Game Thread GAME# 57: THUNDER @ BLAZERS - FEBRUARY 27, 2015 - FRIDAY, 7:30 PM (PST), ESPN & CSNNW

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Most annoying part of this game...
Westbrook's uncalled delay of game with 8:09 left in the 4th quarter.
Last years the refs were delay of game nazis and would call you on it if the ball bounced off the back of your hand.
This year they have let up some bit, which is good, but how did they not call this one?
The Blazers are trying to make a come back and Westbrook get's to take a shot at the rim when the ball is out of bounds to Portland?
Come on!

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I'm watching the replay right now on LP... 3 minutes in and Mark Jackson has said the same 3 sentences twice. He may be the worst.
 
Then the refs aren't doing their job.
There have been many studies done (Google it if you don't believe me) that show that refs/umpires are subconsciously influenced by the crowd.

Crowds help their teams by not being passive consumers of the game in front of them, but by being actively involved in the outcome of the game.

This is also a complaint/niggle that I have about crowds in Australia, who are equally as passive as crowds in the US of A.

All crowds are passive as hell when they are losing.
I agree, mostly in the US of A, and also Australia (it's a cultural thing), but that's definitely not the case in many sports world wide.

Look at the Timbers for a local example.
 
I'm watching the replay right now on LP... 3 minutes in and Mark Jackson has said the same 3 sentences twice. He may be the worst.

Well he had a hard time getting RW's cock out of his mouth. It doesn't get out until the fourth quarter.............. :(
 
There have been many studies done (Google it if you don't believe me) that show that refs/umpires are subconsciously influenced by the crowd.

Crowds help their teams by not being passive consumers of the game in front of them, but by being actively involved in the outcome of the game.

This is also a complaint/niggle that I have about crowds in Australia, who are equally as passive as crowds in the US of A.


I agree, mostly in the US of A, and also Australia (it's a cultural thing), but that's definitely not the case in many sports world wide.

Look at the Timbers for a local example.

Sports in general have different ways... Almost all soccer... fans are expected to be boisterous. It's part of the culture. In baseball, for the most part (except for japan and maybe mexico) it's mostly silence. Two slow sports, little action, different ways that go about it. Football and Basketball is constant noise, constant movement, so the fans can kinda pick and choose when to cheer.

Being an umpire that's worked from anywhere between 10 people and thousands... if you're a quality official, nothing should affect you but the play on the field/court/pitch. It takes a mentally strong person confident in themselves.
 
Good lord. Is there a game going on? Or is it Russell Westbrook one man show with cameo appearances by other players? Shut the fuck up, ESPN. I wish LP would allow people to choose whether to do the national broadcast or their local if it's available for the same game.
 
Being an umpire that's worked from anywhere between 10 people and thousands... if you're a quality official, nothing should affect you but the play on the field/court/pitch. It takes a mentally strong person confident in themselves.
You can argue all you like about whether refs should be influenced; the fact is they are influenced. By many factors. By star players, by coaches, by the league, by the crowd, by having a bad day. These things are subconscious, and they are a fact.

Why remove one influence (to both refs, and the team/s) by sitting on your hands?

Sports in general have different ways... Almost all soccer... fans are expected to be boisterous. It's part of the culture. In baseball, for the most part (except for japan and maybe mexico) it's mostly silence. Two slow sports, little action, different ways that go about it. Football and Basketball is constant noise, constant movement, so the fans can kinda pick and choose when to cheer.
I guess I don't exactly get what your point is? I don't disagree with you about how things mostly are in regards to crowd support.

I just think that with less passiveness our crowd could influence games more (both encouraging/dis-encouraging players, and refs).

Do you think that our crowd can't influence games more?

Do you think that our crowd shouldn't influence games more?

Do you think that it's too great of an expectation for our crowd too show more enthusiasm when we are on a bad run?

I think that we can, and should do more. Many college basketball crowds are a good example of the effort we could be putting in.

If we can't match their effort do they care more about their college than we do about the Trail Blazers?
 
The crowd influencing the referees is beside the point.
The thing that could be valuable is the crowd influencing the players, the crowd "getting into it" could have an effect on the players.
The Moda-Center is one of the strongest home-courts in the league, though, so the crowd is certainly doing something right.
 
You can argue all you like about whether refs should be influenced; the fact is they are influenced. By many factors. By star players, by coaches, by the league, by the crowd, by having a bad day. These things are subconscious, and they are a fact.

Why remove one influence (to both refs, and the team/s) by sitting on your hands?


I guess I don't exactly get what your point is? I don't disagree with you about how things mostly are in regards to crowd support.

I just think that with less passiveness our crowd could influence games more (both encouraging/dis-encouraging players, and refs).

Do you think that our crowd can't influence games more?

Do you think that our crowd shouldn't influence games more?

Do you think that it's too great of an expectation for our crowd too show more enthusiasm when we are on a bad run?

I think that we can, and should do more. Many college basketball crowds are a good example of the effort we could be putting in.

If we can't match their effort do they care more about their college than we do about the Trail Blazers?

It may be a fact, but that doesn't mean it's the norm. There are way more influences than that. If you're going to be an official, you need to be able to turn off everything but your work. Some can do that, others can't. To get an accurate gauge on these studies, there needs to be further psychological testing to see what other motivations may be in play. I don't doubt that they -can- be influenced, but the good officials should -never- get influenced. That's just poor officiating. There are ways to "catch" your subconscious, but that's psychological stuff that goes much deeper.

As far as the fans. College is a bad example. It's a culture thing. Be as loud as your college buddy. "look the part", so to speak. Being in college is all about finding yourself, and also for some it's about the consumption of alcohol to achieve less inhibitions. College is it's own entity, especially if you are talking universities, etc.

Our crowds are some of the best in the NBA. But, you're asking 20,000 people to adhere to one (of many forms) form of cheering. To "conform" in a sense, to be more boisterous, but you can't make people do what they don't want (or feel like doing) to do. I go to a ton of baseball games, and I never do any of the cheers, any of the manufactured crap. Same for blazers games. That's all fluff. I let real emotion take over. I can't manufacture cheering when there's no sense in it. I will, however, tell them to start working harder. That doesn't sound like big cheers. It's a human instinct (Just like the refs being 'influenced, as you say) to not be cheering unless good is happening, or there's a precipice of goodness. There's times to 'circumvent' the subconscious (Like being a ref, in this example) and times where it really doesn't seem advantageous or fulfilling to do it (like cheering or forcing yourself to exclaim positively during a real moment of distress, however minor). Especially when you're in an environment of extreme ups and downs as a basketball game can produce.

What you're asking people to do is to circumvent their subconscious, while you are saying officials can't do anything but react to their subconscious. That doesn't seem fair to discount one while validating the other.

It's possible to override the subconscious, but it needs to be for a damn good reason, and a temporary cheer for a team that's not giving you happiness in that moment seems really counter-productive.

I think you and I are going to agree to disagree on this subject. That's alright, that's what being a human is, we have our opinions. :)

I'm getting a psychological boner talking about this, though, so I thank you.
 
I'm watching the replay right now on LP... 3 minutes in and Mark Jackson has said the same 3 sentences twice. He may be the worst.
He just got caught up daydreaming about coaching the Thunder, im surprised he didnt just keep saying the same thing over and over until his daydream finished
 
Most annoying part of this game...
Westbrook's uncalled delay of game with 8:09 left in the 4th quarter.
Last years the refs were delay of game nazis and would call you on it if the ball bounced off the back of your hand.
This year they have let up some bit, which is good, but how did they not call this one?
The Blazers are trying to make a come back and Westbrook get's to take a shot at the rim when the ball is out of bounds to Portland?
Come on!

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I agree 100%, but I expect Lillard/Aldridge to go get that ball. Batum did on the very next possession when the Blazers forced a 24sec shot clock violation on ibaka.
 
If we had kept Morrow in check for about a 5 minutes span and at least slowed down McGary we would have blown them out. Luckily we had Captain Blow-a-game save the day for us by trying to take over as usual.

On a side note I think AA got his first real taste of this team and the fans last night. He has been used to starting for a long time but he will be damn near idolized as a god around here if he consistently drops 18 off then bench. He has to be loving life right now.
 
I'm watching the replay right now on LP... 3 minutes in and Mark Jackson has said the same 3 sentences twice. He may be the worst.
It was a nonstop Westbrook jerkoff from the opening tip, with barely a thought given to the actual basketball game. The worst was his 15 minute Ode to Westbrook while Westbrook WASN'T EVEN IN THE GAME. For that entire time, that fucker Jackson barely said a word about the basketball game in from of him. At one point the play-by-play guy said something about "great footwork" by another player, and Jackson interrupted him and literally said: "Forget footwork, I'm talking about Russell Westbrook for MVP." Easily the most unpleasant time I've ever had listening to a basketball game.
 
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That wasn't a foul, Ibaka went straight up. I can't stand it when offensive players get bailed out for just running out of control into the lane. Lillard is pretty darn good most the time but in this instances he made a mistake. Happens to the best of them when going at Ibaka.

Except ibaka didn't go straight up. His arms weren't straight up. That's why Stotts went nuts. If that was Meyers that would've been a foul.
 
It was a nonstop Westbrook jerkoff from the opening tip, with barely a thought given to the actual basketball game. The worst was his 15 minute Ode to Westbrook while Westbrook WASN'T EVEN IN THE GAME. For that entire time, that fucker Jackson barely said a word about the basketball game in from of him. At one point the play-by-play guy said something about "great footwork" by another player, and Jackson interrupted him and literally said: "Forget footwork, I'm talking about Russell Westbrook for MVP." Easily the most unpleasant time I've ever had listening to a basketball game.

I wish Van Gundy was there to keep his dumbass in check.
 
I watched the dvr. Man I'm glad I was in band practice because I may have completely lost it!
 
Aldridge and Lillard played like superstars last night. They looked as though they were on a mission to will this game a win. The way Lillard was attacking was amazing, while Aldridge has become so money rebounding the ball and scoring in the paint.

I just love this team
 
Ha. I just noticed ESPN MVP Westbrick was -12 for the game. Only Singler was worse.

Meanwhile, ESPN afterthought and much more efficient Damian Lillard was +12, and had the most important stat of the night: HE WON.
 
I re watched my recording of the game 3 times now. Doesn't get old. What a fucking game, and what a win!!

I'll be interested to see what RW's status is. Never seen someone get a dent in their face like that. Looks gnarly.
 
Afflalo had 18 points on 6 shots, and played 30 minutes. Also, he took turns with Nico D'ing up Westbrick in the 4th quarter.

How sweet it is.
 
It was a nonstop Westbrook jerkoff from the opening tip, with barely a thought given to the actual basketball game. The worst was his 15 minute Ode to Westbrook while Westbrook WASN'T EVEN IN THE GAME. For that entire time, that fucker Jackson barely said a word about the basketball game in from of him. At one point the play-by-play guy said something about "great footwork" by another player, and Jackson interrupted him and literally said: "Forget footwork, I'm talking about Russell Westbrook for MVP." Easily the most unpleasant time I've ever had listening to a basketball game.

Yep, that was the sequence that caused me to switch over to the Blazers broadcast. Mark Jackson is a fucking idiot. After Steve Kerr, with no previous coaching experience, has taken the same roster from pretenders to contenders, Jackson will never sniff another head coaching job in the NBA.

So, now he's working on his schtick as a network bafoon. If last night was any indication, he sucks at that, too. I see a career as a freelance motivational speaker in his future.

BNM
 
One play I really liked late in the game, Afflalo boxed out Westbrick from getting an offensive rebound, and (I think) Aldridge got it thanks to his work. Doesn't show up in the stats, but plays like that win basketball games.
 
It was a nonstop Westbrook jerkoff from the opening tip, with barely a thought given to the actual basketball game. The worst was his 15 minute Ode to Westbrook while Westbrook WASN'T EVEN IN THE GAME. For that entire time, that fucker Jackson barely said a word about the basketball game in from of him. At one point the play-by-play guy said something about "great footwork" by another player, and Jackson interrupted him and literally said: "Forget footwork, I'm talking about Russell Westbrook for MVP." Easily the most unpleasant time I've ever had listening to a basketball game.
Cool rant bro, hey have you heard of this guy westbrick? Mvp style clanker free throws in 2 close games against blazers this year. Pro shit. Westbrick mvp. I think hes real swell. Heck of a player. Teammates with durrant. Dented face, dented ego in crunch time. Mvp mvp mvp #westbrick
 
So I went back and watched the 4th quarter again, specifically the final 6 minutes of the 4th quarter. OKC was up 5 points at this point. Then Westbrook went to his hero ball mode.

In the final 6 minutes he attempted to shoot the ball 12 times and made 2 of them. He did go to the line twice (although one of them was Wes' stupid foul on the 3 attempt). But most of the shots were bad, like real bad quality and not even close. During that time there were 4 other shots. Three bad 3's from Roberson, Singler and Augsetine and the layup by Ibaka.

Meanwhile most of our baskets were 3's where we moved the ball, pick and rolls and LMA rebounding his ass off. Good team ball and hustle.

Westbrook's physical talents are truly undeniable but this is why I would NEVER want him.
 
Except ibaka didn't go straight up. His arms weren't straight up. That's why Stotts went nuts. If that was Meyers that would've been a foul.

Exactly! I was losing my shit listening to those announcers state over and over that he went straight up. His arms were obviously down at an angle. And when AA got fouled on that 3-pointer they said it didn't look like a foul... I slowed the image and the defenders hand was clearly on AA's wrist. One of my favorites was when Aldridge rebounded and scored about half-way through the 4th quarter, and the very next words out of Mark Jackson's lips were, "the game is too easy right now for Russell Westbrook." All game it was like I was listening to the OKC announcers. ESPN clearly had an agenda last night. Either that or they all experienced frontal lobe damage sometime before tipoff.
 
So I went back and watched the 4th quarter again, specifically the final 6 minutes of the 4th quarter. OKC was up 5 points at this point. Then Westbrook went to his hero ball mode.

In the final 6 minutes he attempted to shoot the ball 12 times and made 2 of them. He did go to the line twice (although one of them was Wes' stupid foul on the 3 attempt). But most of the shots were bad, like real bad quality and not even close. During that time there were 4 other shots. Three bad 3's from Roberson, Singler and Augsetine and the layup by Ibaka.

Meanwhile most of our baskets were 3's where we moved the ball, pick and rolls and LMA rebounding his ass off. Good team ball and hustle.

Westbrook's physical talents are truly undeniable but this is why I would NEVER want him.
Preach
 
Exactly! I was losing my shit listening to those announcers state over and over that he went straight up. His arms were obviously down at an angle. And when AA got fouled on that 3-pointer they said it didn't look like a foul... I slowed the image and the defenders hand was clearly on AA's wrist. One of my favorites was when Aldridge rebounded and scored about half-way through the 4th quarter, and the very next words out of Mark Jackson's lips were, "the game is too easy right now for Russell Westbrook." All game it was like I was listening to the OKC announcers. ESPN clearly had an agenda last night. Either that or they all experienced frontal lobe damage sometime before tipoff.
I fucking hate watching ESPN telecasts. It pisses me off that the NBA forces me to watch that shit!
 
I fucking hate watching ESPN telecasts. It pisses me off that the NBA forces me to watch that shit!

Mark Jackson sucks as a broadcaster. And holy crap how much RW dick did he suck last night.
 

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