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i guess i should expect the unstable here to get all worked up over rumors
 
This is what Cho gets for fucking around. He should have traded Rudy in the summer but didn't and it looks like that will be the reason this deal doesn't get done.

Cho can't get out of his own way.
 
RoyToy said:
This is what Cho gets for fucking around. He should have traded Rudy in the summer but didn't and it looks like that will be the reason this deal doesn't get done.

Cho can't get out of his own way.
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Same could be said when KP was around and fucked around resulting in Rudy still being here.
 
Cho knew Rudy was a marginal player at best and that he was a headache. It's his fault if it ends up costing him Wallace.
 
RoyToy said:
Cho knew Rudy was a marginal player at best and that he was a headache. It's his fault if it ends up costing him Wallace.
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Your logic is awful. If Cho had dumped Rudy in the off-season, he wouldn't have him now when Charlotte wants him, and therefore would not have the Wallace deal anyway. If you're saying that Cho could have traded Rudy into a parallel universe for the Rudy who wasn't a "headache," then I'll just need a link supporting that and everything will be in order.
 
Minstrel said:
Your logic is awful. If Cho had dumped Rudy in the off-season, he wouldn't have him now when Charlotte wants him, and therefore would not have the Wallace deal anyway. If you're saying that Cho could have traded Rudy into a parallel universe for the Rudy who wasn't a "headache," then I'll just need a link supporting that and everything will be in order.
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Cho's plan was to keep Rudy since his value was low and wait until it gets higher. It looks like that plan has backfired and now it's costing him.

Smart GMs get rid of players that are headaches before stuff like this happens.
 
Thank you, Rudy. This is simple re-trading; it's a classic negotiation strategy. You get close enough to a deal where the party taking advantage of a financial situation can taste the lopsided deal. You then pull away and have second thoughts. You then come back and ask for a little more. Of course, you wanted a little more the entire time, but you needed to tease the other party.

Rudy helped the Blazers by saying "vete a la puta verga" to Charlotte. Now Charlotte will either concede or ask for a lesser player or a 2nd round pick.

We'll get Wallace and we'll get him at our price.
 
At some point, don't we have to say to MJ, "Look, we took Bowie; you owe us."?
 
maxiep said:
At some point, don't we have to say to MJ, "Look, we took Bowie; you owe us."?
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Jordan is going to turn us down and do this:

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Now cuz Rudy and Joel are playing well...hello Gerald Wallace! Well I can hope still right?
 
RoyToy said:
Cho's plan was to keep Rudy since his value was low and wait until it gets higher. It looks like that plan has backfired and now it's costing him.

Smart GMs get rid of players that are headaches before stuff like this happens.
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Costing him how?

I don't understand how by not getting rid of/dumping Rudy when his value was lower, it would be easier to get Wallace.

Ed O.
 
I can't imagine that every player we have that someone wants, immediately stating that they won't be playing any more if traded, is helping make things any easier for Cho. IMO there should be some serious fines for these sort of statements... this seems no different that the fines they slapped on Rudy last summer when he was saying he wasn't going to report to camp. Camby, Pryz, Rudy... all completely worthless to other teams as players this year with the comments that they are making... literally their only value is their expiring contracts.

Is the plan by the team to keep the band together via sabotage?
 
RoyToy said:
Cho's plan was to keep Rudy since his value was low and wait until it gets higher. It looks like that plan has backfired and now it's costing him.
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No, it doesn't. If Cho had traded him when his value was low, they wouldn't have had an asset that would have interested Charlotte. Saying "Rudy is the guy they want so Cho should have got rid of him because now it's costing him the trade" is so internally broken, in terms of logic, that it boggles the mind.

At least if you had said that Cho could have traded Rudy for an asset that would have interested Charlotte now, instead...that would have been a little less strange. Still a bad argument because, as you acknowledge, Rudy's value was low at the time plus there's no way to predict whether that acquired player would have been of interest to Charlotte.

Smart GMs get rid of players that are headaches before stuff like this happens.
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Smart GMs don't leave value on the table. Trading Rudy at the bottom of his value would have done that.
 
Minstrel said:
No, it doesn't. If Cho had traded him when his value was low, they wouldn't have had an asset that would have interested Charlotte. Saying "Rudy is the guy they want so Cho should have got rid of him because now it's costing him the trade" is so internally broken, in terms of logic, that it boggles the mind.
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It's not, really. Rudy was a headache in August and now you've let that headache possibly determine the outcome of a deal. It's that simple. It doesn't matter if the other team values Rudy and the Blazers have him because in the end they won't end up trading for him if he threatens to just leave for Europe/ask for a buyout and become a headache for them.

At least if you had said that Cho could have traded Rudy for an asset that would have interested Charlotte now
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That just goes without saying.


Smart GMs don't leave value on the table. Trading Rudy at the bottom of his value would have done that.
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The argument can be made Rudy's value is even lower now with him saying he'll just ask for a buyout. Letting it get to that point is a shame.

If the trade isn't completed because the Bobcats don't want to deal with Rudy, that's on Cho, period.

Done with this discussion. You can have the last word if you must.
 
I guarantee his last word will make more sense than most of what you have posted tonight... your logic is just silly, but it seems that is only apparent to everyone other than you.
 
how can you say "Rudy's costing us Crash?"

If anything, this play by Rudy's agent (if true) helps us out. CHA knows they have to have another player added to Joel's salary to dump Crash on us and get a pick and some payroll relief. So of course they ask for the best player they think they can get in the 1-2M range (Rudy, but I'm sure they asked for Nic first). Rudy saying he's basically off the table for them moves them into Elliot Williams/Patty Mills/ArmonAndMarks range if they want to get the deal done. This isn't a bad thing.
 
Now Wallace may be heading to UTA along with Livingston for Harris. What does CHA need with Harris and Augustin? Hmm....
 
Who's that scrub?
 
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