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BonesJones said:
Grades are subjective and based off opinion. How does it not make sense to have an opinion on a prospect?
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You’re giving a guy a grade before he takes the test, that’s why it doesn’t make sense.
 
Scalma said:
You’re giving a guy a grade before he takes the test, that’s why it doesn’t make sense.
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I'm not grading his NBA performance though. I'm grading based off of who he is as a player. He could definitely surprise me and end up being a great pick... due to the error in his standing reach, I don't even think it's a bad pick, I just don't expect him to ever be good defensively, as my most optimistic expectations are that he'll be average defensively.
 
 
I’m okay with these two folks going head-to-head and having a fun interaction. #twopeasinapod #bestfriends #letmetellyousomething #blazers
 
Scalma said:
You gave me 6 links and maybe one of them said he was a bad defender, and it was a fan blog. Cool cool really convinced me there.
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DX and nbadraft.net listed defense as a weakness. NBADraft.net says he doesnt posess quick feet or lateral quickness. Your biased tirades him because you already like him, so your going to downplay any negatives about him. That's fine, whatever. But everything I've voiced are legitimate concerns that most, if not all scouting services, view as weaknesses or question marks.
 
https://www.twincities.com/2018/06/19/gary-trent-jr/

There is something Gary Trent Jr. has that no other member of the 2018 NBA draft class can match: 15 years of training from a retired NBA player.

Former Timberwolves forward Gary Trent Sr.’s last NBA season was in 2003-04. Since then, he has spent countless hours helping his son develop his game. Hence, Trent Sr. said his 19-year-old son is “more prepared than any other kid” heading into Thursday night’s NBA draft.

“You cannot find a child in this draft who has logged more gym hours, more film hours and more basketball conversation hours,” Trent Sr. said. “My son grew up around Kevin Garnett, … my son grew up around me, my son grew up around pro locker rooms. There is not a kid who’s been exposed to more basketball in this draft than my child.”

That’s part of the reason why Trent Jr. made the decision to go pro after one season at Duke. He felt he was ready to make the leap.

“I worked so hard,” he told reporters at the NBA Combine. “(I’ve put) countless hours, blood, sweat and tears into my craft.”

When Trent Jr. was 6 years old, he sprinted so hard through the end of a dribbling drill that he collapsed at the finish line. As he got older, he would wake his dad up at 1 a.m. to go to the gym to shoot baskets, usually after already completing two or three workouts the previous day.

Scroll through Trent Sr.’s Facebook and Instagram accounts and you’ll find posts of father and son in the gym at 3 a.m. During the school year, when Trent Jr. wasn’t in football, he and his father had a daily standing practice time from 6-8 p.m., and, if there was no tournament of some kind on the weekend, they’d try to fit two practices in each day.

A typical summer day for Trent Jr. looked something like this:

The Trents would wake up early in the morning for a workout that consisted of conditioning and strength training before getting into catch-and-shoot work, which consisted of Trent Jr. taking up to 400 shots off the catch.

In the afternoon, it was back to the gym to work on his off-the-dribble moves.

In the evening, post-ups were the focus.

And, when Trent Jr. and his father would decide to hit the gym for a fourth time in the day, Trent Sr. would do something like put his son through a series of pressure situations. Sometimes Trent Jr. would get the ball at half-court knowing he had to score in less than seven seconds. Other times, he would go to the free-throw line, knowing he had to hit three in a row for his team to win.

“Throughout the years you have to be creative so a player doesn’t get bored,” Trent Sr. said. “We’ve done so many different variations of testing your skill, testing your mind.”

Most practices had a specific plan and purpose. That’s where Trent Sr.’s experience came in. Trent Jr.’s hours in the gym were maximized by having a father who knew how to help his son improve. At the NBA Combine, Trent Jr. told reporters having his dad around is “basically like having a cheat sheet.”

“If a kid shows up to school and just goes into the library, he’s there, but he’s not going to know how to read,” Trent Sr. said. “So you can’t just show up to the gym and just shoot around, just like you can’t go to the library and flip open books. You have to come in with a mindset and a plan. The pros and the great ones have a plan, they have a blue print and organization. They have structure and a state of mind of how they’re going to go about it.”

Years ago, Trent Sr. remembers people saying he was pushing his son too hard. Those comments have since dissipated. He posts videos of his younger sons performing drills now, and the responses are positive.

“Now people see, (dang,) all that strenuous skill work, look where Gary (Jr.) is now,” Trent Sr. said.

It’s all been part of the plan to help the 6-foot-6 wing reach his full potential. When Trent Jr. left Apple Valley High School after his junior year to attend prep school, eventually landing at Prolific Prep in California, the goal was to better prepare himself for Division I basketball, as well as the NBA.

Trent Sr. said his son is a bigger gym rat now than ever before. Because the plan was never just to get to the NBA.

“This is the process that we expected. It’s not like we’re shocked,” Trent Sr. said. “What (Gary Jr. has) done is put yourself in a position where you have got to work 100 times harder now. This 15-year internship just got you into the country club. Now that you’re in the club, you’ve got to work 100 times harder to stay. The goal was not to get to the league, the goal was to get into the league to make a name for yourself and stay.”
 
Scalma said:
https://www.twincities.com/2018/06/19/gary-trent-jr/

There is something Gary Trent Jr. has that no other member of the 2018 NBA draft class can match: 15 years of training from a retired NBA player.

Former Timberwolves forward Gary Trent Sr.’s last NBA season was in 2003-04. Since then, he has spent countless hours helping his son develop his game. Hence, Trent Sr. said his 19-year-old son is “more prepared than any other kid” heading into Thursday night’s NBA draft.

“You cannot find a child in this draft who has logged more gym hours, more film hours and more basketball conversation hours,” Trent Sr. said. “My son grew up around Kevin Garnett, … my son grew up around me, my son grew up around pro locker rooms. There is not a kid who’s been exposed to more basketball in this draft than my child.”

That’s part of the reason why Trent Jr. made the decision to go pro after one season at Duke. He felt he was ready to make the leap.

“I worked so hard,” he told reporters at the NBA Combine. “(I’ve put) countless hours, blood, sweat and tears into my craft.”

When Trent Jr. was 6 years old, he sprinted so hard through the end of a dribbling drill that he collapsed at the finish line. As he got older, he would wake his dad up at 1 a.m. to go to the gym to shoot baskets, usually after already completing two or three workouts the previous day.

Scroll through Trent Sr.’s Facebook and Instagram accounts and you’ll find posts of father and son in the gym at 3 a.m. During the school year, when Trent Jr. wasn’t in football, he and his father had a daily standing practice time from 6-8 p.m., and, if there was no tournament of some kind on the weekend, they’d try to fit two practices in each day.

A typical summer day for Trent Jr. looked something like this:

The Trents would wake up early in the morning for a workout that consisted of conditioning and strength training before getting into catch-and-shoot work, which consisted of Trent Jr. taking up to 400 shots off the catch.

In the afternoon, it was back to the gym to work on his off-the-dribble moves.

In the evening, post-ups were the focus.

And, when Trent Jr. and his father would decide to hit the gym for a fourth time in the day, Trent Sr. would do something like put his son through a series of pressure situations. Sometimes Trent Jr. would get the ball at half-court knowing he had to score in less than seven seconds. Other times, he would go to the free-throw line, knowing he had to hit three in a row for his team to win.

“Throughout the years you have to be creative so a player doesn’t get bored,” Trent Sr. said. “We’ve done so many different variations of testing your skill, testing your mind.”

Most practices had a specific plan and purpose. That’s where Trent Sr.’s experience came in. Trent Jr.’s hours in the gym were maximized by having a father who knew how to help his son improve. At the NBA Combine, Trent Jr. told reporters having his dad around is “basically like having a cheat sheet.”

“If a kid shows up to school and just goes into the library, he’s there, but he’s not going to know how to read,” Trent Sr. said. “So you can’t just show up to the gym and just shoot around, just like you can’t go to the library and flip open books. You have to come in with a mindset and a plan. The pros and the great ones have a plan, they have a blue print and organization. They have structure and a state of mind of how they’re going to go about it.”

Years ago, Trent Sr. remembers people saying he was pushing his son too hard. Those comments have since dissipated. He posts videos of his younger sons performing drills now, and the responses are positive.

“Now people see, (dang,) all that strenuous skill work, look where Gary (Jr.) is now,” Trent Sr. said.

It’s all been part of the plan to help the 6-foot-6 wing reach his full potential. When Trent Jr. left Apple Valley High School after his junior year to attend prep school, eventually landing at Prolific Prep in California, the goal was to better prepare himself for Division I basketball, as well as the NBA.

Trent Sr. said his son is a bigger gym rat now than ever before. Because the plan was never just to get to the NBA.

“This is the process that we expected. It’s not like we’re shocked,” Trent Sr. said. “What (Gary Jr. has) done is put yourself in a position where you have got to work 100 times harder now. This 15-year internship just got you into the country club. Now that you’re in the club, you’ve got to work 100 times harder to stay. The goal was not to get to the league, the goal was to get into the league to make a name for yourself and stay.”
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Definitely a positive in regards to him as a prospect, potentially with being and to help us now. If he can defend, he'll be a steal.
 
James lamphear said:
I just watched Gary 3 full games against NC ST Michigan state Virginia Tech. My opinion is he solid on offense with 3 ball and he is decent passer. His handles of the ball is decent. What i see he not flashed and plays within his self and he makes the right play. He doesn't turn the ball over that is good sign. Defense they only play man just one of those game and he did decent job. His problem is his close outs he gets to high and he get beat on the drive but that can be corrected. Up to Virgina Tech game he was shooting over 50 percent from 3 of ACC games. That game he was 5-10 at 3 with 19 points. My opinion is within a month or less he could be in the rotation. Our style fits him perfectly due we don't run the ball up.
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Can you please stop watching game to have an opinion? It's against this forum policy.
 
BonesJones said:
He asked me where i got the idea? I told him, its because I've watched him play and read many scouting reports. Wasn't an attack on anyone, it was me answering a question, and then you come in here and attack me...

If you think that's insufferable, then I wish you could interract with yourself.
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I didn’t ask you specifically, but I appreciate the response. I asked everyone, because it’s an incredible misgnomer that I’ve seen NUMEROUS posters make. I missed maybe 5 minutes of Duke basketball last year; sucking ass on D is a far cry from being an average defender, even above average at times, when he tries and is completely locked in. He does have his limitations that will prevent him from becoming Tony Allen, but failure to be Tony Allen doesn’t mean you’re James Harden all of a sudden - that’s what I’m trying to find out.
 
BonesJones said:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gary-Trent-82914/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/gary-trent-jr
https://basketballscouting.wordpress.com/2018/05/16/gary-trent-jr-scouting-report-2/
http://www.nbascoutingreport.net/player-profiles-gary-trent-jr.html
https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-draft/2018-nba-draft-prospects
https://hoopshabit.com/2018/06/21/2018-nba-draft-top-60-big-board-part-3/2/
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“-Inconsistent in his approach defensively. Doesn't always put enough pride in on this end of the floor. Doesn't have standout lateral quickness, so will get roasted at times off the bounce. Likes to gamble for steals - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gary-Trent-82914/ ©DraftExpress”

Far cry from saying, “he can’t guard anyone”. Sounds like they are saying he gives inconsistent effort, not doesn’t have the capability.

“Does not project as a great perimeter defender at the next level.. Gives inconsistent effort on the defensive end of the floor … May struggle to guard quicker and more athletic players in one-on-one situations …Will need to show that he can consistently excel on defense … Prone to gamble for steals …”

Doesn’t project to be a great defender... that’s ok, doesn’t mean he projects to be a horrible defender. Effort is questioned again. MAY struggle, as in, they have no fucking clue if he will or will not, they give no reasoning for this - but they do imply that he does excel on defense at times but he needs to do it consistently. Takes too many chances. Once again, nothing that says “HORRIBLE defender” to me or even below average.

NBA scouting report just says defensive liability with no reasoning laid out. This is some random fan blog, so it doesn’t particularly matter anyway.

https://basketballscouting.wordpress.com/2018/05/16/gary-trent-jr-scouting-report-2/

This link has some well made points and was more along the lines of what I was looking for. I’m curious to see his isolation numbers and sample size; most everything else is the same - doesn’t say bad defender, but says there is room for improvement, especially by addressing his effort. Even says he has good instincts. The thing that sticks out is that he was supposedly the 3rd worst defender (in a 7 man rotation) but how does the zone effect that? Does it all? I’d imagine so depending on switching principles.

Oddly enough, critique of Luka “Lateral quickness, defending better athletes, consistent shooting form”. TRASH DEFENDER right? PASS!

Hashtag basketball didn’t really say much. “He often gets caught ball-watching, misses rotations, and seems extremely disinterested”.

Last one says he *may* struggle to guard bigger players.

Now I’m not saying he is a good defender, but none of those addressed

A) How they played zone
B) What his isolation numbers were and sample size
C) He has a positive defensive rating dbpm and d win shares.

He might be hindered by not having elite athleticism, but “lol can’t play D” isn’t true.

His defensive projections are better than Trae Young & Luka Doncic; lottery picks and two of the most coveted players in the draft.

So, pass on Doncic cuz he might get targeted for being a bad defender, right? Lacks athleticism, foot speed and strength...
 
Scalma said:
Any sort of grade before the guy even puts on a jersey is non sense. So is giving them a “pass.”
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It's a silly little thread, somebody started to help pass the time during the off-season and I didn't mean, "pass" as in passing grade, I meant he gets a pass (for now).

Fuck this shit. I'll talk to you all in the fall when there's something worth discussing. Ta for now.
 
JoshuaHall said:
“-Inconsistent in his approach defensively. Doesn't always put enough pride in on this end of the floor. Doesn't have standout lateral quickness, so will get roasted at times off the bounce. Likes to gamble for steals - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gary-Trent-82914/ ©DraftExpress”

Far cry from saying, “he can’t guard anyone”. Sounds like they are saying he gives inconsistent effort, not doesn’t have the capability.

“Does not project as a great perimeter defender at the next level.. Gives inconsistent effort on the defensive end of the floor … May struggle to guard quicker and more athletic players in one-on-one situations …Will need to show that he can consistently excel on defense … Prone to gamble for steals …”

Doesn’t project to be a great defender... that’s ok, doesn’t mean he projects to be a horrible defender. Effort is questioned again. MAY struggle, as in, they have no fucking clue if he will or will not, they give no reasoning for this - but they do imply that he does excel on defense at times but he needs to do it consistently. Takes too many chances. Once again, nothing that says “HORRIBLE defender” to me or even below average.

NBA scouting report just says defensive liability with no reasoning laid out. This is some random fan blog, so it doesn’t particularly matter anyway.

https://basketballscouting.wordpress.com/2018/05/16/gary-trent-jr-scouting-report-2/

This link has some well made points and was more along the lines of what I was looking for. I’m curious to see his isolation numbers and sample size; most everything else is the same - doesn’t say bad defender, but says there is room for improvement, especially by addressing his effort. Even says he has good instincts. The thing that sticks out is that he was supposedly the 3rd worst defender (in a 7 man rotation) but how does the zone effect that? Does it all? I’d imagine so depending on switching principles.

Oddly enough, critique of Luka “Lateral quickness, defending better athletes, consistent shooting form”. TRASH DEFENDER right? PASS!

Hashtag basketball didn’t really say much. “He often gets caught ball-watching, misses rotations, and seems extremely disinterested”.

Last one says he *may* struggle to guard bigger players.

Now I’m not saying he is a good defender, but none of those addressed

A) How they played zone
B) What his isolation numbers were and sample size
C) He has a positive defensive rating dbpm and d win shares.

He might be hindered by not having elite athleticism, but “lol can’t play D” isn’t true.

His defensive projections are better than Trae Young & Luka Doncic; lottery picks and two of the most coveted players in the draft.

So, pass on Doncic cuz he might get targeted for being a bad defender, right? Lacks athleticism, foot speed and strength...
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Don't even compare Doncic and Young to Trent. That's discrediting in itself. He can't do any of what they can do offensively. There's no reason to compare them.

Scouting reports on the sources I provided tend to state weaknesses in the lightest terms. And defense is mostly effort, so it's easy to say "His effort is inconsistent, he just needs to try more"... some guys just don't have that motor. He honestly reminds me of C.J. as a defender, who's defense was supposed to be solid. Same with Dame.
 
JoshuaHall said:
“-Inconsistent in his approach defensively. Doesn't always put enough pride in on this end of the floor. Doesn't have standout lateral quickness, so will get roasted at times off the bounce. Likes to gamble for steals - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gary-Trent-82914/ ©DraftExpress”

Far cry from saying, “he can’t guard anyone”. Sounds like they are saying he gives inconsistent effort, not doesn’t have the capability.

“Does not project as a great perimeter defender at the next level.. Gives inconsistent effort on the defensive end of the floor … May struggle to guard quicker and more athletic players in one-on-one situations …Will need to show that he can consistently excel on defense … Prone to gamble for steals …”

Doesn’t project to be a great defender... that’s ok, doesn’t mean he projects to be a horrible defender. Effort is questioned again. MAY struggle, as in, they have no fucking clue if he will or will not, they give no reasoning for this - but they do imply that he does excel on defense at times but he needs to do it consistently. Takes too many chances. Once again, nothing that says “HORRIBLE defender” to me or even below average.

NBA scouting report just says defensive liability with no reasoning laid out. This is some random fan blog, so it doesn’t particularly matter anyway.

https://basketballscouting.wordpress.com/2018/05/16/gary-trent-jr-scouting-report-2/

This link has some well made points and was more along the lines of what I was looking for. I’m curious to see his isolation numbers and sample size; most everything else is the same - doesn’t say bad defender, but says there is room for improvement, especially by addressing his effort. Even says he has good instincts. The thing that sticks out is that he was supposedly the 3rd worst defender (in a 7 man rotation) but how does the zone effect that? Does it all? I’d imagine so depending on switching principles.

Oddly enough, critique of Luka “Lateral quickness, defending better athletes, consistent shooting form”. TRASH DEFENDER right? PASS!

Hashtag basketball didn’t really say much. “He often gets caught ball-watching, misses rotations, and seems extremely disinterested”.

Last one says he *may* struggle to guard bigger players.

Now I’m not saying he is a good defender, but none of those addressed

A) How they played zone
B) What his isolation numbers were and sample size
C) He has a positive defensive rating dbpm and d win shares.

He might be hindered by not having elite athleticism, but “lol can’t play D” isn’t true.

His defensive projections are better than Trae Young & Luka Doncic; lottery picks and two of the most coveted players in the draft.

So, pass on Doncic cuz he might get targeted for being a bad defender, right? Lacks athleticism, foot speed and strength...
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If you don't have lateral quickness, your highest upside on defense is "average". I personally only want to add players with two way potential.
 
BonesJones said:
Don't even compare Doncic and Young to Trent. That's discrediting in itself. He can't do any of what they can do offensively. There's no reason to compare them.
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BonesJones said:
Overrated:
Luka Doncic, Michael Porter Jr., Trae Young

Underrated:
Mohamed Bamba, Collin Sexton, Mikal Bridges, Chandler Hutchison
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BonesJones said:
Doncic might be too slow man. Doncic could bust, and have the same issues Lonzo has had. Lonzos a good defender though, which Doncic won't be.
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BonesJones said:
He seems like someone that could have trouble getting his shot away off the dribble. He also seems like a player that would struggle getting to the rim, and if he can't do that, then he won't cause defenses to collapse to open up passing lanes for open shots from teammates.

For someone who's dribbling is such an important part of his game, I think his lack of quickness will hold him back. Evan Turner was viewed in a similar light coming out of Ohio State as Doncic is now.
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But don’t you dare compare them!!
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
If you don't have lateral quickness, your highest upside on defense is "average". I personally only want to add players with two way potential.
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Thats not entirely true though. I can list off players with average lateral agility that are good defenders. We could start with Wes Matthews.
 
When he stays down he actually pretty decent but sometimes he gets to high. But is close out where he needs a lot of work.
 
I don't think this is a 'stupid thread', and I think its actually why this and every other forum on the planet exists. I don't mind Bones giving Trent or Simons or anyone else a poor grade or not, especially when he's at least tried to do his homework. All of this is just opinion. We will see. For a team literally stuck in the middle of the NBA, where I feel the Blazers are, this draft with selections at 24 and 37, this wasn't going to move the needle. Neil has time to make some more changes. He might, he might not. If he doesn't, well, hopefully you root for a fun college or pro football team or the Timbers while this gets sorted out. I am not, and have never been, one for meddling/average/being content with "good", I would whole heartedly be fine with blowing it up and passing by the Warriors championship window and preparing for the post dynasty run they are going through now.
 
Nikolokolus said:
It's a silly little thread, somebody started to help pass the time during the off-season and I didn't mean, "pass" as in passing grade, I meant he gets a pass (for now).

Fuck this shit. I'll talk to you all in the fall when there's something worth discussing. Ta for now.
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I believe it's "Ta Ta For Now" or just TTFN. :)
 
Considering the salary cap savings, If the Blazers sign Trent to a similar deal, it will
be worth a lot more than a 1st round pick, or 2 2nd round picks.

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Okobo was the No. 31 overall pick.

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@Driew and RC2

Duke vs. Michigan State, November 14, 2017

This showcased #1 and #2 ranked teams at the time.

Marvin Bagley III only played 10 minutes before leaving the game with an eye injury. The Blue Devils fought hard and won the game without their stud player.

Trent Offensively
He showed he is willing to drive to the key and make a few shots. As always, he is ready to spot up at the 3-pt line and create spacing for his teammates. However, He is not a black hole as he is a willing passer and looks to run with the plays called.

I liked his shot selection and he kept shooting the ball from beyond the 3-pt arc even though his shot wasn't going down.

However, do not look for him to handle the ball and dribble it often. He was also blocked a couple of times inside the key. He definitely needs to work on ball handling, driving to the hoop, and shooting inside the key.

Trent Defensively
It is difficult gauging his individual bilities on defense since Duke played a 2-3 zone defense during the entire game.

Trent was often times the first guy back on defense guarding them on the perimeter and the block. He did not look to block the ball, but rather stayed with his man while guarding his zone.

Overall
Trent took several shots some of them open and some contested. He tends to stick to his strengths (outside shooting with an occasional drive to key and pass to the open man). Defensively he kept his man in front of him without taking too many chances for steals and blocks.


Some analysts have compared Trent with Crabbe. I personally think Wesley Matthews is a closer comparison.
 
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Hobbesarable said:
@Driew and RC2

Duke vs. Michigan State, November 14, 2017

This showcased #1 and #2 ranked teams at the time.

Marvin Bagley III only played 10 minutes before leaving the game with an eye injury. The Blue Devils fought hard and won the game without their stud player.

Trent Offensively
He showed he is willing to drive to the key and make a few shots. As always, he is ready to spot up at the 3-pt line and create spacing for his teammates. However, He is not a black hole as he is a willing passer and looks to run with the plays called.

I liked his shot selection and he kept shooting the ball from beyond the 3-pt arc even though his shot wasn't going down.

However, do not look for him to handle the ball and dribble it often. He was also blocked a couple of times inside the key. He definitely needs to work on ball handling, driving to the hoop, and shooting inside the key.

Trent Defensively
It is difficult gauging his individual bilities on defense since Duke played a 2-3 zone defense during the entire game.

Trent was often times the first guy back on defense guarding them on the perimeter and the block. He did not look to block the ball, but rather stayed with his man while guarding his zone.

Overall
Trent took several shots some of them open and some contested. He tends to stick to his strengths (outside shooting with an occasional drive to key and pass to the open man). Defensively he keeps his man in front of him without taking too many chances for steals and blocks.


Some analysts have compared Trent with Crabbe. I personally think Wesley Matthews is a closer comparison.
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I like the Matthews comp, especially since he’s already got an nba body at 19. His post game shows similar potential as well. And they’re both dogs mentally. Can’t see Trent settling on being average defensively.
 
Scalma said:
But don’t you dare compare them!!
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Basing their worth as a whole player because of defense is a little different then talking about a lack of quickness.
 
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