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@theprunetang, @Scalma, and @Mr. Robot I am very disappointed in you. That was a very reasonable, intelligent, open-minded conversation about potential merits of Pat Connaughton.

What the heck are you doing in this forum?!
 
theprunetang said:
I'm down to keep it to 20 minutes per game and 9 points per game.
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20 mins a game I could see possibly. 9 pts a game as an average is going to be very tough though imo.

I would have put the over/under at 18.5 mins/game and 7.5 pts/game personally.
 
When I saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be about me and my opinion about Connaughton replacing Crabbe's shooting off the bench.

3rd year is when Crabbe broke into the rotation. Now it's Pats turn. I'm not sure if Pat will completely replace Crabbe's scoring, but he does everything else (rebounding, defense, passing) better than Crabbe.

I think between him and Morrow, we will be fine.

Of course, I'd prefer we use the TPE on someone like Courtney Lee or Jared Dudley and actually upgrade our bench.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
When I saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be about me and my opinion about Connaughton replacing Crabbe's shooting off the bench.

3rd year is when Crabbe broke into the rotation. Now it's Pats turn. I'm not sure if Pat will completely replace Crabbe's scoring, but he does everything else (rebounding, defense, passing) better than Crabbe.

I think between him and Morrow, we will be fine.

Of course, I'd prefer we use the TPE on someone like Courtney Lee or Jared Dudley and actually upgrade our bench.

BNM
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Then why wasn't he in the rotation at all? And don't give me the contract crap. Where was he two years ago then?
 
KeepOnRollin said:
20 mins a game I could see possibly. 9 pts a game as an average is going to be very tough though imo.

I would have put the over/under at 18.5 mins/game and 7.5 pts/game personally.
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You are probably correct. I figured if I was going to make a wager, I should at least make it challenging.
 
theprunetang said:
You are probably correct. I figured if I was going to make a wager, I should at least make it challenging.
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20 minutes is a pretty good challenge in itself, even if he wins a rotation spot. If Biggie or Collins is the real deal then it would push Aminu to SF (with Harkless) and Turner would gobble up all the minutes at SG.

So something like

Dame
CJ
Harkless or Aminu
Swanigan
Nurkic

2nd unit

CJ
Turner
Aminu or Harkless
Davis
Leonard

Of course if Leonard still sucks then some minutes would open up, but then there's still Collins and eventually Vonleh as well. I can't see Connaughton getting 20m, but hey if he does he earned it so go pat I guess.
 
Scalma said:
20 minutes is a pretty good challenge in itself, even if he wins a rotation spot. If Biggie or Collins is the real deal then it would push Aminu to SF (with Harkless) and Turner would gobble up all the minutes at SG.

So something like

Dame
CJ
Harkless or Aminu
Swanigan
Nurkic

2nd unit

CJ
Turner
Aminu or Harkless
Davis
Leonard

Of course if Leonard still sucks then some minutes would open up, but then there's still Collins and eventually Vonleh as well. I can't see Connaughton getting 20m, but hey if he does he earned it so go pat I guess.
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Yeah, with Dame/CJ/Turner/Harkless/Aminu consuming most of the 1-3 minutes, I'll be shocked if the Con averages over 10 mpg, let alone 20. I'd even wager that Shabazz gets more PT than Pat does.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yeah, with Dame/CJ/Turner/Harkless/Aminu consuming most of the 1-3 minutes, I'll be shocked if the Con averages over 10 mpg, let alone 20. I'd even wager that Shabazz gets more PT than Pat does.
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Come on. I'm in my preseason full Mags mode.
 
Pat played like crap in Summer League though. Hard to imagine him really being a rotation player. They'll probably play Evan Turner more, and maybe Morrow.
 
Scalma said:
Then why wasn't he in the rotation at all? And don't give me the contract crap. Where was he two years ago then?
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If you read what I actually wrote, rather than jumping to conclusions, you will see that I said:

Boob-No-More said:
I'm not sure if Pat will completely replace Crabbe's scoring, but he does everything else (rebounding, defense, passing) better than Crabbe.
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Notice that I said Pat does everything else better, except scoring. Scoring is important and we lacked scoring off the bench last season. For scoring off the bench, Crabbe was our best option last season. Simple as that. No way was 2nd year Pat ready to replace 4th year Crabbe's scoring.

Where was Pat two years ago? Not sure why that is relevant. He was a rookie, and just like Crabbe, saw almost no playing time as a rookie. As I mentioned in my original post, Crabbe didn't break into the rotation until his third season. This is Pat's third season. Will it also be the year he breaks into the rotation? I guess we'll see.

BNM
 
I don't get the love for Courtney Lee.

He's 2/3 as expensive as Crabbe, and we'd be on the hook for his salary for the next 3 seasons. Next season we're going to want to spend money on Nurk, not a backup SG with no upside. He is only a SG, is a good (but worse) 3pt shooter, and not much good at anything else we care about - if his 114 DRtg is indicative of his defense.

He's certainly not going to help us win many games, if any. The price is a big tax bill and 1 of 4 seasons as taxpayer.

Plus he's on the downside of 30 years old.

If NO is going to use the TPE, I believe it would be only if the team is far over .500 and the addition of a much better player than Lee really helps our playoff chances. Otherwise, I see the TPE expiring unused, and enough salary cut so we get under the LT.
 
theprunetang said:
I completely agree. Pat may never put it all together, but if he does he has Wesley Matthews potential. Feel free to make fun of me for that, but I stand by it. Just read what's written underneath my name.
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:biglaugh:
 
Boob-No-More said:
If you read what I actually wrote, rather than jumping to conclusions, you will see that I said:



Notice that I said Pat does everything else better, except scoring. Scoring is important and we lacked scoring off the bench last season. For scoring off the bench, Crabbe was our best option last season. Simple as that. No way was 2nd year Pat ready to replace 4th year Crabbe's scoring.

Where was Pat two years ago? Not sure why that is relevant. He was a rookie, and just like Crabbe, saw almost no playing time as a rookie. As I mentioned in my original post, Crabbe didn't break into the rotation until his third season. This is Pat's third season. Will it also be the year he breaks into the rotation? I guess we'll see.

BNM
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Numerous people keep bringing up the parallels of Crabbe and Pats first two seasons but it's misleading because Crabbe sat on two 50+ win clubs (behind McCollum who was also on the bench) while Pat sat despite there being opportunities to win a spot in the rotation. He couldn't even carve out a role after Turner went down. The team wasn't in much of a hurry to guarantee his affordable contract either.
 
Somebody refresh my memory; what is it that Pat does at an NBA level again?
 
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Nikolokolus said:
Somebody refresh my memory; what is that Pat does at an NBA level again?
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Towel waiving.

But realistically, I don't think the sample size is large enough to really judge. Athletically it's not hard to tell his limitations. He hasn't earned a role yet. Let's see if it changes.
 
Yeah no clue if Pat can take the next step. I agree that the sample size is too small. With the summer league team or with other scrubs he is asked to take on a bigger role than just a 3 & D role like AC. Who knows maybe he can do it. We have not really seen him much in that role, other than a few games last year where he actually looked better than he does with other scrubs.
 
I think Pat can turn the corner this year. He has thst insolant Boy Band member quality about him. The one that doesn't dance in time or wear the standard clothes. Pat could be our Donnie if you will.
 
Scalma said:
Towel waiving.

But realistically, I don't think the sample size is large enough to really judge. Athletically it's not hard to tell his limitations. He hasn't earned a role yet. Let's see if it changes.
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I'm sure we will one way or another, but honestly I'd rather not have to endure it. The dude doesn't have any demonstrated NBA level attributes to this point, why would they magically change, just because a hole has opened up in the rotation?
 
Connaughton flat out sucks as an NBA player. I don't know how anyone cannot see this? From what I saw in summer league he couldn't play offense or defense.
 
Pat is much worse than people realize and everybody will remember the first few minutes he's back in the court. I want him gone more than Leonard tbh.
 
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