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Buffalo Custard said:
Option 1) Keep CJ and lose someone like Nurk.
Option 2) Replace CJ with Trent (assuming his continued improvement) and keep Nurk.

Suddenly, it's not so simple, is it?

Your argument makes sense in a league like MLB that still believes in capitalism. In a league like the NBA where teams are hamstrung by all sorts of arbitrary and artificial restrictions, tough choices have to be made. Very shortly, the Blazers will have 70% of their salary cap invested in TWO players. That might work when the 2 players are Lebron and AD...it won't work when one of the 2 is a CJ caliber player.
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lol, that's not the only options so i'm not worried about it.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
That’s a very loose interpretation of the word “guarding.” Getting dominated by LeBron doesn’t exactly make Trent a good defender. He was very bad in the playoffs but as I said, hopefully he can learn from it and become a consistent “3 and D” wing. You don’t trade for Robert Covington if you already have confidence in Trent playing that role over an entire season IMO. Also, Giannis was league MVP but LeBron was certainly worthy of it.
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RoCo plays forward and even small ball center. Trent is a guard/forward wing. Getting RoCo isn't any more of a reflection that Trent is a rotational player than Nurk.

The team needs a minimum of 8 big minute rotational players so there's plenty of room for RoCo and Trent.

If cloning were possible I'd rather have 2 RoCo and 2 Trent to put out there along with DameCJNurk and one other guy.

There's certainly plenty of room for one Roco and one Trent.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
RoCo plays forward and even small ball center. Trent is a guard/forward wing. Getting RoCo isn't any more of a reflection that Trent is a rotational player than Nurk.

The team needs a minimum of 8 big minute rotational players so there's plenty of room for RoCo and Trent.

If cloning were possible I'd rather have 2 RoCo and 2 Trent to put out there along with DameCJNurk and one other guy.

There's certainly plenty of room for one Roco and one Trent.
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Then was Hood resigned and you’re also wrong, Covington is a perimeter defender who isn’t going to be defending the 4 or 5 unless something goes horribly wrong.

Dame
CJ
Anthony
Collins
Nurkic
Kanter
Covington
Hood
Simons
Trent
Little
Derrick Jones Jr.

Simons is going to get some backup PG minutes so where does Trent get big minutes? That’s a lot of guys to keep happy and if Trent wants a big contract, there is no way he’s getting it in Portland without dramatic changes to the roster. Replacing CJ with Trent makes the team worse on paper immediately and Lillard won’t put up with growing pains if he loses the 20ppg CJ delivers mostly off the ball.
 
Someone jog my memory... Wasn't Covington a SG early in his career? Seemed like he was a SG/SF until arriving in Houston, at which point he suddenly become a PF/C and everyone stopped thinking about him in the same role as Trent.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
Then was Hood resigned and you’re also wrong, Covington is a perimeter defender who isn’t going to be defending the 4 or 5 unless something goes horribly wrong.

Dame
CJ
Anthony
Collins
Nurkic
Kanter
Covington
Hood
Simons
Trent
Little
Derrick Jones Jr.

Simons is going to get some backup PG minutes so where does Trent get big minutes? That’s a lot of guys to keep happy and if Trent wants a big contract, there is no way he’s getting it in Portland without dramatic changes to the roster. Replacing CJ with Trent makes the team worse on paper immediately and Lillard won’t put up with growing pains if he loses the 20ppg CJ delivers mostly off the ball.
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Lillard (35) / McCollum (13)
McCollum (21) / Trent (24) / Hood (3)
Jones (20) / Hood (17) / RoCo (11)
RoCo (18) / Melo (20) / Giles (10)
Nurkic (30) / Kanter (18)

24 minutes per game for Trent there.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
Replacing CJ with Trent makes the team worse on paper immediately and Lillard won’t put up with growing pains if he loses the 20ppg CJ delivers mostly off the ball.
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huh?

CJ has an assisted FG rate of 36% so nearly 2/3 of his offenses comes from his one-on-one play...'on the ball'

and what exactly is Lillard going to do? Pout and throw tantrums for 5 years? He's under contract till 2025 and he sure doesn't seem like the kind of guy that will torpedo a franchise because he didn't like a roster move
 
handiman said:
Someone jog my memory... Wasn't Covington a SG early in his career? Seemed like he was a SG/SF until arriving in Houston, at which point he suddenly become a PF/C and everyone stopped thinking about him in the same role as Trent.
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I always recall him being a SF/PF going back to his Philly days.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
Then was Hood resigned and you’re also wrong, Covington is a perimeter defender who isn’t going to be defending the 4 or 5 unless something goes horribly wrong.

Dame
CJ
Anthony
Collins
Nurkic
Kanter
Covington
Hood
Simons
Trent
Little
Derrick Jones Jr.

Simons is going to get some backup PG minutes so where does Trent get big minutes? That’s a lot of guys to keep happy and if Trent wants a big contract, there is no way he’s getting it in Portland without dramatic changes to the roster. Replacing CJ with Trent makes the team worse on paper immediately and Lillard won’t put up with growing pains if he loses the 20ppg CJ delivers mostly off the ball.
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PtldPlatypus said:
I always recall him being a SF/PF going back to his Philly days.
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So @RoseCityRebel that first sentence is actually some crazy shit. RoCo has been defending both forward positions his whole career. He has seamlessly transitioned from a wing defender to a post defender. He is an extremely versatile and effective defender. I only quoted @PtldPlatypus to highlight that what he's saying is accurate and disproves your notion.

Also the talk of Simons at PG is so overblown, Neil said the same thing last season. What these guys are being pressured to answer is who the backup PG is on the depth chart and why they haven't added a vet PG... they're not going to say their starting SG because then they have to field a bunch of questions about if CJ should be playing PG elsewhere which isn't something they want to touch. Rest assured that unless Ant has made a quantum leap in every aspect of his game or we are featuring him for a trade, he's only getting garbage minutes. There will be a three man rotation at the guard position of Dame, CJ and Gary. It's also important to remember when you are listening to Olshey talk about Ant that Olshey has overestimated Ant at every turn.
 
handiman said:
Someone jog my memory... Wasn't Covington a SG early in his career? Seemed like he was a SG/SF until arriving in Houston, at which point he suddenly become a PF/C and everyone stopped thinking about him in the same role as Trent.
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He played SF his entire career prior to last season which also happened to be one of the worst of his career outside of his rookie season.

He wasn’t brought in to guard PFs and Cs, Jesus Christ. Houston’s experiment failed.
 
RoseCityRebel said:
He played SF his entire career prior to last season which also happened to be one of the worst of his career outside of his rookie season.

He wasn’t brought in to guard PFs and Cs, Jesus Christ. Houston’s experiment failed.
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He played D on PFs literally every year of his career.
 
blazerkor said:
So @RoseCityRebel that first sentence is actually some crazy shit. RoCo has been defending both forward positions his whole career. He has seamlessly transitioned from a wing defender to a post defender. He is an extremely versatile and effective defender. I only quoted @PtldPlatypus to highlight that what he's saying is accurate and disproves your notion.

Also the talk of Simons at PG is so overblown, Neil said the same thing last season. What these guys are being pressured to answer is who the backup PG is on the depth chart and why they haven't added a vet PG... they're not going to say their starting SG because then they have to field a bunch of questions about if CJ should be playing PG elsewhere which isn't something they want to touch. Rest assured that unless Ant has made a quantum leap in every aspect of his game or we are featuring him for a trade, he's only getting garbage minutes. There will be a three man rotation at the guard position of Dame, CJ and Gary. It's also important to remember when you are listening to Olshey talk about Ant that Olshey has overestimated Ant at every turn.
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This forum greatly overrated Simons last year and now those same posters have turned on him.
 
Big Dog said:
This forum greatly overrated Simons last year and now those same posters have turned on him.
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I'm not one of them. I didn't think Simons could get past CJ to be backup PG and still don't. I think those that turned on him shouldn't be ashamed. They were being optimistic and then saw just how lost Ant was when in games and his shot wasn't even falling at a great clip.
 
Big Dog said:
This forum greatly overrated Simons last year and now those same posters have turned on him.
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Simons had a hot stretch at the end of his rookie season and he hit the rookie wall second year. People forget he played ZERO college ball and was thrown in the fire and last season he was on the scouting report.....Layman did the same thing...came out hot then got scouted and cooled off. 3rd year Layman and Connaughton looked like rotation players and got paid somewhere else....This is Ants year to prove he is an NBA rotation player.
 
wizenheimer said:
" This is where Klutch Sports comes into play. After bidding against himself to overpay multiple players (i.e. McCollum, Meyers Leonard, and Maurice Harkless), Olshey seems to have come to his senses in the last couple years. Most notably, Jusuf Nurkic signed a team-friendly deal in 2018.

Not so coincidentally, Nurkic has since signed with Klutch. Presumably based on their reputation for being extremely aggressive and player friendly in negotiations. The tl;dr here is that Rich Paul and co. aren’t going to accept a low-ball offer on Trent’s behalf. This, combined with Trent’s pending RFA status during a slight salary cap depression, suggests that it will be difficult for the two sides to find a middle ground during the offseason."
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I don't think we know if Olshey has come to his senses about bidding against himself. The Nurkic contract came at a time when only 3 teams had cap-space above the MLE and all three teams had good centers. All we really know it that when Olshey has big cap-space or one of his favorite players is due an extension he makes bad decisions. When the market is slanted heavily in his favor, and there's limited league-wide cap-space, he makes good decisions.

Nurkic just had terrible timing for his free agency.

if Trent has confidence in his own abilities and his potential for improvement, he won't be very enthusiastic about signing a contract of less than 13M/year when he'd be eligible for a max of 30M/year 7 months from now; especially considering he'd be signing as CJ's backup

Olshey is going to be tested over the next couple of seasons. Not only is Trent eligible for an extension, Zach is too

Portland free agents next July:

Zach
Trent
Kanter
Giles

free agents July 2022:

Nurkic (isn't he eligible for an extension right now too?)
Covington
Hood
Jones
Simons

lots of loose ends. And in 2022/23 Dame + CJ will combine for 80.6M in salary which could be over 70% of the salary cap. The following year they get 86.5M
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With Clutch, GTjr. will end up in bigger market.
 
So I was just watching the 2 minute clip from today's training camp. I truly think NO drafted CJ2 incase GTJ gets a max contract offer next year. It'd be hard for the Blazers to match that. NO is known for drafting a position a year ahead of certain players being a FA.
 
Driew said:
So I was just watching the 2 minute clip from today's training camp. I truly think NO drafted CJ2 incase GTJ gets a max contract offer next year. It'd be hard for the Blazers to match that. NO is known for drafting a position a year ahead of certain players being a FA.
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If you can get any rotation player in the middle of the second round its great value regardless of GTJ staying or going.
 
kjironman1 said:
Max???

Let the hand wringing begin....

Gary Trent has done well. He will most certainly make an impact this season. Max contract impact? Lets hope so. If he does Blazers will have a very nice problem to deal with.
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Lots of so so players that are RFA get max contracts from other teams hoping that their original team won't match it. I mean we gave Wes a max contract I believe to leave the Jazz.
 
Driew said:
Lots of so so players that are RFA get max contracts from other teams hoping that their original team won't match it. I mean we gave Wes a max contract I believe to leave the Jazz.
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