Gortat could be had?

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http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...ix-suns-marcin-gortat-p-j-tucker-for-kendrick

According to Paul Coro of azcentral.com, there was rumor over the All-Star Break of the Oklahoma City Thunder possibly taking Marcin Gortat in exchange for a bad contract, rookie Jeremy Lamb and future first-round draft pick.

Perkins, lamb and a future first rounder is weak. I think we really could offer more.

I wonder if Portland could pull off a sign and trade of hickson, freeland and Barton for gortat and Channing frye.

The reason why I think Phoenix does this is we take on frye's contract that's been haunting them. It's a 3m tax if we get no production for frye, since freeland earns 3.5 million.

Thoughts?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yeah OKC's offer can be topped. If this offer is true then OKC thinks they fucked up by signing Perkins. Man they have made some mistakes. Perkins for Green (Green went for 43 the other night) and Hardin for Lamb and Martin. Not exactly making their team better.

Anyways I think we should go after Gortat. We can absorb his contract and save Phoenix money. Not sure what to throw in.....Gortat is certainly no all-star, but he is physical. I think he and Leonard would complement each other. I doubt we do better unfortunately.

 

[B-Roy]

Yeah OKC's offer can be topped. If this offer is true then OKC thinks they fucked up by signing Perkins. Man they have made some mistakes. Perkins for Green (Green went for 43 the other night)

Green is not a good player. He not doing anything if he isn't scoring (and he's a mediocre one at that). There's no place for him in OKC.

I would still deal Green for Perk in a split second. At least Perk is a good man defender.

 

[magnifier661]

Yeah OKC's offer can be topped. If this offer is true then OKC thinks they fucked up by signing Perkins. Man they have made some mistakes. Perkins for Green (Green went for 43 the other night) and Hardin for Lamb and Martin. Not exactly making their team better.

Anyways I think we should go after Gortat. We can absorb his contract and save Phoenix money. Not sure what to throw in.....Gortat is certainly no all-star, but he is physical. I think he and Leonard would complement each other. I doubt we do better unfortunately.

I think it would take us taking back a contract. I think Frye would be the first choice for them. I think they wouldn't mind a cheaper "freeland"; so they can rebuild.

But is taking on Frye worth it? Personally I think so.

 

[Hobbesarable]

I think it would take us taking back a contract. I think Frye would be the first choice for them. I think they wouldn't mind a cheaper "freeland"; so they can rebuild.

But is taking on Frye worth it? Personally I think so.

Frye is still out with the enlarged heart issue, right?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Green is not a good player. He not doing anything if he isn't scoring (and he's a mediocre one at that). There's no place for him in OKC.

I would still deal Green for Perk in a split second. At least Perk is a good man defender.

True, but when you looked at their young roster a few years ago and how everyone was praising it, and you look at it now, I don't think they got much in return for their two young lottery picks. Either Green and Hardin should have gotten more in return, or Presti was not the genius everyone said he was when he selected Green in the first place.
(Noah may have been a better pick) Obviously all GM's make mistakes.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think it would take us taking back a contract. I think Frye would be the first choice for them. I think they wouldn't mind a cheaper "freeland"; so they can rebuild.

But is taking on Frye worth it? Personally I think so.

If I were Phoenix I would jump on it. That is for sure. Phoenix is a destination for free agents, so cap space is certainly helpful to them.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

I'm not so sure that OKC/Suns deal isn't all that bad for either team. OKC still gets the best player in the deal. Suns get a solid big, and a couple young / or to be drafted assets.
I don't think we have assets to top this offer.

Too many assumptions with trying to include Hickson in a S&T deal IMO. Why would he want to go there? They already have the Morris twins penciled in.

I wouldn't mind getting Gortat if he came here cheaply. That's the problem though. He won't.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not so sure that OKC/Suns deal isn't all that bad for either team. OKC still gets the best player in the deal. Suns get a solid big, and a couple young / or to be drafted assets.
I don't think we have assets to top this offer.

Too many assumptions with trying to include Hickson in a S&T deal IMO. Why would he want to go there? They already have the Morris twins penciled in.

I wouldn't mind getting Gortat if he came here cheaply. That's the problem though. He won't.

It's actually not a better deal, IMO. Channing Frye is making 6.5 million next season and they want that contract gone. Giving them a young freehand + Hickson + huge cap savings; seems to fit their mold better. Perkins is still getting a lot of money and he isn't a player that justifies that pay grade, unless he is on a contending team.

 

[Hobbesarable]

It's actually not a better deal, IMO. Channing Frye is making 6.5 million next season and they want that contract gone. Giving them a young freehand + Hickson + huge cap savings; seems to fit their mold better. Perkins is still getting a lot of money and he isn't a player that justifies that pay grade, unless he is on a contending team.

Frye also has a player option for 6.8 million.

 

[magnifier661]

Frye also has a player option for 6.8 million.

Do you really think he exercises that option?

 

[Hobbesarable]

Do you really think he exercises that option?

Why not? Did he say he was going to retire?

 

[magnifier661]

Why not? Did he say he was going to retire?

Well.... Exercising his option would lose him a lot of money. Makes no sense.

 

[mook]

I can't imagine that Phoenix wants to pay Perkins $18m over the next two seasons for the privilege of giving up an underpaid center in his prime (how many of those are in the league?) for what will likely be the #25-30 pick and Jeremy Lamb (a rookie drafted at #12). If I were a Suns fan I'd be furious if they signed up for that bullshit.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Adding Hickson to the mix complicates things, but I do agree that he would be a good fit for Phoenix. He is better than Frye.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Well.... Exercising his option would lose him a lot of money. Makes no sense.

How do you figure, Mags?

 

[magnifier661]

How do you figure, Mags?

If he exercises his option; then Phoenix is not bound to pay him. There isn't a team in the league that would give him the money he got in Phoenix.

 

[Hobbesarable]

If he exercises his option; then Phoenix is not bound to pay him. There isn't a team in the league that would give him the money he got in Phoenix.

Did you read the article about his heart issues?

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...rye_forced_to_the_sideline_isnt_ready_to.html

 

[Foulzilla]

Well.... Exercising his option would lose him a lot of money. Makes no sense.

You think he will make more money by not taking the option? I would be surprised. He might be able to get a longer term deal, but I doubt it would be anywhere near that on a yearly basis. Plus, presuming he comes back healthy next year, I think he'd be in a better negotiating position for the following contract. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't exercise that option.

 

[magnifier661]

You think he will make more money by not taking the option? I would be surprised. He might be able to get a longer term deal, but I doubt it would be anywhere near that on a yearly basis. Plus, presuming he comes back healthy next year, I think he'd be in a better negotiating position for the following contract. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't exercise that option.

Okay, I am tired. I meant he will not "opt out"

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

True, but when you looked at their young roster a few years ago and how everyone was praising it, and you look at it now, I don't think they got much in return for their two young lottery picks. Either Green and Hardin should have gotten more in return, or Presti was not the genius everyone said he was when he selected Green in the first place.
(Noah may have been a better pick) Obviously all GM's make mistakes.

It's true that the Harden deal wasn't the best for OKC. For a moment, it made me think Presti was looking his touch. But, as I've heard several times, this is the "new NBA". We've seen some guys dumped for very little. I'm sure OKC probably could have found someone to give up more if they took more time, but there was the risk that they wouldn't have gotten as much as they did if they piss off Houston and shop the deal. Teams have to consider the financial aspects of trades now far more than they have ever previously had to (at least if the reports on the new CBA are to be believed).

As for the Green/Perkins deal..... I don't think OKC is as good as they are the last 2 years without making that deal.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Okay, I am tired. I meant he will not "opt out"

I was wondering about your confusion, Mags.

 

[B-Roy]

True, but when you looked at their young roster a few years ago and how everyone was praising it, and you look at it now, I don't think they got much in return for their two young lottery picks. Either Green and Hardin should have gotten more in return, or Presti was not the genius everyone said he was when he selected Green in the first place.
(Noah may have been a better pick) Obviously all GM's make mistakes.

Of course all GMs make mistakes, but the reality of the situation is that they have made more good moves than bad.

Personally, I think getting Westbrook at 4 (which was considered a pretty big reach at the time) was probably, all things considered, one of the best moves any GM has made in the last half decade.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...ix-suns-marcin-gortat-p-j-tucker-for-kendrick



Perkins, lamb and a future first rounder is weak. I think we really could offer more.

I wonder if Portland could pull off a sign and trade of hickson, freeland and Barton for gortat and Channing frye.

The reason why I think Phoenix does this is we take on frye's contract that's been haunting them. It's a 3m tax if we get no production for frye, since freeland earns 3.5 million.

Thoughts?

Id love gortat. I think gortat, frye for Freeland, Barton, our pick (this yr( we make our pick for them) or next if we lose this years) it would work.

Renounce jj, so we have the space to absorb the suns guys.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

It's actually not a better deal, IMO. Channing Frye is making 6.5 million next season and they want that contract gone. Giving them a young freehand + Hickson + huge cap savings; seems to fit their mold better. Perkins is still getting a lot of money and he isn't a player that justifies that pay grade, unless he is on a contending team.

You continue to assume that Hickson would agree to S&T deal to PHX. Why would he do that? Your next assumption is that our gift of giving PHX cap savings is what they want. Big assumption!
The next assumption (pointed out by others) is the Frye would give up guaranteed money, especially coming off a lost season with a heart ailment. Get real!

 

[magnifier661]

You continue to assume that Hickson would agree to S&T deal to PHX. Why would he do that? Your next assumption is that our gift of giving PHX cap savings is what they want. Big assumption!
The next assumption (pointed out by others) is the Frye would give up guaranteed money, especially coming off a lost season with a heart ailment. Get real!

I was misspoken. I was meaning Frye would not "opt out", making the absorption of his contract more appealing to the suns. We can forget Hickson then and just use Freeland + Barton + Cap Space for Gortat and Frye.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

You continue to assume that Hickson would agree to S&T deal to PHX. Why would he do that? Your next assumption is that our gift of giving PHX cap savings is what they want. Big assumption!
The next assumption (pointed out by others) is the Frye would give up guaranteed money, especially coming off a lost season with a heart ailment. Get real!

Take out hickson. There,were rumors gortat could be had for a 1st in the lotto range before the deadline. So we give them one. unloading frye for Freeland is probably a no brainer for them too. I dont think its that unrealistic

 

[Eastoff]

I'm pretty sure Frye is done with the NBA. I've not researched much, but enlarged hearts don't seem to be easily fixed.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm pretty sure Frye is done with the NBA. I've not researched much, but enlarged hearts don't seem to be easily fixed.

I think he's done too. It's basically the tax we would pay to get Gortat; which will cost us an additional 3.5 mil per season. But, Gortat's contract is pretty good. I mean we are talking about offering 10-12 mil for a quality center. With Gortat's 6-7 mil contract and the additional non-productive Frye tax; he would be in that threshold.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

If frye is done and gonna retire, just give them the pick for gortat which has been rumored as to what they want for him.

If they insist on giving us something, give them Freeland for Beasley, barf, not sure id take him.