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julius said:
Not saying it's a great contract (or even a good one)...and hyperbole aside, it's not the worst the team has signed in the last 15 years.

Evan Turner and Allen Crabbe would like a word with you.
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Grant is making almost twice as much as either of those guys (while the cap has gone up about 50% since 2016), he's older, he's been hurt three straight years, the team is not built to win, AND he has a player option. The new CBA is going to punish teams for signing guys to big, long-term deals unless they are amazing players, and it seems the whole NBA understands that except for the Blazers based on free agency this summer.

Grant's deal is worse, and given we are still paying for Crabbe (we traded him for Nicholson, and he's still hitting our cap) that's saying something.
 
Ed O said:
Grant is making almost twice as much as either of those guys (while the cap has gone up about 50% since 2016), he's older, he's been hurt three straight years, the team is not built to win, AND he has a player option. The new CBA is going to punish teams for signing guys to big, long-term deals unless they are amazing players, and it seems the whole NBA understands that except for the Blazers based on free agency this summer.

Grant's deal is worse, and given we are still paying for Crabbe (we traded him for Nicholson, and he's still hitting our cap) that's saying something.
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Yeah but we're 3-4 years away from having to extend our young stars.

I'll put it this way.... very few teams are begging for Simons or Herro because almost everyone has a short chucker on their team. How many teams could use Jerami Grant right now? I bet I could come up with a list of 8-10 teams without even really trying. Supply and demand.
 
Ed O said:
Grant is making almost twice as much as either of those guys (while the cap has gone up about 50% since 2016), he's older, he's been hurt three straight years, the team is not built to win, AND he has a player option. The new CBA is going to punish teams for signing guys to big, long-term deals unless they are amazing players, and it seems the whole NBA understands that except for the Blazers based on free agency this summer.

Grant's deal is worse, and given we are still paying for Crabbe (we traded him for Nicholson, and he's still hitting our cap) that's saying something.
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Grant at least scores. Turner AND Crabbe combined averaged less points.

Grant is overpaid, but I'd argue that paying Turner 17ish million and Crabbe 18ish million is a far worse overpaying than Grants. Both of those guys were 7 million dollar players. Grant is probably 20-25 million (at the going rate).
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah but we're 3-4 years away from having to extend our young stars.

I'll put it this way.... very few teams are begging for Simons or Herro because almost everyone has a short chucker on their team. How many teams could use Jerami Grant right now? I bet I could come up with a list of 8-10 teams without even really trying. Supply and demand.
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Cleveland.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Spotrac doesn't have the exact numbers, but this is their estimates. Sorry but these are NOT that bad.

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If those are Grants #'s, those are better than I thought they'd be. Tho I agree with Ed that he's overpaid (apparently I can't spell that word the same way twice today), but in todays NBA, it's not as much of an overpay as it feels (sadly).
 
Yeah I like this deal. The team needs to fill up the salary cap, Grant is the best option possible to play at the 4 for Portland right now, seems like a good lockerroom guy, and it's not like his salary is keeping anybody else worth while from coming to Portland. He's a good player making a fair salary moving forward. Look at the % of salary cap that he's going to take up. That's what matters. Get over the raw number.

Grants salary will take up and average of 20.5% of the cap over each of the 5 years (even less on the last 2 years). That's not bad at all for his production.

For comparison. These are a few salaries of last year, of guys who took up more % of the cap than Grant will moving forward.

Jerami Grant - 20.5% of the future salary cap
Andrew Wiggins - 27% of the salary cap
Michael Porter Jr - 25% of the salary cap
Julius Randle - 21% of the salary cap
CJ McCollum - 27% of the salary cap
Brandon Ingram - 25.6% of the salary cap

Jerami Grant is a good player. Maybe not as good as all of those guys, but he's also the least paid out of all of those guys, as far as the salary cap is concerned, which is what matters. I'd rather have him starting moving forward than Jabari Walker. This team need some good players around the young guys. I like this deal overall. Slight overpay, sure, but not a bad contract if he continues to play like he has.
 
julius said:
If those are Grants #'s, those are better than I thought they'd be. Tho I agree with Ed that he's overpaid (apparently I can't spell that word the same way twice today), but in todays NBA, it's not as much of an overpay as it feels (sadly).
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So I was curious how his contract compares..

Grant had the 35th most ppg in the league last season league wide and 8th highest ppg among small forwards/power forwards and power forwards.

Here are the forwards above him:

1. Giannis - $45.6 million
2. Lauri Markkanen - $17.25 million (free agent after 24-25)
3. Julius Randle - $28.2 million (he compares most closely to Grant in terms of age and contract)
4. Siakam - $37.9 million (free agent after this year)
5. Jimmy Butler - $45.2 million (not sure why BBref has him listed as a power forward)
6. Bojan Bogdanovic - $20 million
7. Kyle Kuzma - $25.5 million
8. Grant
9. Banchero - rookie
10. Giddey - not sure why BBreference has him listed as a power forward.
11. Aaron Gordon - $22.6 million (free agent after 24-25 season)

So I want to take a closer look at Julius Randle.

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Here are the top 20 forwards in terms of ppg

Player Pos
Giannis Antetokounmpo PF
Jayson Tatum SF
Jaylen Brown SF
Lauri Markkanen PF
Julius Randle PF
DeMar DeRozan SF
Pascal Siakam PF
Jimmy Butler PF
Keldon Johnson SF
Klay Thompson SF
Bojan Bogdanović PF
Kyle Kuzma PF
Jerami Grant PF
Paolo Banchero PF
Franz Wagner SF
Michael Porter Jr. SF
OG Anunoby SF
Buddy Hield SF
Josh Giddey PF
Aaron Gordon PF

If you take out the superstars and the rookie scale guys, here's what you have left:

Player Pos
Lauri Markkanen PF - $17.25 million (free agent after 24-25)
Julius Randle PF - $28.2 million (he compares most closely to Grant in terms of age and contract)
DeMar DeRozan SF - $28.6 million (free agent after this year)
Keldon Johnson SF - $20 million
Klay Thompson SF - $43.2 million (free agent after this season)
Bojan Bogdanović PF - $20 million
Kyle Kuzma PF - $25.5 million
Jerami Grant PF - $27.5 million
Michael Porter Jr. SF - $33.3 million
OG Anunoby SF - $18.6 million (free agent after this season)
Buddy Hield SF - $19.2 million (free agent after this season)
Aaron Gordon PF - $22.6 million (free agent after 24-25 season)

Who would you rather have than Grant?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here are the top 20 forwards in terms of ppg

Player Pos
Giannis Antetokounmpo PF
Jayson Tatum SF
Jaylen Brown SF
Lauri Markkanen PF
Julius Randle PF
DeMar DeRozan SF
Pascal Siakam PF
Jimmy Butler PF
Keldon Johnson SF
Klay Thompson SF
Bojan Bogdanović PF
Kyle Kuzma PF
Jerami Grant PF
Paolo Banchero PF
Franz Wagner SF
Michael Porter Jr. SF
OG Anunoby SF
Buddy Hield SF
Josh Giddey PF
Aaron Gordon PF

If you take out the superstars and the rookie scale guys, here's what you have left:

Player Pos
Lauri Markkanen PF - $17.25 million (free agent after 24-25)
Julius Randle PF - $28.2 million (he compares most closely to Grant in terms of age and contract)
DeMar DeRozan SF - $28.6 million (free agent after this year)
Keldon Johnson SF - $20 million
Klay Thompson SF - $43.2 million (free agent after this season)
Bojan Bogdanović PF - $20 million
Kyle Kuzma PF - $25.5 million
Jerami Grant PF - $27.5 million
Michael Porter Jr. SF - $33.3 million
OG Anunoby SF - $18.6 million (free agent after this season)
Buddy Hield SF - $19.2 million (free agent after this season)
Aaron Gordon PF - $22.6 million (free agent after 24-25 season)

Who would you rather have than Grant?
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Laurie
 
Natebishop3 said:
Lauri Markkanen PF - $17.25 million (free agent after 24-25)
Julius Randle PF - $28.2 million (he compares most closely to Grant in terms of age and contract)
DeMar DeRozan SF - $28.6 million (free agent after this year)
Keldon Johnson SF - $20 million
Klay Thompson SF - $43.2 million (free agent after this season)
Bojan Bogdanović PF - $20 million
Kyle Kuzma PF - $25.5 million
Jerami Grant PF - $27.5 million
Michael Porter Jr. SF - $33.3 million
OG Anunoby SF - $18.6 million (free agent after this season)
Buddy Hield SF - $19.2 million (free agent after this season)
Aaron Gordon PF - $22.6 million (free agent after 24-25 season)

Who would you rather have than Grant?
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Markkanen
Randle
DeRozan
OG
Gordon
 
I'm not happy about the Grant contract considering the Dame situation, but it's not nearly as bad as some are freaking out about

people need to keep in mind one of the biggest changes to the CBA. There are now essentially three 'hard' caps. One is the 1st apron; another is the 2nd apron; and the 3rd is now the minimum team salary of 90% of the cap. Teams that are below the salary floor are penalized. In that framework, Grant's salary is almost a necessity.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Markkanen
Randle
DeRozan
OG
Gordon
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Ok. That's a good list. Here are my thoughts.

Markkanen - I think he's going to sign a contract for a LOT more than Grant when his current deal is up. It might be sooner than that. I could see him signing an extension sooner.

Randle - is an interesting comparison. He's a much better rebounder, but he's a much less efficient scorer. I think Grant's defense suffered a bit last year. Randle is the #1 option on New York and Grant was our... third?

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DeRozan - he's getting older, he's not a power forward so it's hard to compare them. He's also a free agent after this season so it will be interesting to see what he gets on the market.

OG - I'd rather have OG, but he's a free agent after this season. I bet he gets paid.

Gordon - I really like Gordon. He's the dude I would have liked to have over Grant. He's a couple years away from an extension and I bet he signs for at least a similar contract.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here are the top 20 forwards in terms of ppg

Player Pos
Giannis Antetokounmpo PF
Jayson Tatum SF
Jaylen Brown SF
Lauri Markkanen PF
Julius Randle PF
DeMar DeRozan SF
Pascal Siakam PF
Jimmy Butler PF
Keldon Johnson SF
Klay Thompson SF
Bojan Bogdanović PF
Kyle Kuzma PF
Jerami Grant PF
Paolo Banchero PF
Franz Wagner SF
Michael Porter Jr. SF
OG Anunoby SF
Buddy Hield SF
Josh Giddey PF
Aaron Gordon PF

If you take out the superstars and the rookie scale guys, here's what you have left:

Player Pos
Lauri Markkanen PF - $17.25 million (free agent after 24-25)
Julius Randle PF - $28.2 million (he compares most closely to Grant in terms of age and contract)
DeMar DeRozan SF - $28.6 million (free agent after this year)
Keldon Johnson SF - $20 million
Klay Thompson SF - $43.2 million (free agent after this season)
Bojan Bogdanović PF - $20 million
Kyle Kuzma PF - $25.5 million
Jerami Grant PF - $27.5 million
Michael Porter Jr. SF - $33.3 million
OG Anunoby SF - $18.6 million (free agent after this season)
Buddy Hield SF - $19.2 million (free agent after this season)
Aaron Gordon PF - $22.6 million (free agent after 24-25 season)

Who would you rather have than Grant?
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Curious as to where he would be in the same rankings, but with RPG as the criteria.
 
TBpup said:
Curious as to where he would be in the same rankings, but with RPG as the criteria.
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Player Pos TRB
Giannis Antetokounmpo PF 11.8
Julius Randle PF 10
Bobby Portis PF 9.6
Evan Mobley PF 9
Jayson Tatum SF 8.8
Lauri Markkanen PF 8.6
Josh Giddey PF 7.9
Pascal Siakam PF 7.8
Josh Hart SF 7.8
Jarred Vanderbilt PF 7.5
Kyle Kuzma PF 7.2
Jabari Smith Jr. PF 7.2
Draymond Green PF 7.2
Jaylen Brown SF 6.9
Paolo Banchero PF 6.9
Aaron Gordon PF 6.6
Scottie Barnes SF 6.6
John Collins PF 6.5
Deni Avdija SF 6.4
Kevin Love PF 6.4
Tari Eason PF 6
Jimmy Butler PF 5.9
Bol Bol PF 5.8
Tobias Harris SF 5.7
Michael Porter Jr. SF 5.5
Kenyon Martin Jr. SF 5.5
Chris Boucher PF 5.5
Torrey Craig PF 5.4
Kyle Anderson PF 5.3
Royce O'Neale SF 5.1
Keldon Johnson SF 5
OG Anunoby SF 5
Buddy Hield SF 5
P.J. Washington PF 4.9
Caleb Martin SF 4.8
Santi Aldama PF 4.8
Dorian Finney-Smith PF 4.8
Saddiq Bey SF 4.7
DeMar DeRozan SF 4.6
Luguentz Dort SF 4.6
Keegan Murray SF 4.6
Grant Williams PF 4.6
Pat Connaughton SF 4.6
Jerami Grant PF 4.5
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Player Pos TRB
Giannis Antetokounmpo PF 11.8
Julius Randle PF 10
Bobby Portis PF 9.6
Evan Mobley PF 9
Jayson Tatum SF 8.8
Lauri Markkanen PF 8.6
Josh Giddey PF 7.9
Pascal Siakam PF 7.8
Josh Hart SF 7.8
Jarred Vanderbilt PF 7.5
Kyle Kuzma PF 7.2
Jabari Smith Jr. PF 7.2
Draymond Green PF 7.2
Jaylen Brown SF 6.9
Paolo Banchero PF 6.9
Aaron Gordon PF 6.6
Scottie Barnes SF 6.6
John Collins PF 6.5
Deni Avdija SF 6.4
Kevin Love PF 6.4
Tari Eason PF 6
Jimmy Butler PF 5.9
Bol Bol PF 5.8
Tobias Harris SF 5.7
Michael Porter Jr. SF 5.5
Kenyon Martin Jr. SF 5.5
Chris Boucher PF 5.5
Torrey Craig PF 5.4
Kyle Anderson PF 5.3
Royce O'Neale SF 5.1
Keldon Johnson SF 5
OG Anunoby SF 5
Buddy Hield SF 5
P.J. Washington PF 4.9
Caleb Martin SF 4.8
Santi Aldama PF 4.8
Dorian Finney-Smith PF 4.8
Saddiq Bey SF 4.7
DeMar DeRozan SF 4.6
Luguentz Dort SF 4.6
Keegan Murray SF 4.6
Grant Williams PF 4.6
Pat Connaughton SF 4.6
Jerami Grant PF 4.5
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That is a bit depressing. A LOT of $$ for that poor of rebounding production.
 
Let's give the holdovers a chance to show what they can do with a completely different offense.

Playing with Scoot is going to be very different from playing with Damian Lillard.

Grant is actually very effective in the open court. He has length, good dribbling ability, and excellent finishing ability.
 
TBpup said:
That is a bit depressing. A LOT of $$ for that poor of rebounding production.
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if I was gauging depressing things about the Blazers right now, Grant's rebounding would be way down the list

it's not good though, but it's also typical Blazers. Portland invests in players that require some unorthodox, or somewhat uncommon attributes in other players. Grant's poor rebounding was not a real issue when he was paired at forward with Josh Hart. But there aren't many SF's that averaged 8.2 rebounds, and none were as short as Hart. In any event, it wasn't really a handicap with Grant when he and Hart were averaging 13 rebounds/game

but what are the chances Portland will find somebody like Hart to pair with Grant?

* Blazers had Dame at PG so what they needed was a 6'5 SG who was solid at defense; instead they went with CJ for 7 seasons.

* Blazers had 6'3 CJ at SG so what they needed was lots of length and defense at forwards; instead they went with 6'3 Powell and 6'7 RoC0 (I pretty much gave up on Portland in the 2021 playoffs watching 6'3 Powell trying to defend 6'10 Porter....yeeeeeesh)

and we're already seeing forecasts of the shitty balance coming next season. Ant will start, no doubt about it. Meaning either Scoot or Sharpe will sit; probably Sharpe. Or, it will be all three starting and two playing out of position. I can't decide which is worse, but I know who the square peg is
 
bemac said:
As it has always been...Look at the top free agent signings and top trades in the history of the team. It's always been the draft.
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That's why I want picks and draft equity in a Dame trade; I don't care much at all about Claxton/Jovic/etc names thrown around.
 
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