnJones says: "You have to pass it to know what is in it."

That is not an accurate quote.

There are multiple differences there, beyond just the obvious. First of all, there's a period in DaLincolnJones' version - that wasn't actually the end of Pelosi's sentence, but of course it doesn't sound as bad if you include the entire sentence (much less the context of the speech).

Secondly, the difference between "You have to pass it" and "We have to pass it". The fact is, Pelosi wasn't speaking to her fellow house members, urging them to pass the bill without reading it. She was speaking to an outside group, saying that Congress had to pass it before others were going to find out what was really in it (because, she was implying, the actual contents of the bill were being obscured by the controversy).

Here's the full sentence with slightly more context.



barfo

Sigh! As obnoxious as Gruber is, he was correct with some of his observations.