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I knew it was gonna be bad, I warned everyone that this was going to turn out really, really bad. However, even I could not foresee just how bad it was going to be. Wild men freely roving our Capitol, OMG. Pardons for sale for a few bucks. The world in tatters. 400,000 dead Americans and counting. The economy in ruins. Trillions and Trillions in new debt. Tax cuts for the ueber wealthy. No respect for either the Constitution nor the law built on the Constitution. Long live King Trump I.
We had internet in 2016. I researched him and wondered who in their right mind would vote this Narcistic leech. His personality was foul and now his legacy stinks. I still see those Trump flags waving in the wind and know these people are still un repentant
 
Yes, I live in Bay area but my late father lived in a Southern California retirement community. I tried to teach him computers. But he was 95. Mind intact to the final minutes.
 
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That was a generously round about way of calling Trump a malicious moron that corrupted the system as much as he could to fulfill his aspirations of being a would be tyrant (then again). He'll always be Tyrant of the MAGAts, I guess.

Correct, but minus the wars.
 
Minus, you know, those unjustified wars that killed over a million people. But that’s just a minor side note in a list of one’s faults.

Trump is very unbecoming though, I’ll give you that.
Trump will have killed over a Million half of whom or more were Americans. He is causing one hell of crisis perhaps starving to death, women, children and old people in Yemen and soon will be responsible for over half a Million deaths or more of Americans from Covid-19. In addition he has badly damaged our Democracy and ransacked our Goddamned Capitol building wandering the halls trying to find Congressmen, Senators and the Vice President to murder. No, nothing evil compares to Trump.
 
Yes, I live in Bay area but my late father lived in a Southern California retirement community. I tried to teach him computers. But he was 95. Mind intact to the final minutes.
I love the Portland area. I also love Seattle. I've lived all over the United States, but if I had my choice, which means if I had the money, I'd live in San Francisco or, even better, in Sausalito.
 
American Deaths:

Afghan War - 2,372
Iraq War - 4,424
Korean War - 33,386
Vietnam War - 58,318
WWI - 116,516
WWII - 407, 000

Covid19 - 415,894....and counting

No matter how hard you flex on this it remains a stupid point. Trump didn’t bring COVID to the United States. We are the most traveled to and diverse country in the world and we’ve got a relatively large population, a disproportionate percentage of which is overweight and unhealthy. We stood every chance of being hit the hardest based purely on those metrics alone. Do you have any piece of information, with data, that suggests the mere existence of Donald Trump being a contributing factor to increased COVID deaths? Trump being an ass doesn’t make him culpable for COVID.

This entire flawed argument is based on one hypothetical: “What if someone else was president?”

It’s just crap. Individual governors had infinitely more influence on COVID response than Trump did.

Seriously take a step back and look at your argument. You are suggesting one solitary person is responsible for the entirety of a nation’s COVID deaths, during a widespread pandemic of that disease.

Hate Trump all you want but this argument is beyond illogical. It’s unhinged.
 
American Deaths:

Afghan War - 2,372
Iraq War - 4,424
Korean War - 33,386
Vietnam War - 58,318
WWI - 116,516
WWII - 407, 000

Covid19 - 415,894....and counting

“War is bad” vs. “Trump is covid”

Glad to see you taking the moral and intellectual high ground here.
 
No matter how hard you flex on this it remains a stupid point. Trump didn’t bring COVID to the United States. We are the most traveled to and diverse country in the world and we’ve got a relatively large population, a disproportionate percentage of which is overweight and unhealthy. We stood every chance of being hit the hardest based purely on those metrics alone. Do you have any piece of information, with data, that suggests the mere existence of Donald Trump being a contributing factor to increased COVID deaths? Trump being an ass doesn’t make him culpable for COVID.

This entire flawed argument is based on one hypothetical: “What if someone else was president?”

It’s just crap. Individual governors had infinitely more influence on COVID response than Trump did.

Seriously take a step back and look at your argument. You are suggesting one solitary person is responsible for the entirety of a nation’s COVID deaths, during a widespread pandemic of that disease.

Hate Trump all you want but this argument is beyond illogical. It’s unhinged.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Wars != Covid. Fine.

How about we look at how Trump fared in his Covid response, compared with other countries?

Yay we're better than the Czech Republic! Wow Trump is amazing! Oh wait, it's the governors' fault now!

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No matter how hard you flex on this it remains a stupid point. Trump didn’t bring COVID to the United States. We are the most traveled to and diverse country in the world and we’ve got a relatively large population, a disproportionate percentage of which is overweight and unhealthy. We stood every chance of being hit the hardest based purely on those metrics alone. Do you have any piece of information, with data, that suggests the mere existence of Donald Trump being a contributing factor to increased COVID deaths? Trump being an ass doesn’t make him culpable for COVID.

This entire flawed argument is based on one hypothetical: “What if someone else was president?”

It’s just crap. Individual governors had infinitely more influence on COVID response than Trump did.

Seriously take a step back and look at your argument. You are suggesting one solitary person is responsible for the entirety of a nation’s COVID deaths, during a widespread pandemic of that disease.

Hate Trump all you want but this argument is beyond illogical. It’s unhinged.

I think Trump's actions/inactions and rhetoric caused there to be more COVID deaths than there should have been. However, that is all speculative. There is no way of knowing what would have happened with another president. But it's definitely ridiculous to ascribe all COVID deaths to Trump. If you're going to place blame for COVID it should be placed squarely on the Chinese government.
 
No matter how hard you flex on this it remains a stupid point. Trump didn’t bring COVID to the United States. We are the most traveled to and diverse country in the world and we’ve got a relatively large population, a disproportionate percentage of which is overweight and unhealthy. We stood every chance of being hit the hardest based purely on those metrics alone. Do you have any piece of information, with data, that suggests the mere existence of Donald Trump being a contributing factor to increased COVID deaths? Trump being an ass doesn’t make him culpable for COVID.

This entire flawed argument is based on one hypothetical: “What if someone else was president?”

It’s just crap. Individual governors had infinitely more influence on COVID response than Trump did.

Seriously take a step back and look at your argument. You are suggesting one solitary person is responsible for the entirety of a nation’s COVID deaths, during a widespread pandemic of that disease.

Hate Trump all you want but this argument is beyond illogical. It’s unhinged.
I don't think anybody has EVER said that all the deaths and the virus itself is Trump fault. People are saying he could have handled the whole situation better. Had he imply tried to do that, we would have nowhere near the deaths we have. That makes sense right? Or do you believe Trump did everything in his power to slow the spread of said virus? So once again, I don't think we are saying it is all his fault, he just didn't help like he should of. Got it?
 
Those numbers are staggering.

The USA has a fatality rate of 125 deaths per 100k people.

Taiwan had 0.03. That's over 4000x better. South Korea had 3 deaths per 100k people and their first case was identified the same day as here.
 
Where is China on that graph?
Click the link. 0.51 deaths per 100k. But they took measures to control the spread that would be unheard of anywhere else like locking people in homes, mass quarantines, etc. And who knows how accurate the numbers are?

Korea is the model. Or Singapore/Taiwan/Vietnam that should have been followed. Even today, people walk around in grocery stores here in the midwest without masks on. Like come on.
 
Click the link. 0.51 deaths per 100k. But they took measures to control the spread that would be unheard of anywhere else like locking people in homes, mass quarantines, etc. And who knows how accurate the numbers are?

Korea is the model. Or Singapore/Taiwan/Vietnam that should have been followed. Even today, people walk around in grocery stores here in the midwest without masks on. Like come on.

Do you believe the number reported by China?
 
even if they're inaccurate, does it change how the US compares to Korea and other eastern asian countries?

No. What would change how the US compares to other countries are the respective customs in those countries and their transportation infrastructure. I'm sure there are other things that would impact them as well, but those were the first two I could think of.
 
No. What would change how the US compares to other countries are the respective customs in those countries and their transportation infrastructure. I'm sure there are other things that would impact them as well, but those were the first two I could think of.
it's more than the infrastructure. it's leadership. If you have hulu, can you please watch this doc called Totally Under Control? I'm not trying to be combative, more informative-- it's a legit issue that people don't understand how mismanaged our efforts were compared to a lot of other countries.

https://www.hulu.com/movie/totally-under-control-4e196a01-bdeb-4b2b-903d-492b65f9e337
 
it's more than the infrastructure. it's leadership. If you have hulu, can you please watch this doc called Totally Under Control? I'm not trying to be combative, more informative-- it's a legit issue that people don't understand how mismanaged our efforts were compared to a lot of other countries.

https://www.hulu.com/movie/totally-under-control-4e196a01-bdeb-4b2b-903d-492b65f9e337

Oh I agree leadership plays a part. However it isn't the only factor in my opinion.
 
Still a failure to establish a link between the existence of Trump and an influx of COVID deaths.

Because they said so...and that's all that really matters.
 
where does the "Joe Biden has dementia" story come from? Cuz he's older? Stutters? Do people think that when you are older and might have trouble finding words or whatever, that means you have dementia?
 
I don't think anybody has EVER said that all the deaths and the virus itself is Trump fault. People are saying he could have handled the whole situation better. Had he imply tried to do that, we would have nowhere near the deaths we have. That makes sense right? Or do you believe Trump did everything in his power to slow the spread of said virus? So once again, I don't think we are saying it is all his fault, he just didn't help like he should of. Got it?

I get the assertion. The problem I’m having is that nobody is willing to provide any specific data or examples that link any Trump actions (or inactions) to any number of resulting deaths. It just “Trump is a fucking idiot.”

Ok. That’s fine, but is not enough to attribute a disproportionate number of COVID-19 deaths to him personally.
 

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