Free Agent Gary Payton II to the Blazers

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Please tell me the GP2 signing was not a Blevins special.

Amick:

On Gary Payton II to Portland and the Damian Lillard ripple effect
The Payton deal with Portland — three years, $28 million, per our Shams Charania — has all kinds of layers to it.

Now for the Portland angle.

While it has been widely assumed Lillard will accept the two-year extension offer worth more than $100 million that is expected to come his way, sources say the Trail Blazers still needed to have a strong offseason to persuade Lillard to sign on through the 2026-27 campaign (when he’ll be 36). The deadline here isn’t until the start of the regular season, and I’m being told this is not a sure thing just yet.

The Jerami Grant addition (via trade with Detroit) this offseason was a major step in the right direction on this front, as Lillard’s desire to play with the 28-year-old forward was no secret. They’ve thrived as teammates before, of course, having won the gold in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics with Team USA. Grant’s defense is sorely needed too, as Portland finished 27th, 29th and 29th in defensive rating for the past three seasons, respectively.

The draft was much more of a question mark, as Blazers general manager Joe Cronin’s choice to take mystery man Shaedon Sharpe out of Kentucky with the seventh pick was a long-term play. The Anfernee Simons deal is yet another positive, although the price tag was curiously high (four years, $100 million) for the fourth-year guard who had a breakout year when there wasn’t much meaningful basketball being played in Portland (Lillard, of course, only played 29 games because of his abdominal surgery, and Portland went 27-55). Big man Jusuf Nurkic is returning as well, agreeing to a four-year, $70 million deal that keeps the Lillard favorite in town.

Yet when it comes to Payton, this is the kind of move that will surely make Lillard smile. Not only does he desperately need elite wing defenders at his side, but Lillard is close with Payton’s father, Gary Payton, the Hall of Fame point guard and fellow Oakland, Calif., native who has helped mentor him for years now.

What’s more, Payton II, his father and Lillard have all been repped by the same agent, Aaron Goodwin of Goodwin Sports Management. There’s the Northwest tie-in for Payton II too, as he was beloved in his two years at Oregon State (2014-16).

The Warriors’ loss, in other words, is the Trail Blazers’ gain as they attempt to keep the Lillard era alive.
 
Please tell me the GP2 signing was not a Blevins special.

Amick:

On Gary Payton II to Portland and the Damian Lillard ripple effect
The Payton deal with Portland — three years, $28 million, per our Shams Charania — has all kinds of layers to it.

Now for the Portland angle.

While it has been widely assumed Lillard will accept the two-year extension offer worth more than $100 million that is expected to come his way, sources say the Trail Blazers still needed to have a strong offseason to persuade Lillard to sign on through the 2026-27 campaign (when he’ll be 36). The deadline here isn’t until the start of the regular season, and I’m being told this is not a sure thing just yet.

The Jerami Grant addition (via trade with Detroit) this offseason was a major step in the right direction on this front, as Lillard’s desire to play with the 28-year-old forward was no secret. They’ve thrived as teammates before, of course, having won the gold in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics with Team USA. Grant’s defense is sorely needed too, as Portland finished 27th, 29th and 29th in defensive rating for the past three seasons, respectively.

The draft was much more of a question mark, as Blazers general manager Joe Cronin’s choice to take mystery man Shaedon Sharpe out of Kentucky with the seventh pick was a long-term play. The Anfernee Simons deal is yet another positive, although the price tag was curiously high (four years, $100 million) for the fourth-year guard who had a breakout year when there wasn’t much meaningful basketball being played in Portland (Lillard, of course, only played 29 games because of his abdominal surgery, and Portland went 27-55). Big man Jusuf Nurkic is returning as well, agreeing to a four-year, $70 million deal that keeps the Lillard favorite in town.

Yet when it comes to Payton, this is the kind of move that will surely make Lillard smile. Not only does he desperately need elite wing defenders at his side, but Lillard is close with Payton’s father, Gary Payton, the Hall of Fame point guard and fellow Oakland, Calif., native who has helped mentor him for years now.

What’s more, Payton II, his father and Lillard have all been repped by the same agent, Aaron Goodwin of Goodwin Sports Management. There’s the Northwest tie-in for Payton II too, as he was beloved in his two years at Oregon State (2014-16).

The Warriors’ loss, in other words, is the Trail Blazers’ gain as they attempt to keep the Lillard era alive.

People want to appease Dame, but you also don't want to make moves to appease Dame. Well what is it?

If you think this is a Blevins special fine, you should be fine if we end up deciding to move Dame then.
 
People want to appease Dame, but you also don't want to make moves to appease Dame. Well what is it?

If you think this is a Blevins special fine, you should be fine if we end up deciding to move Dame then.
i think it's a bit more nuanced. I highly doubt Dame would have given an ultimatum to sign GP2 or trade him. i just hope that connection was not the ONLY reason we signed him.
 
i think it's a bit more nuanced. I highly doubt Dame would have given an ultimatum to sign GP2 or trade him. i just hope that connection was not the ONLY reason we signed him.

Definitely not an ultimatum, but him having a significant voice on the roster.
 
I'll try to reserve full judgement until I see how Billups can incorporate Payton in the rotation, but at over 9M year, losing the TPE's, and being hard-capped I'm kind of stuck on the idea it was not a good decision
 
Don't like the argument about his ceiling since he's already an elite defender and I don't see that declining in the next three years. Words like "hot steak" and "luck" seem irrelevant since neither of those apply to defense. The argument about being in the right time and place is yet to be determined, as is the case with every other player who has switched teams or has been drafted. We have players that can also space the floor and he seems like a perfect fit for what Chauncey is all about.

But I think the arguments that are valid are where is he going to get the playing time and at the expense of who, the size of the contract, and the fact we still need more size.

So to me the more perplexing move was signing Ant to that size contract. He's going to be great but it seems like we're repeating the same mistake we did with CJ in that they'll both be undersized at shooting guard and neither is exactly known for their defense. I think we'd have been much better doing a sign and trade with him and getting a good SF/PF back and then having Hart or Payton play shooting guard.
 
Curry, Klay, and Green (as much as I dislike him) tend to carry a lot of the water for that team, and it's easier to plug replacement-level dudes in... the same way Jordan/Pippen/Grant (or Rodman) made other guys (Paxson, Kerr, Harper, etc., etc.) look so much better.

Do you all remember that the Raiders signed Larry Brown from Dallas? He was the Super Bowl MVP after a pretty good season playing opposite Deion Sanders. The Raiders saw his success in that system (after being a late, late draft pick like four years earlier) and signed him to a big deal... and he was exposed nearly instantly as just another guy. I won't say that Gary Payton II is that level of impending flop, but it's the same concept and it seems so incredibly avoidable.

Much like Larry Brown (horrible), hard to believe Payton will have the same impact without players like Draymond, Thompson, Wiggins and OPJ behind him.
 
Payton has been an elite defender wherever he’s been, the only thing that changed is golden state saw what he brought and overlooked his weaknesses. It’s how they extract value out of pretty much everyone they acquire. I have zero doubt his defense will translate to Portland, especially when you consider how defensive minded Billups is.
 
I disagree. Nurk is literally the only player really on the roster that flat out can't shoot the 3. I think GP is going to get a lot of time in Dame/Ant/GP/Nas/Grant lineups. Even Mike Richman noted today, we are building this roster like LAC. Roco is their backup 5. I assume Grant and Nas will be playing large amounts of time at the 4 and 5. With that in mind, GP can easily play a PF on offensive type role.
Even Nurk was hitting threes before he was retired last season.
 
So what do teams do, not get good defensive players from other teams?

Don't think anyone is saying that. The point made multiple times, was not to expect his impact to be as significant. Again, we will be hardcapped because we needed a player to play defense because our starting guards don't.....yet we are paying them a fortune. Hopefully Chauncey can improve that.
 
Just my .2 but I don’t think many people want to watch a live stream of people who are just recording the same reaction they’d have on the forum. I appreciate what you guys are doing but if I could honestly critique, you guys need to take a step back and provide level-headed content. It can be honest, but as soon as it turned into a meltdown I tuned out. Especially when you two started going after commenters.
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WHERES THAT TRADE HUH
The hard cap all but makes this statement moot.

Still could be a small trade for sure. Vanderbilt would be nice. But that type of trade wasn't part of "the obvious plan."
 
The hard cap all but makes this statement moot.

Still could be a small trade for sure. Vanderbilt would be nice. But that type of trade wasn't part of "the obvious plan."

I mean, I didn’t think they would trade Hart either, if that’s what that’s referring to. We’ll see what happens but I wouldn’t bet on this roster being the same as the one in October.
 
Do you think we should pay that much for a guy who plays 10 minutes a game?

not even close to the minutes he averaged or will average. But let’s expand on your idea that he’s not worth the money he’s getting paid. His AAV is roughly $9 million.

Here are all the players that made between 9 and 10 million last season

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A lot of quality backup/fringe starter types. So I would argue your claim that he’s not worth what he’s being paid. Looks like he’s being paid correctly, and if anything he may actually be worth more.
 

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not even close to the minutes he averaged or will average. But let’s expand on your idea that he’s not worth the money he’s getting paid. His AAV is roughly $9 million.

Here are all the players that made between 9 and 10 million last season

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A lot of quality backup/fringe starter types. So I would argue your claim that he’s not worth what he’s being paid. Looks like he’s being paid correctly, and if anything he may actually be worth more.
So, if other players are overpaid, we should overpay players. Love the logic!

Just like Powell is overpaid so the Clippers deal was a good one getting Keon who now has no minutes left for him.
 
Do you think we should pay that much for a guy who plays 10 minutes a game?

Ah shit. Everything is gonna be exactly the same because no player has ever gotten more minutes or less minutes being on a new team. Ever. It's all in a vacuum.

This sucks.
 
Ah shit. Everything is gonna be exactly the same because no player has ever gotten more minutes or less minutes being on a new team. Ever. It's all in a vacuum.

This sucks.
So he is gonna get more minutes with Dame, Ant, Sharpe, Hart, and Keon? I mean, ok. But we aren't gonna win anything so i'd rather those minutes go to Sharpe, Hart and Keon.
 
It’s going to suck watching him throw down those highlight dunks. Watched several when he played at OSU
 
I don't have a problem with GP2's annual salary. It's deserved for sure. You can argue maybe not 3 years guaranteed.

The problem I have is with this particular team using one of the few resources they had to pay him that contract and the limitations the hard cap brings because of it.
 

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