Game Thread GAME# 10: RAPTORS @ BLAZERS - JANUARY 11, 2021 - MONDAY, 7:00 PM, NBCSNW

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Predict the Blazer who will score 50 points first this season.

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handiman said:
It feels like the sky has fallen every other game, but we're only one loss behind the best record in the league.
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Most years, but especially this year, everyone needs to learn to ride the waves and not freak out so much! I still think this is a team that will win 43ish games, beating and losing to teams they shouldn't. Not uncommon for teams with our talent level.
 
Love how Melo stepped up. Would not have won without him. Glad Stotts doesn't read this forum during the game when everybody was wanting him to yank Melo. Gritty ass win we might not have deserved. Maybe makes up for an earlier loss we didn't deserve?
 
kjironman1 said:
Pretty much the same win Golden State got from them last night. The Raptors are not a bad team. They have just been on the road most of the beginning of the season.
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They are playing in Tampa as “home.” Every game is a road game for them this year as they’re living in a hotels and away from their homes in Toronto. First the Bubble and now Tampa. That can’t be easy for 62 more games away from home.
 
THE HCP said:
Love how Melo stepped up. Would not have won without him. Glad Stotts doesn't read this forum during the game when everybody was wanting him to yank Melo. Gritty ass win we might not have deserved. Maybe makes up for an earlier loss we didn't deserve?
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Would we have needed him to step up in the 4th if he hadn’t played such a huge role in putting us in that hole in the first place?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Would we have needed him to step up in the 4th if he hadn’t played such a huge role in putting us in that hole in the first place?
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But that’s just it, he DID! We got a W. Him, CJ and Kanter stepped up. Nobody on the Suns did tonight, and they lost to a G-league team at best.
We did not lose this game thanks to this old ass man making the vet minimum. We have one less loss than the Lakers!!!
 
BonesJones said:
No it's not. We were a -10 with him and only down 5.
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Your original statement was "Blazers were 15 points better with Melo off the floor than with him in the game during the first half."
Anthony entered the game with the Blazers down 8-13 and Nurk heading to the locker room injured. He left the game down 15 with the Blazers down 58-43 with 2:35 left in the second. Kanter came back in for him.
Now if you wanted to say they were 10 points better i could not argue against that at all. But fact remains he was playing center when the team needed the position covered and they stayed in the game and were down 15 when he went off the court. That is 10 point difference not 15 points better with a player off the court? The raptors gave up 4 fouls and 5 free throws with a minutes left. Couple those with a Lillard driving layin that went and he finally got a call and a Kater put back in the last 30 seconds with a foul on RoCo on a missed free throw. You can make what ever assessment you want of that but that still would not be a fair assessment of what Melo did on the court. Give the guy credit for a game that he filled in and gave the team something Giles could never have done.

So yeah the original statement is "False".
 
RoseCityRebel said:
They are playing in Tampa as “home.” Every game is a road game for them this year as they’re living in a hotels and away from their homes in Toronto. First the Bubble and now Tampa. That can’t be easy for 62 more games away from home.
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International protocols are crazy. At least they get to go back to "What they call Home" and play 8 of the next 10 there with no travel in between. Their schedule to this point has been absolutely brutal with travel after every game they have played. This season the "Home Court" is empty so the real disadvantage is the travel and health protocols. I believe they have a practice facility available in Tampa so i would look for them to improve greatly. That team will be very tough to beat before this season is over.
 
kjironman1 said:
Your original statement was "Blazers were 15 points better with Melo off the floor than with him in the game during the first half."
Anthony entered the game with the Blazers down 8-13 and Nurk heading to the locker room injured. He left the game down 15 with the Blazers down 58-43 with 2:35 left in the second. Kanter came back in for him.
Now if you wanted to say they were 10 points better i could not argue against that at all. But fact remains he was playing center when the team needed the position covered and they stayed in the game and were down 15 when he went off the court. That is 10 point difference not 15 points better with a player off the court? The raptors gave up 4 fouls and 5 free throws with a minutes left. Couple those with a Lillard driving layin that went and he finally got a call and a Kater put back in the last 30 seconds with a foul on RoCo on a missed free throw. You can make what ever assessment you want of that but that still would not be a fair assessment of what Melo did on the court. Give the guy credit for a game that he filled in and gave the team something Giles could never have done.

So yeah the original statement is "False".
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Idk what's confusing to you math wise. He was a -10 at half. We were a -5 at halftime. We're consistently far, far better without him on the court. You're asking me to give credit for his 4th quarter based on something I said at halftime.
 
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BonesJones said:
Idk what's confusing to you math wise. He was a -10 at half. We were a -5 at halftime. We're consistently far, far better without him on the court. You're asking me to give credit for his 4th quarter based on something I said at halftime.
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The original statement didn't say that.
BonesJones said:
He was a -10 at half. We were a -5 at halftime.
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If you would have said that i would have no problem with that statement. Though it would be obtuse to not add the weird ending to the half.
Lets flip it. They were down 5 and when he left they were down 15. That is 10 points. Seems my math works a bit better.
Does that at all tell you what happened on the court? You are the first person to say "It's more than just stats".
Melo gets a win share for not just what he did in the last 5 mins but for what he provided all game. Awesome set ups to both CJ and Trent that simply didn't fall from three. Blocked shots and steals not to mention picks that helped CJ. Rebounds this team sorely needed at crucial times leading to transition baskets that kept them within 10-12 points.
If your whole idea of value is +/- stats then you are completely missing the game. Time for you to take a step back and start simply watching basketball again. Analyzing everything will have you missing the greatness you are witnessing. Melo played a good game last night. It's that simple.
Hope you enjoyed the win. They will need it this year.
 
Melo is a tough question, on the one hand i really like him he seems like a great guy for team chemistry and the locker room and i really appreciate that a guy with his name choose to come back to small market Portland. On the other hand in 90% percent of the games he's a minus player and a huge liability on defense. I thought he would get not more than 15 minutes per game, i didn't think that he would play that many minutes
 
Jones has to take more than 3 shots. I wish we would run some plays for him to post up down low more. Probably more auto than Nurk as he can jump over and score or get fouled. Melo imo got Jones's minutes last night which was fine as he scored form and was aggressive on O.
 
Hoopguru said:
Jones has to take more than 3 shots. I wish we would run some plays for him to post up down low more. Probably more auto than Nurk as he can jump over and score or get fouled. Melo imo got Jones's minutes last night which was fine as he scored form and was aggressive on O.
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We had the same problem with Curry, he was a great shooter and his shot was automatic but he wasn't really involved in the offense.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Nice win but a couple of things bugged the hell out of me.



The second was the last play of the game. Aren't those types of situations the perfect scenario for Jones to be in the game?
I don't hate Stotts as much as most, but he drives me crazy when he refuses to play his best 5 defenders in the closing seconds of a game.
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To me it shows a lack of attention to detail and a lack of retrospection. Possibly a reluctance to give up any control. Doesn't a good coach look back and say "Yes, I should have put Jones in there" and then admitting to himself he can't cover everything in the heat of the moment and then assigning an assistant coach to remind him of things like that.
 
Interesting to me that every Toronto forward shot over 50% last night and none of their guards did.

I know some will say it because our forwards leave their man to help our guards and that may be true but our guards also leave their man to help the forwards. Either way, it continues to be an issue.
 
BonesJones said:
Idk what's confusing to you math wise. He was a -10 at half. We were a -5 at halftime. We're consistently far, far better without him on the court. You're asking me to give credit for his 4th quarter based on something I said at halftime.
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What you guys don’t understand is we could’ve been even worse without him during time. You know, -10 with him but -20 during that time without. That’s why +/- means nothing.
 
KingSpeed said:
What you guys don’t understand is we could’ve been even worse without him during time. You know, -10 with him but -20 during that time without. That’s why +/- means nothing.
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I do like to look at that stat but I agree that it does not tell the whole story. It is more of a summary of the unit the player is in the game with.
 
Tince said:
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Where are these numbers coming from?

They are 8th - 11th in offense in most of calculations I'm looking at. 23rd in defense.

http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats
https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_ratings.html

NBA.com has them 4th and 23rd respectively:

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

NBA.com doesn't disclose how they calculate offensive rating, but Hollinger's stat for Offensive efficiency is just points per 100 possessions, which makes the most sense to me. That has us at 10th.
 
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