Game Thread GAME# 36: WARRIORS @ BLAZERS - DECEMBER 29, 2018 - SATURDAY, 7:00 PM, NBATV & NBCSNW

[blazerkor]

CJ is underutilized? That makes no sense. He's shooting 19.0 FGs per 36, compared to 19.9 for Dame. How many shots should he be taking...? He gets the ultimate freedom to do whatever he wants.

Zach needs to be used differently. Doesnt mean we should trade him.

I think Zach coupled with CJ and picks could get us someone like Anthony Davis. Regardless I don't see Zach as a great complementary piece next to Dame and Nurk.

 

[blazerkor]

Neil would rather trade his dick than trade CJ or Collins.

Then Neil should trade his dick along with CJ and Zach. Maybe that would get us Anthony Davis.

 

[TBpup]

CJ is not at his best next to Dame. That's all I was saying in regards to McCollum. He could be better used in a different offense. We need spot up shooters that spread the court not iso scorers like CJ.

Which is why I think CJ would really blossom elsewhere.

 

[riverman]

I've been saying since we drafted him that CJ would be 6man of the year in the Jamal Crawford role...he's like a younger Mo Williams who also loved to chuck on the run. I think one other poster here agreed with me back then...now it's good to see more folks take that view

 

[blazerkor]

Which is why I think CJ would really blossom elsewhere.

He would. CJ's not a bad player, he just doesn't compliment Dame well. CJ would be a good second scoring option to a post or first scoring option to half the teams in the league. I just don't think he's good next to Dame in Stotts' offense and definitely not in his defense.

 

[illmatic99]

Zach has much more value as a developmental piece than as a trade piece. People think he has a ton of trade value, but I doubt he has any more than Frank Ntilikina, Bam Adebeyo, OG Anunoby, or others from his class.

We missed out on trading him the first month or so of the season. Aren't gonna get shit for value now

 

[blazerkor]

Zach has much more value as a developmental piece than as a trade piece. People think he has a ton of trade value, but I doubt he has any more than Frank Ntilikina, Bam Adebeyo, OG Anunoby, or others from his class.

If we can see value in Zach's development, then so can other teams. I think he has as much if not more value than Bam, and that's good trade value now. Coupled with CJ that could bring in nice value. Those two coupled with picks could bring epic value.

 

[hoopsjock]

Honestly, I don't see Baldwin or Layman being worse than Turner at this point.....and so much less expensive.

Careful, I suggested this several weeks ago and was told that would be considered tanking.

 

[blazerkor]

Careful, I suggested this several weeks ago and was told that would be considered tanking.

I especially like Layman over Turner. I think the best option, that wouldn't be tanking, is to find a suitable trade partner and trade Turner by the deadline. He's obviously not best utilized by us.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[stampedehero]

ANd my favorite...

ANd my favorite...

I followed this band from the airplane to the last version. Since I'm a bass player, Jack Cassidy was one of my icons. I saw the airplane in Asbury Park Convention center in 67. Craig Chiquito is an excellent guitarist and worth your interest.

 

[LayneStaley]

My dream would be to have Klay and Dame in the backcourt together. I love his D....and the PDX connection.

 

[THE HCP]

could be he got dumped by someone he loved..who knows

You rang FAMS?

 

[Darkwebs]

The man has mad skillz.

 

[borim69]

I've been saying since we drafted him that CJ would be 6man of the year in the Jamal Crawford role...he's like a younger Mo Williams who also loved to chuck on the run. I think one other poster here agreed with me back then...now it's good to see more folks take that view

I thought he would have a better role like Ginoboli did with the Spurs and get a guy who can play defense to start the game. This might make him a better player all around but I don't know if this would kill his ego or not

 

[borim69]

I followed this band from the airplane to the last version. Since I'm a bass player, Jack Cassidy was one of my icons. I saw the airplane in Asbury Park Convention center in 67. Craig Chiquito is an excellent guitarist and worth your interest.

The band was good but it was Grace Slick that made them great I saw them in Nuremburg in 87 without Grace and they were good but they just did not have the umph to steal the show. Lynard Skynard was doing a comeback tour along with Foriegner. It was a big outdoor concert with Jethro Tull being the headliner. A lot of people came to see Grace and it was a big let down when she was not there. There were probably over 80,000 people at the concert and by the end of their set only about 10 or 15,000 stayed by the stage area while the others wandered away and listened near the beer tents.

 

[jlprk]

I saw Jefferson Airplane in Orange County, Oct. or Nov. of 1969. Didn't go to Disneyland, but bought a Davy Crockett raccoon hat near it. Walked to Chapman College along busy wide streets wearing it over my long hair, just to spite freaked-out motorists. Loved the hate I provoked. Kind of like this message board.

Legalize LSD!

 

[theprunetang]

The man has mad skillz.

It can be said that Durant has mad defensive skills as well. The way he stayed vertical and managed to track the ball in real time was pretty outstanding. But, yes, Dame still hit the mad crazy shot. We need to realize and respect greatness in the moment while he is here, regardless of win/loss

Edited because I got the defensive player wrong.

 

[kjironman1]

With someone as young as Zach it could very well be issues off the court...life can be dramatic at his age...could be he got dumped by someone he loved..who knows

Just turned 21

 

[kjironman1]

Zach has much more value as a developmental piece than as a trade piece. People think he has a ton of trade value, but I doubt he has any more than Frank Ntilikina, Bam Adebeyo, OG Anunoby, or others from his class.

It's even worse if a team starts talking trade before his rookie deal is done. Other teams would be wondering why the Blazers are giving up on their #10 pick?

 

[kjironman1]

CJ is not at his best next to Dame. That's all I was saying in regards to McCollum. He could be better used in a different offense. We need spot up shooters that spread the court not iso scorers like CJ.

Still not sure i agree with that. CJ has shown he can take a game over. He is always a threat to score. I agree they need solid shooters that spread the floor and make defenses pay. Last night Harkless and Aminu didn't shoot well. If they do that game is much much different. Would be nice to get a bucket from the bench also.

 

[kjironman1]

We missed out on trading him the first month or so of the season. Aren't gonna get shit for value now

Again not sure why anyone would think trading a player at the beginning of his second year would net the team very much? You end up with a player that is considered TRob. Teams immediately wonder why you are getting rid of your new 7 foot #10 pick?

 

[kjironman1]

You rang FAMS?

He said "Dumped By" not "Taking a Dump" .

 

[BonesJones]

People aren't patient enough with Zach. This was supposed to be his "rookie season". He's still having an efficient season with solid defense even though he's playing on an incompetent bench unit.

 

[kjironman1]

People aren't patient enough with Zach. This was supposed to be his "rookie season". He's still having an efficient season with solid defense even though he's playing on an incompetent bench unit.

What's the usual timeline on a 7 foot player that isn't considered an All-Star right out of college? If Zach was playing 30+ minutes with a starting unit for the Suns i'm betting his numbers would be a lot better. Maybe not as good as Ayton's numbers but they would be better. Got to give Zach at least his rookie contract to work things out. He has this year and two more. The Blazers have already exercised their team option for Zach for 19-20. That date passed in October so he is Guaranteed now through next year. The list above Zach in the 2017 draft is not really impressive. Looking at this point like the Blazers made a pretty good pick.

 

[James lamphear]

There a lot wrong with the Blazers and one main one is they got 2 play makers on this team Dame and Nurk. 2nd unit has no play makers on that unit that one reason Zach having problems on the offensive end. Look at Warriors look how many play makers they got 4 out there 5 starter can make a play for a other guy get a easy shot. That want the Blazers missing right now.

 

[Labinot41]

People aren't patient enough with Zach. This was supposed to be his "rookie season". He's still having an efficient season with solid defense even though he's playing on an incompetent bench unit.

I'm sure he would look much better without Evan fucking garbage turnover leading the 2nd Unit, but his body language looks really bad, and sometimes he looks lost on the court and get's bullied too often. But i need to see how he looks without Evan turnover, Meyers and a new Coach

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Zach was playing very good ball at the beginning of this season. Not sure regressed is the right word but he is struggling to get time and make the most of it lately.

If I was his big man coach, I would go back and look at tape of those early games; see if I can find out what's different.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Zach is really good but we can use his trade value more than his actual value. Especially if coupled with CJ.

I'm not sure if either of them has high trade value right now.

 

[riverman]

He said "Dumped By" not "Taking a Dump" .

in fairness HCP probably has a two hole outhouse