Game Thread GAME# 15: BLAZERS @ PELICANS - NOVEMBER 19, 2019 - TUESDAY, 5:00 PM, NBATV & NBCSNW

[TBpup]

Blazers now #14 in the West and #8 in the Lottery standings....but they are REALLY close to being #5.

 

[OneSport3]

Game 14 and we are at
"Total Rebuild"
Someone on this board actually gave me a hard time for predicting this.
Que up the "It's not that they are losing...." "It's the WAY they are losing"

Seriously i could not have called this any more exact.

Good for you. Give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back.

 

[Tince]

I know you're being sarcastic but Tolliver, Mario, and Gasol aren't eligible to be traded for 4 more weeks still so even if there was interest in them there is no way to trade them until December 15th.

Before you say "yeah right", Olshey traded Stauskas and Baldwin along with a couple 2nd round picks for Hood last season. Something similar can still happen this year.

I know everything I pointed out was negative, but I didn't mean to imply Olshey has never made good moves, because he certainly has made some fantastic ones. However, his two big summers (2016 and 2019) have been major whiffs.

 

[kjironman1]

Anyone have the clip where Moore blows two gimmes under the basket but then scores anyways?

He did this against Whiteside. Not exactly sure how he pulled that off?

 

[kjironman1]

Good for you. Give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back.

I just did.

 

[OneSport3]

I just did.

 

[bobf]

So we're comparing an incomplete team to one that had the benefit of trades and the buyout market?

So I excluded Dame, CJ, Nurk, Collins since they are on both teams. Also excluded Kanter, Hood.

Aminu, Harkless, Turner, Layman, Curry, Leonard
Whiteside, Bazemore, Hezonja, Tolliver, Melo, Skal, Pau

Weighted by total minutes played on Blazers. Gave Pau & Melo max minutes same as Whiteside.

Weighted Average BPM & RPM from 2018-2019 season (Melo two years).
Last year's team -0.27
This year's team -1.43 (corrected from -1.17 copying mistake)

That's about 7 win difference for an 82 game season.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

This team is loaded with talent. Clearly teams are blowing up the Blazers' phone lines to obtain Tolliver, Mario, Whiteside, Baze, and Gasol (all of Olshey's off-season additions). Melo is also clearly a huge asset as well given no team would touch him for a year.

It's certainly no less than what the Pelicans had on the floor tonight. Yet they handed it to us tonight.

Also, I'd rather have Rodney Hood and Zach Collins as our starting forwards than Mo Harkless and Aminu. I think Olshey had a very good summer. Injuries happened and our coach is an imbecile. Olshey gets blame for that too.

 

[Tince]

It's certainly no less than what the Pelicans had on the floor tonight. Yet they handed it to us tonight.

Also, I'd rather have Rodney Hood and Zach Collins as our starting forwards than Mo Harkless and Aminu. I think Olshey had a very good summer. Injuries happened and our coach is an imbecile. Olshey gets blame for that too.

I'm 100% with you that Collins being hurt is having an impact on the season.

However, Olshey made 5 acquisitions in an attempt to put us over the top and not one of them has been great. No matter how much you may want to blame the constants from the team that got to the WCF, it's the changes (and injuries) that have been the biggest liabilties this year.

 

[Blazers1977]

I'm 100% with you that Collins being hurt is having an impact on the season.

However, Olshey made 5 acquisitions in an attempt to put us over the top and not one of them has been great. No matter how much you may want to blame the constants from the team that got to the WCF, it's the changes (and injuries) that have been the biggest liabilties this year.

If you wanna say the transactions in the off season sucked, remember Lillard co-signed all of the transactions this off season. He didn’t demand that the team resign Aminu, Kanter, Mo, or Meyers when we could have done so, and the team would have listened to him. You won’t here anyone here criticizing Lillard for not going to bat for his former teammates, though.

Did Lillard really appreciate, for example, the defense Aminu brought to the team? Or, has his superstar life style thrown off his perception a bit? There has definitely been a shift in his attitude since he got his insanely big contract in the direction of cockiness. His music has changed and is noticeably less humble. He considers himself more of a celebrity now.

I remember Lillard saying “we got better” after many of the transactions had just occurred in the off-season. He didn’t really pay any respect to the departing players during this interview and he dismissed concerns about the talent the team lost with Aminu etc.

it’s not all on Olshey and Stotts. The whole team is responsible for the success of the team, and Lillard deserves some significant blame as the leader of our team for our current woes.

 

[AldoTrapani]

If you wanna say the transactions in the off season sucked, remember Lillard co-signed all of the transactions this off season. He didn’t demand that the team resign Aminu, Kanter, Mo, or Meyers when we could have done so, and the team would have listened to him. You won’t here anyone here criticizing Lillard for not going to bat for his former teammates, though.

Did Lillard really appreciate, for example, the defense Aminu brought to the team? Or, has his superstar life style thrown off his perception a bit? There has definitely been a shift in his attitude since he got his insanely big contract in the direction of cockiness. His music has changed and is noticeably less humble. He considers himself more of a celebrity now.

I remember Lillard saying “we got better” after many of the transactions had just occurred in the off-season. He didn’t really pay any respect to the departing players during this interview and he dismissed concerns about the talent the team lost with Aminu etc.

it’s not all on Olshey and Stotts. The whole team is responsible for the success of the team, and Lillard deserves some significant blame as the leader of our team for our current woes.

He sure did. Lillard was clearly happy by the “improvements” we made.

I understand injuries happen but Zach Collins going down isn’t the difference between the expectations we had for this season if he was healthy and being one of the worst teams in the NBA record wise.

 

[Titan]

So maybe new plan is now to out tank the Warriors?
http://www.tankathon.com/

 

[Tince]

If you wanna say the transactions in the off season sucked, remember Lillard co-signed all of the transactions this off season. He didn’t demand that the team resign Aminu, Kanter, Mo, or Meyers when we could have done so, and the team would have listened to him. You won’t here anyone here criticizing Lillard for not going to bat for his former teammates, though.

Did Lillard really appreciate, for example, the defense Aminu brought to the team? Or, has his superstar life style thrown off his perception a bit? There has definitely been a shift in his attitude since he got his insanely big contract in the direction of cockiness. His music has changed and is noticeably less humble. He considers himself more of a celebrity now.

I remember Lillard saying “we got better” after many of the transactions had just occurred in the off-season. He didn’t really pay any respect to the departing players during this interview and he dismissed concerns about the talent the team lost with Aminu etc.

it’s not all on Olshey and Stotts. The whole team is responsible for the success of the team, and Lillard deserves some significant blame as the leader of our team for our current woes.

I say this in many threads, and I'll say it again:

I'm not going to pretend like I know what happens behind closed doors. What coaches and players (like Lillard) say to the media after a transaction should always be taken with a grain of salt. I think the likilhood of Dame coming out to the media and saying he thought any trade made us worse is zero, for obvious reasons. I don't know if Dame considers himself more of a celebrity or not, but again, that doesn't matter to me. I feel Dame is a better player this year than he was last year, so him being a constant from a WCF team, I don't think whatever change he has made could be the main reason for the win % to fall that far.

We do agree that all parties involved share some responsibility for the succes of the team; not all posters on here seem to feel that way. In terms of roster make-up, Olshey is responsible for that, as that is his job. There are only two people in the organization above him that I suppose you could add in (McGowen & Jody Allen). If we had proof Dame said he wanted to trade Harkless/Meyers for Whiteside, then I guess we could try and hold him accountable, but I do not have those facts. I do recall Dame saying something along the lines that if he had it his way, the team would never change, but again, I don't know if that is truly how he feels or not.

 

[tester551]

Mchale is tearing into our defense

At least someone is...
Just wish Stotts would do it too.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I missed the game. Someone give me a run-down of why we lost. Or are the Pelicans that much better than we are?

 

[blazerkor]

If you wanna say the transactions in the off season sucked, remember Lillard co-signed all of the transactions this off season. He didn’t demand that the team resign Aminu, Kanter, Mo, or Meyers when we could have done so, and the team would have listened to him. You won’t here anyone here criticizing Lillard for not going to bat for his former teammates, though.

Did Lillard really appreciate, for example, the defense Aminu brought to the team? Or, has his superstar life style thrown off his perception a bit? There has definitely been a shift in his attitude since he got his insanely big contract in the direction of cockiness. His music has changed and is noticeably less humble. He considers himself more of a celebrity now.

I remember Lillard saying “we got better” after many of the transactions had just occurred in the off-season. He didn’t really pay any respect to the departing players during this interview and he dismissed concerns about the talent the team lost with Aminu etc.

it’s not all on Olshey and Stotts. The whole team is responsible for the success of the team, and Lillard deserves some significant blame as the leader of our team for our current woes.

I think your take on Dame is way off. It wasn't his idea to retool the team that just got to the WCF. If you think it was him, where is your proof? I think that if he weren't injured right now and if we were winning these games you wouldn't be bashing Dame. This is how it starts, fair weather fans turning on this team's best player and ambassador.

 

[Strenuus]

People blaming Dame dont understand that he is never to blame. Sorry you got fooled. Stotts, olshey, and CJ are to blame. That is all.

As you were.

 

[THE HCP]

I missed the game. Someone give me a run-down of why we lost. Or are the Pelicans that much better than we are?

Why didn’t you just record it?

 

[royo]

If you wanna say the transactions in the off season sucked, remember Lillard co-signed all of the transactions this off season. He didn’t demand that the team resign Aminu, Kanter, Mo, or Meyers when we could have done so, and the team would have listened to him. You won’t here anyone here criticizing Lillard for not going to bat for his former teammates, though.

Did Lillard really appreciate, for example, the defense Aminu brought to the team? Or, has his superstar life style thrown off his perception a bit? There has definitely been a shift in his attitude since he got his insanely big contract in the direction of cockiness. His music has changed and is noticeably less humble. He considers himself more of a celebrity now.

I remember Lillard saying “we got better” after many of the transactions had just occurred in the off-season. He didn’t really pay any respect to the departing players during this interview and he dismissed concerns about the talent the team lost with Aminu etc.

it’s not all on Olshey and Stotts. The whole team is responsible for the success of the team, and Lillard deserves some significant blame as the leader of our team for our current woes.

We should trade Lillard for fantom player, so CJ can take more shots.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Aminu and Harkless being here right now wouldn't change a damn thing. We might be a bit better defensively but we'd have even less assists than we do now and we're already last in the league. The talent you have out on the floor matters. But, so does the game plan. We legitimately don't have one on either end of the floor.

 

[bobf]

Why didn’t you just record it?

Blazer games are not only unwatchable they are unrecordable.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Why didn’t you just record it?

Because 1) I don't have anything to record it with, and 2) I'm not paying attention to Blazers scheduling right now with football season in full tilt.

 

[mook]

I wouldn’t be mad if we just shut it down this season. Rest Dame, let Nurk+Collins rehab the whole season, trade CJ, Baze, and Whiteside, fire Stotts, get a stud in the lottery, and build this team correctly.

I don't see any point in firing Stotts. But yeah, at this point I'm starting to feel like we should just shut it down.

I don't know that I can stomach Melo pointing at guys who he's supposed to defend for a full season.

 

[Serbian]

If you wanna say the transactions in the off season sucked, remember Lillard co-signed all of the transactions this off season. He didn’t demand that the team resign Aminu, Kanter, Mo, or Meyers when we could have done so, and the team would have listened to him. You won’t here anyone here criticizing Lillard for not going to bat for his former teammates, though.

Did Lillard really appreciate, for example, the defense Aminu brought to the team? Or, has his superstar life style thrown off his perception a bit? There has definitely been a shift in his attitude since he got his insanely big contract in the direction of cockiness. His music has changed and is noticeably less humble. He considers himself more of a celebrity now.

I remember Lillard saying “we got better” after many of the transactions had just occurred in the off-season. He didn’t really pay any respect to the departing players during this interview and he dismissed concerns about the talent the team lost with Aminu etc.

it’s not all on Olshey and Stotts. The whole team is responsible for the success of the team, and Lillard deserves some significant blame as the leader of our team for our current woes.

Aminu was trash so was harkless. Still glad they are gone

 

[SIeepwalker]

Welcome to Portland Melo, we don't get fouls here sorry

 

[Paine Tablet]

People blaming Dame dont understand that he is never to blame. Sorry you got fooled. Stotts, olshey, and CJ are to blame. That is all.

As you were.

This is what I call denialism. The factual reality is that he bears a ton of responsibility for the direction of the franchise as a max player and as a player who plays the most important role on the court.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Everytime we get our ass kicked by players i never heard of

 

[Blazers1977]

I think your take on Dame is way off. It wasn't his idea to retool the team that just got to the WCF. If you think it was him, where is your proof? I think that if he weren't injured right now and if we were winning these games you wouldn't be bashing Dame. This is how it starts, fair weather fans turning on this team's best player and ambassador.

you mean if we were winning then I wouldn’t be pointing out that dame is partly to blame for losing? Duh

the proof is common sense. The team asks Dame about every move and he has veto power - as do most stars of his caliber. There’s no chance that Olshey would have done these moves if Lillard protested.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Everytime we get our ass kicked by players i never heard of

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The guy in the middle seems familiar

 

[Chris Craig]

The Blazers have become the team everyone knows they can beat. Sad