Game Thread GAME# 16: BLAZERS @ BUCKS - NOVEMBER 21, 2019 - THURSDAY, 5:00 PM, TNT & NBCSNW

[KingSpeed]

DeRozan for CJ swap...

Why?

 

[KingSpeed]

What are you saying that Tolliver had better game then Skals. If you think that you need stop looking at stat because he doesn't mean nothing. If you watch the game Skals out play Toliver and it wasn't even close.

Someone said we played better when Skal was on the floor which is patently false. Skal was awesome but we played better when Tolliver was on the floor. I’m not making this up.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Why hasn't Skal been shooting jumpers this season? His shot is smoooooooth.

The coach discouraged him in training camp. Go pull up some of the interviews. Skal pretty much says in interviews that the staff wants him to hustle, rebound and play defense. That's just a lazy coach who isn't using the capabilities of a player because it takes having to draw up plays for him.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[BonesJones]

Someone said we played better when Skal was on the floor which is patently false. Skal was awesome but we played better when Tolliver was on the floor. I’m not making this up.

Its not because of Skal or Tolliver though. Skal got the privilege of playing more with Simons, Bazemore, and Hezonja, who were a combined 3 for 17.

 

[Tince]

The coach discouraged him in training camp. Go pull up some of the interviews. Skal pretty much says in interviews that the staff wants him to hustle, rebound and play defense. That's just a lazy coach who isn't using the capabilities of a player because it takes having to draw up plays for him.

You really jumped to a conclusion to keep your narrative going. It's just as plausible the coaching staff and Skal already knew he could shoot, but were encouraging him to add extra dimensions to his game. If you have a quote from the coaches or Skal where they told him not to shoot or that he couldn't shoot, I'll stand corrected.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Little's development has been the bright spot of the season.

Stotts needs to stop fucking around with his minutes and his role. He's been terrific. Stop yanking him around you idiot. For Tolliver!???!?!!?

 

[Tince]

Its not because of Skal or Tollivwr though. Skal got the privilege of playing more with Simons, Bazemore, and Hezonja, who were a combined 3 for 17.

Ding ding ding! The flaw of the plus minus, especially in a small sample size. I thought Skal was very solid tonight, I'm sure you agree Bones.

 

[BonesJones]

Ding ding ding! The flaw of the plus minus, especially in a small sample size. I thought Skal was very solid tonight, I'm sure you agree Bones.

Skal was phenomenal!

 

[Sheldon Shape]

You really jumped to a conclusion to keep your narrative going. It's just as plausible the coaching staff and Skal already knew he could shoot, but were encouraging him to add extra dimensions to his game. If you have a quote from the coaches or Skal where they told him not to shoot or that he couldn't shoot, I'll stand corrected.

That's code for don't take any shots and know your role in the offense. There have been many coaches who have said that in the past and that's what it means. He hasn't looked for his shot all season. Tonight a sudden increase. Put 2 and 2 together.

 

[OneSport3]

DeRozan for CJ swap...

Derozan for CJ would be a lateral move.

Holiday for CJ would be nice. At least one of the backcourt would be elite at defense.

 

[Tince]

That's code for don't take any shots and know your role in the offense. There have been many coaches who have said that in the past and that's what it means. He hasn't looked for his shot all season. Tonight a sudden increase. Put 2 and 2 together.

The purpose of codes is to disguise your message. So the new theory is that the coaching staff is trying to disquise what they don't want Skal to do but using a code that he would not be smart enough to figure out, but that us message board folks could easily decode?

Next time Stotts says something dumb, if I tell you it was code for something else, you'd go along with that, right?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The purpose of codes is to disguise your message. So the new theory is that the coaching staff is trying to disquise what they don't want Skal to do but using a code that he would not be smart enough to figure out, but that us message board folks could easily decode?

What does Skal being smart enough to figure it out have anything to do with it? And, when did they tell him they don't want him working on something? They said focus on these tasks. The same ones they asked Thomas Robinson because they didn't know what else to do with him. Problem is, he's more skilled and he showed it tonight. Your anger at me should be placed on the shoulders of the coach who continues to jerk his young players around and give higher priority to trash veterans who wouldn't be playing this much on any other team.

Next time Stotts says something dumb, if I tell you it was code for something else, you'd go along with that, right?

Can't argue with that logic, Gym Jordan. Can't argue with that.

 

[THE HCP]

Some say there is no such thing as a, "good loss"......... I disagree.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Terry Stotts learns nothing from each loss. Just when we see Nassir Little begin to break out, Terry reduces his minutes. Rodney Hood continues to get shot attempts in the single digits despite being incredibly efficient offensively. Terry Stotts is sabotaging the season.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Webber was constantly trashing our offense and our lack of ball movement. Can't say he was wrong.

 

[Orion Bailey]

lmao it’s over fam

we need to worry about next year and use this year as the sacrificial lamb for greater things

made the playoffs a few years ago with a 12-20 start.

 

[kjironman1]

They can’t rebound. They’ll have a tough time beating anybody while they’re getting killed on the boards like that.

I am kind of impressed with Melo on the boards.

 

[BonesJones]

I am kind of impressed with Melo on the boards.

He's certainly better than Hezonja and Little.

 

[kjironman1]

The coach discouraged him in training camp. Go pull up some of the interviews. Skal pretty much says in interviews that the staff wants him to hustle, rebound and play defense. That's just a lazy coach who isn't using the capabilities of a player because it takes having to draw up plays for him.

How do you get "The coach discouraged Him from shooting in training camp" FROM "the Staff wants him to hustle, rebound and play defense" ?

Some of the stuff you read on here is comical.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

For the millionth time, CJ can't be traded until Jan 30th.

Handshake deal

 

[SIeepwalker]

made the playoffs a few years ago with a 12-20 start.

Yeah, they sneaked in the 8th seed and got swept. I'd rather have a good pick than that

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Some say there is no such thing as a, "good loss"......... I disagree.

So you DO like tanking

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Derozan for CJ would be a lateral move.

WORSE than that.

Holiday for CJ would be nice. At least one of the backcourt would be elite at defense.

Love this idea, and it kind of makes sense for NO, or would if Ball was ever healthy.

 

[tester551]

Webber was constantly trashing our offense and our lack of ball movement. Can't say he was wrong.

This message needs to be spread. Most media are just talking heads who repeat what was told to them by someone else....

It's time to challenge the popular narrative

 

[Tince]

What does Skal being smart enough to figure it out have anything to do with it? And, when did they tell him they don't want him working on something? They said focus on these tasks. The same ones they asked Thomas Robinson because they didn't know what else to do with him. Problem is, he's more skilled and he showed it tonight. Your anger at me should be placed on the shoulders of the coach who continues to jerk his young players around and give higher priority to trash veterans who wouldn't be playing this much on any other team.

Can't argue with that logic, Gym Jordan. Can't argue with that.

First, I should apologize if I made you think I'm angry with you, because I'm not. I can disagree with someone without being angry with them.

Your logic still seems greatly flawed. Encouraging someone to work on a specific skill-set does not automatically mean you are telling them to not use any of their other developed skill-sets. It simply might mean they can really score the ball, and want to get them to a more adaquate level on defense and creating for others.

Bringing Thomas Robinson into this as proof the coaching staff didn't know how to use him is an odd strategy. The guy played for 6 teams in 5 years and then was out of the league. So all 6 coaching staffs didn't know use him properly or he was unwilling to develop a well rounded game?

 

[James lamphear]

Someone said we played better when Skal was on the floor which is patently false. Skal was awesome but we played better when Tolliver was on the floor. I’m not making this up.

Toliver play with the 1st unit and Skals play with the 2nd unit. Now 1st overall play better then 2nd unit there where your difference in +/-. But the 2nd unit the ones got us back in the game. That stat depends on who you play with when that unit it helps your +/-. But overall Skals out perform Toliver at both ends and the stats say so and just watching the game you can see who out play there other.

 

[James lamphear]

He's certainly better than Hezonja and Little.

To me Little best position will be small town even though he doing pretty good job filling at power forward.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah, they sneaked in the 8th seed and got swept. I'd rather have a good pick than that

I don't disagree, but just pointing out some facts.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yeah, they sneaked in the 8th seed and got swept. I'd rather have a good pick than that

Well, two things about that season:

1) Nurk got hurt and in the playoffs Vonleh and Leonard were like our only healthy bigs. Much like this current team if healthy they would've been a team no one wanted to play in the playoffs. In fact the one game Nurk played in that series on one leg showed how much different they'd be if he was playing.

2) Unlike that season, there isn't a team outside of maybe the Clippers that the Blazers couldn't beat in the playoffs. So if the Blazers are playing great with a somewhat healthy roster there's no reason to believe they can't go on a run.