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Don't players on bad teams generally have bad O/Drtg? If a player doesn't have good teammates around him he will be a lot less effective than he would otherwise be.

Good point; usually, you look for if a player's O/D rating is better than the team's average to determine if they're helpful in the system or not. In this case, Charlotte's was 100 / 103.5

So Hendo is better than average on offense (+2.0), but more than makes up for it on defense (-2.5)
 
Don't players on bad teams generally have bad O/Drtg? If a player doesn't have good teammates around him he will be a lot less effective than he would otherwise be.
Yes. Those ratings are team oriented.
 
I'm not sold on this guy. His ORtg has been lower than his DRtg for his entire career.

Last year, CJ was a 103 / 105 (O / D)... not great by any stretch of the imagination. People talk about CJ/ Lillard being an awful combo on defense.

Last year, Hendo was 102 / 106. He's a career 102 / 109.
i think there is some fudge room to compensate for coaching and defensive philosophy. the important thing is his highlight real gives me a stiffy so we are definitely championship bound.

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If we can keep him slashing and drawing defenders away from Lillard, we might have something. His best spot at the angle for three is the same one Batum liked most. His favorite baseline three is similar to where Wes shot best.

Yeah, I like the way he attacks the hoop. Also, the talent is there to shoot the three. He's shown he can hit the corner shot on either side of the hoop. He made 37% of his 3-pointers on the right wing and about 19% on the left wing. I would like to see him work on left wing accuracy. That'll enable him to work both sides of the hoop and make it a little more unpredictable for opposing defenses to zero in on him (similar to Matthews shot chart from last season).
 
no, he isn't.
Then I'm failing to grasp his point (which apparently is a common failing of mine).

It seemed to me like BGD was suggesting that since Clyde was extremely effective as a shooting guard who was below average from behind the arc, we shouldn't assume that Henderson's sub-par distance shooting would be a hindrance to his ability to contribute to our team.

If that wasn't the intimation, perhaps you can suss his actual point out for me?
 
Nope, I'm just saying you don't have to have a great 3 point shot to be a good effective SG.
Well why not put the best player in basketball as an example then? Michael Jordan was even less efficient as Drexler
 
Nope, I'm just saying you don't have to have a great 3 point shot to be a good effective SG.
Exactly what I thought you were saying. That gross oversimplification completely ignores the other vast differences between the two that made one a hall-of-famer and the other a below-average starter (to date).

And no, before you ask, I'm not going to waste my time enumerating them for you.
 
Nope, I'm just saying you don't have to have a great 3 point shot to be a good effective SG.

I'm not arguing, I am asking genuinely.

Is that true in this NBA? Who is the top SG that is a poor 3 pt shooter? I mean where would that player rank? Is it Wade? Is he still a top SG?
 
I'm not arguing, I am asking genuinely.

Is that true in this NBA? Who is the top SG that is a poor 3 pt shooter? I mean where would that player rank? Is it Wade? Is he still a top SG?

It's a great question and I am surprised that the answer is "not really" .
http://www.nba.com/magic/gallery/cohen-8ball-ranking-todays-best-nba-shooting-guards-2014-15-season

Not impressed by this list of SG's. Some are great 3 pt shooters and nothing else, and others are not good 3 pt shooters but great scorers. Harden probably being the best at both. (But no D)
 
It's a great question and I am surprised that the answer is "not really" .
http://www.nba.com/magic/gallery/cohen-8ball-ranking-todays-best-nba-shooting-guards-2014-15-season

Not impressed by this list of SG's. Some are great 3 pt shooters and nothing else, and others are not good 3 pt shooters but great scorers. Harden probably being the best at both. (But no D)
That's what I've been saying for several years now. After Kobe/Wade there haven't been any great SGs. Finding the next great SG (or SF) should be our primary objective. I like that we're mining cheap/undrafted players with big upside, but so far it seems like we're focusing on PFs. I'm excited about them, but even if they pan out none of them will be the primary player on a championship team. But if you can find a SG who can become a star, THAT'S the sort of player that would make us a contender one day.
The race is on to find the next great SG!
 
That's what I've been saying for several years now. After Kobe/Wade there haven't been any great SGs. Finding the next great SG (or SF) should be our primary objective. I like that we're mining cheap/undrafted players with big upside, but so far it seems like we're focusing on PFs. I'm excited about them, but even if they pan out none of them will be the primary player on a championship team. But if you can find a SG who can become a star, THAT'S the sort of player that would make us a contender one day.
The race is on to find the next great SG!
There should never be a focus on any position. Positionless basketball is the future. I mean the reason you can name a great shooting guard is because every elite guard is a combo guard now.
 
That's what I've been saying for several years now. After Kobe/Wade there haven't been any great SGs. Finding the next great SG (or SF) should be our primary objective. I like that we're mining cheap/undrafted players with big upside, but so far it seems like we're focusing on PFs. I'm excited about them, but even if they pan out none of them will be the primary player on a championship team. But if you can find a SG who can become a star, THAT'S the sort of player that would make us a contender one day.
The race is on to find the next great SG!

On the other hand if there are not that many good SG's in the league, maybe CJ can start. I mean how many SG's out there are going to abuse him because of his size. Most teams top scorers are not their SG, so let them try to go at CJ, all that does is take the ball out of the hands of their best players. We can live with that. Especially since CJ is not that bad of a defender.

I still would not start CJ, but I am guessing he will be finishing games.
 
Positionless basketball is the future.
I don't believe that. That may be the case TODAY, but that's only because the level of top talent in the league is at an all-time low. When Harden is the league's "top" SG and LMA is the league's "top" PF that means that we're just in a waiting cycle until a new bumper crop of top flight talent enters the league. One dominant SG can change the landscape.
 
Regardless of your personal feelings towards Harden, he is an elite Talent.
 
On the other hand if there are not that many good SG's in the league, maybe CJ can start. I mean how many SG's out there are going to abuse him because of his size. Most teams top scorers are not their SG, so let them try to go at CJ, all that does is take the ball out of the hands of their best players. We can live with that. Especially since CJ is not that bad of a defender.

I still would not start CJ, but I am guessing he will be finishing games.
Truth.

End of game lineup will likely be:

Dame/CJ/Hendo/Aminu/Leonard
 
I don't believe that. That may be the case TODAY, but that's only because the level of top talent in the league is at an all-time low. When Harden is the league's "top" SG and LMA is the league's "top" PF that means that we're just in a waiting cycle until a new bumper crop of top flight talent enters the league. One dominant SG can change the landscape.
I actually agree. Wait until a team that plays power ball efficiently and it changes the dynamic of the game. This 3 point shot being the most efficient is bullshit.
 
I actually agree. Wait until a team that plays power ball efficiently and it changes the dynamic of the game. This 3 point shot being the most efficient is bullshit.
I think the 3pt shot is efficient, even more so when you consider the 3pt miss that gets and offensive board and put back or the foul giving you the 4 pt play if you make it. It makes rim protectors go out to the shooters then your slashers and dunkers have those open lanes. I don't see this changing anytime soon and I don't see power players dominating the game anytime soon either. Longer you hang in the paint, further you have to move the ball back down the court. Stotts has mentioned this before. Be interesting to see how much more balance it will be with both skills on a roster for a change. I love seeing Meyers nail shots from deep.
 
eh 3pt shooting is good, but we're long overdue for an athletic slasher who can make things happen. I'm happy to trade some 3 ball for that any day tbh
 
I actually agree. Wait until a team that plays power ball efficiently and it changes the dynamic of the game. This 3 point shot being the most efficient is bullshit.
it may be going more towards lineups with two athletic, 3pt shooting bigs that can gaurd wings effectively on the premier and then destroy those wings on the inside with power ball. Basically Vonleh/Leonard lineups. You can already see the change with new-era bigs like Anthony Davis, Labissiere, Towns, Kaminsky, Myles Turner, Porzingas, Vonleh, Olynyk, Leonard and Ben Simmons (I prefer him at the 4).
 
it may be going more towards lineups with two athletic, 3pt shooting bigs that can gaurd wings effectively on the premier and then destroy those wings on the inside with power ball. Basically Vonleh/Leonard lineups. You can already see the change with new-era bigs like Anthony Davis, Labissiere, Towns, Kaminsky, Myles Turner, Porzingas, Vonleh, Olynyk, Leonard and Ben Simmons (I prefer him at the 4).
I would rather we return to the Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Dale Davis elbow and a loose tooth routine. Every time I see a 6'11 guy take a turn around jumper I groan. This year, Golden State turned the three pointer into a spiritual quest and the league is buying into this crap.
 
I would rather we return to the Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Dale Davis elbow and a loose tooth routine. Every time I see a 6'11 guy take a turn around jumper I groan. This year, Golden State turned the three pointer into a spiritual quest and the league is buying into this crap.
Personally, I like it. Big men that are skilled and powerful. And the turnaround J shouldn't be a go to move but one to keep the D off balance.
 

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