Game Thread GAME# 23: BLAZERS @ SPURS - DECEMBER 2, 2018 - SUNDAY, 4:00 PM, NBCSNW

[hoopsjock]

Our crowd isn’t the same anymore I feel like.

It’s not as loud and intimidating. Add the home court advantage we couldn’t even utilize, it feels like we lose more often at home the last couple years than years past

How many games do you go to?

 

[tester551]

Just curious, do number of attempts matter or do the results play any part of it?

Combined they shot 23/50 which is 46% and had 61 points which is good for 1.22 points per shot. Those numbers, while not really good or anything, are still decent. Dame also had 10 assists with only 1 turnover which is phenomenal.

I guess I just don't understand on a night where the defense was the entire reason for losing (I'm sorry you're just wrong if you think otherwise), that a stat like how many FG's our two guards took has any relevancy.

By the way, you are doing that crap again where you round up to make your point look better. 50/86 is 58.1%.

The results of the plays most definitely matter. The rest of the team shot 22/36 which is 61% and had 57 points which is good for 1.58 points per shot.... All better efficiency than what Dame/CJ put up.

Poor defense is why we lost the game, but your justification for how ball dominate Dame & CJ are is a little off base.

***EDIT*** For the record, I'm less concerned about Dame. He generally maintains his efficiency while having a high volume. I do think there are typically 2-3 shots per game that Dame takes that I wish he'd cut out of his game.

CJ on the other hand has high volume, but average efficiency (at best). He's not good enough on offense to demand that level of volume. He's also not good enough on defense to be 'untouchable' on this team. ***END EDIT***

 

[Rozay]

How many games do you go to?

About 3-4 a year

 

[hoopsjock]

The results of the plays most definitely matter. The rest of the team shot 22/36 which is 61% and had 57 points which is good for 1.58 points per shot.... All better efficiency than what Dame/CJ put up.

Poor defense is why we lost the game, but your justification for how ball dominate Dame & CJ are is a little off base.

***EDIT*** For the record, I'm less concerned about Dame. He generally maintains his efficiency while having a high volume. I do think there are typically 2-3 shots per game that Dame takes that I wish he'd cut out of his game.

CJ on the other hand has high volume, but average efficiency (at best). He's not good enough on offense to demand that level of volume. He's also not good enough on defense to be 'untouchable' on this team. ***END EDIT***

Is the rest of the team good enough to warrant a higher volume? Are they efficient because they are better shooters or are they efficient because Dame and CJ's abilities to score leaves them better opportunities? Would you not agree that Dame and CJ along with the rest of the team putting up those types of offensive numbers (not choosing one over the other) should be enough offensively to win games? I was responding directly to a comment implying that we lost the game because Dame and CJ took 50 of 86 shots with no mention of defense.

We'd be a 60 win team with those offensive numbers combined with a top-10 defense. If you want to argue that it's really hard or impossible to do because of Dame and CJ's defense then I can definitely see a logical point there. However, I don't think this team's problem is that Dame and CJ take too many shots. They can for sure improve their shot selection or get their shots more within the flow of the offense (I talked about this after the Nuggets game) but a lot of people think this team has an overall talent problem and some of those same people also then complain that our two best scorers shoot too much. I just think it's a little misguided after a game like last night where our 2nd unit and our defense were absolutely dreadful.

 

[DUB]

Well at least we helped someone out.

One bet on an NBA game has helped a punter pocket half a million dollars

The punter decided to throw caution to the wind with a ridiculous nine-leg multi on the Portland Trail Blazers vs San Antonio Spurs game.

Combining nine player prop bets on the one game, the punter parted with $200 on the bet at sky-high odds of $2501 with Sportsbet.

Included in the bet were four bets on Blazers players and five on Spurs players with miraculously every leg getting the job done.

Unfortunately this wasn't me.

 

[H.C.]

But i also watched that dude shut down the Blazers pick n roll time and time again.
I also know they employ a thing called the pick n pop.
So you saying offense wasn't the problem is completely discounting his defense that he played against the Blazers. When the Blazers hit shots they can get back and set up on defense. So when they go 5 to 7 minutes clanking shots and giving up long rebounds the Spurs went right down and punished them. Absolutely nothing stops your defense more than a missed shot and turnaround basket. Every team in the league runs Pick n Roll. Why? Because it's the toughest thing to guard in basketball. When run correctly it almost cannot be guarded. But when you have your defense set you can mitigate it and make the other team take a contested shot. The Blazers were not doing that well. The Spurs were. Most of those problems were because they were caught off guard and out of position in transition. Because they missed the shot on the other end! Now stop trying to analyze shit and simply watch a game.

Literally SMH!

Having a true Power Forward that can guard Pick n Rolls and can actually run one while being able hit an outside shot would help this team. What is so hard for you to understand about that?
You might think this was a good talk but really this has been a forced class on basic principals. The fact of the matter is Aldridge was the best big on the floor last night. The Blazers didn't need DeRozan. They needed a Power Forward that isn't a bench 3 and D player.

Take your pick. Nurk or Aldridge. Aldridge played the 5 last night for the majority of his minutes. Not the 4. He's even listed as the C for the Spurs.

Portland got shit on on small to small P&R last night.
Not small to big.

I just can't this is so stupid.
Giving up 131 points? No problem, just need to score 132!!

Jesus. thought I could handle you off block, I was wrong.

 

[kjironman1]

Take your pick. Nurk or Aldridge. Aldridge played the 5 last night for the majority of his minutes. Not the 4. He's even listed as the C for the Spurs.

Portland got shit on on small to small P&R last night.
Not small to big.

I just can't this is so stupid.
Giving up 131 points? No problem, just need to score 132!!

Jesus. thought I could handle you off block, I was wrong.

So you want to make it even easier huh?
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might understand on the Blazers Aldridge would be a PF but lets do the simple math on Nurk vs Aldridge.
Nurk 16 points 8 rebs no blocks and a steal with 5 ast
Aldridge 29 points 8 rebs 1 block and a steal with 3 ast.
Lets give Nurk 4 extra points for those extra assist numbers and call it 20 points even.
Take 9 points from the Spurs and give it to the Blazers.
Spurs 122
Blazers 127
Game set match dude. See ya next time.
Instead of spending your time on a game thread try watching a game. There are way more things going on than what people are complaining about on a game thread. Last night without question Aldridge was the best player on the court.
All i ever said was if the Blazers had Aldridge they would be way better off. Tell me you can understand that if they had a player like Aldridge as a Power Forward on the roster with Dame CJ and Nurk playing center they would be considered a contender. It doesn't take analytics to figure that out. That team would be dominant. Without question.
And before you go all "But how could they afford him with their cap space". That was not and will never be a question because it was a simple statement without any other thought to it. Simply that if they had Aldridge on the roster they would be a much better team.

 

[BonesJones]

So you want to make it even easier huh?
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might understand on the Blazers Aldridge would be a PF but lets do the simple math on Nurk vs Aldridge.
Nurk 16 points 8 rebs no blocks and a steal with 5 ast
Aldridge 29 points 8 rebs 1 block and a steal with 3 ast.
Lets give Nurk 4 extra points for those extra assist numbers and call it 20 points even.
Take 9 points from the Spurs and give it to the Blazers.
Spurs 122
Blazers 127
Game set match dude. See ya next time.
Instead of spending your time on a game thread try watching a game. There are way more things going on than what people are complaining about on a game thread. Last night without question Aldridge was the best player on the court.
All i ever said was if the Blazers had Aldridge they would be way better off. Tell me you can understand that if they had a player like Aldridge as a Power Forward on the roster with Dame CJ and Nurk playing center they would be considered a contender. It doesn't take analytics to figure that out. That team would be dominant. Without question.
And before you go all "But how could they afford him with their cap space". That was not and will never be a question because it was a simple statement without any other thought to it. Simply that if they had Aldridge on the roster they would be a much better team.

So how does switching Nurk out for Aldridge mean we're give up 9 less points? Lmao.

 

[kjironman1]

So how does switching Nurk out for Aldridge mean we're give up 9 less points? Lmao.

I agree. I should have done that entire last post in green font. Matter of fact i think i'll change it! It seems to be what he wants to compare them to.
I simply made a post that said the team could use Aldridge right about now. He went all off the hook about defense and Pick n Roll and how the team doesn't need scoring.
It was a simple post with a simple meaning.
If the Blazers had Aldridge right now they would be a better team. There is no question in my mind about that. You put Aldridge as this teams Power Forward with Dame, CJ, and Nurkic and they are in the mix.

 

[BonesJones]

I agree. I should have done that entire last post in green font. Matter of fact i think i'll change it! It seems to be what he wants to compare them to.
I simply made a post that said the team could use Aldridge right about now. He went all off the hook about defense and Pick n Roll and how the team doesn't need scoring.
It was a simple post with a simple meaning.
If the Blazers had Aldridge right now they would be a better team. There is no question in my mind about that. You put Aldridge as this teams Power Forward with Dame, CJ, and Nurkic and they are in the mix.

Hes not seeing though.. Aldridge wouldn't fix any of our current issues, just make them slightly easier to overcome.

 

[kjironman1]

Hes not seeing though.. Aldridge wouldn't fix any of our current issues, just make them slightly easier to overcome.

Honestly i can't even argue about that. Aldridge was always soft at times. But to have that kind of presence would stop long droughts where they go scoreless. He can slow play down and become the Power Forward that this team could use. So saying He wouldn't fix any of their current issue i have to disagree with you on. This team needs a real Power Forward.
Again. This is just my opinion. Not gonna go into all the stats and figures. Aldridge numbers have been gone over and picked across for years. We know what he is and what he brings.