Greg Oden Update

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HailBlazers said:
Well said perhaps, but it's not about Bothering Oden, it's about Class. Booing G.O. is white trash IMO, if they did in-fact boo him. This Internet Forum is here for you to express your feelings that may be inappropriate for the real world. If you had a problem with your father in law, would you talk to your wife about it, or would you talk shit disrespectfully to his face? Booing someone because of injuries out of their control is just plain Ignorant.
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Heh, both. ;o) because if I have a problem w/someone I'll tell them. But I digress, and I do get your point. But there also is the issues with Greg's rehab ethic, his drinking and clubbing while he's in said rehab, and those pictures, cant forget those pictures......so i think some fans have a right to boo him.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
So close to getting Durant . . . if we just ended up #2. (Ironic how happy we were all feeling about #1)
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I always thought we should have done a trade with Seattle to swap picks. Probably would have gotten the next season's first rounder in the deal and ended up with Durant by default.
 
magnifier661 said:
The only time I will boo Oden is if he leaves our club to take less and go to another team. If that happens; then he will be my most hated player.
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Agreed. When I am in the arena, I don't boo the guys in black & red. I'm not afraid to express a negative opinion, but that is not the time.

Case in point: I never booed Mile as long as he was with the team...but once he started his "screw you Portland" comeback, he became fair game.
 
There's a distinct difference between concluding that Greg's basketball future is pretty gloomy and stating that opinion vs. misdirecting your anger at the person suffering all of the injuries. Boo his doctors if you like, but booing Greg is bullshit.
 
Maybe the crowd did that. How would we know?
How does a doctor boo sound different from a player boo?
 
Nikolokolus said:
There's a distinct difference between concluding that Greg's basketball future is pretty gloomy and stating that opinion vs. misdirecting your anger at the person suffering all of the injuries. Boo his doctors if you like, but booing Greg is bullshit.
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+ 1
 
I'm amazed that Oden is still worthy of a 8 page long thread.
 
At this point it's more a thread about douche fans.
 
Nikolokolus said:
There's a distinct difference between concluding that Greg's basketball future is pretty gloomy and stating that opinion vs. misdirecting your anger at the person suffering all of the injuries. Boo his doctors if you like, but booing Greg is bullshit.
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Oh, I have. If you remember, a couple of years ago, I called for the Blazers to immediately fire the entire staff - coaches, management, trainers, doctors, rehab folks, etc. Anyone who could be involved in having failed to handle injury prevention and injury rehab in the best way possible. Said the orgainization had failed and they needed to scorch earth that sucker. Figure out what a team like the Suns does, and model the program on something like that. Hire a world class medical team, put a single individual in charge of managing major injuries (multiple-conflicting instructions being a likely cause of failure).

However, health and healing and durability and attitude and emotion and lifestyle are all connected.

The not so secrets to excellent health are:

Eat quality food - lots of produce, whole grains - very little processed food.

Minimal alcohol, no drugs.

Get good sleep.

Handle stress (in non-harmful ways)

Clues that Greg Oden may be partly at fault for his current woes:

Poor eating habits.

A drinker. A partier.

Blase attitude about basketball.

Prone to negative emotions.

All of these traits were noted and commented on very early in his career.

Nothing has come out to indicate that Oden has turned into one of "those guys":

a focused, dedicated, no-junk enters my body, I hire the best trainers, I am one of those boring guys because I hit the pillow at 11pm every night, etc.

Am I blaming Oden for not being a monk? No. Do I think he is partly to blame for what has happened. I do.

Until he tries the Jack LaLane lifeplan, we will never know what Oden's body was capable of.
 
e_blazer said:
And where exactly did I say that this was a good thing? All I said is that we don't have enough information to know whether this is a really big deal or just another in a long line of setbacks for Greg. I don't know anything about the range of things that happen to people who've undergone MF surgeries. Could it be that the tissue that forms to fill in the hole in the cartilage sometimes doesn't completely and smoothly fill the hole and, as a result, sometimes surrounding cartilage wears down to match? No idea if that could happen, but it doesn't seem out of the realm of the possible. I have no idea from the reports how much cartilage needed to be cleaned out of the joint. I have no idea what the condition of the joint looked like after the surgeon examined it. Obviously, it didn't warrant another MF surgery or they would have done that. And, with all due respect to whatever you may know about the knee from your paramedic training and personal injuries, I doubt that you have any more insight on these issues than I do. Further, where do you get the idea that Greg was doing the "lowest impact possible" training? You don't know what he's been doing lately because there've been no reports on that. So, yeah, I have no problem with people having a pessimistic view about Greg's future. You'd have to be pretty Pollyanna to be optimistic that he's going to fully recover and have a long NBA career. They may find things in his left knee that are more severe and Greg could say screw it and retire next week. But all we know right now is that he had some debris cleaned out of a knee joint. That's a pretty simple surgery and I think some here have responded to it in a way that is out of proportion to what it was.
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You mean like a page or two back?

e_blazer said:
And that's all I'm trying to say here. The good news is that they scoped the knee, removed the debris, and didn't find anymore holes in the cartilage that would have required another MF surgery. It's the best outcome we've ever heard from one of Greg's surgeries. Beyond that, it's the same situation as usual: wait and see what happens.
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And there's nothing "simple" about this kind of surgery.

They removed more articular cartilage that had flaked/chipped/broken off at some point between his last MF surgery and now ... just because they didn't decide to do MF again doesn't mean smooth sailing; microfracture is mostly just to buy an athlete time by giving their body psuedo-cartilage which can extend their career, but it's not a permanent solution. More damage to his articular cartilage and more removals just means less of it to protect the head of his femur and tibia. Maybe they theoretically could do another microfracture of his knee but at some point there's a diminishing return on yet another surgery due to time lost because of the length of rehab. I'm not saying Greg's career is definitely over (even though his Blazers career almost cetainly is) but there's no "good news" here.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You mean like a page or two back?



And there's nothing "simple" about this kind of surgery.

They removed more articular cartilage that had flaked/chipped/broken off at some point between his last MF surgery and now ... just because they didn't decide to do MF again doesn't mean smooth sailing; microfracture is mostly just to buy an athlete time by giving their body psuedo-cartilage which can extend their career, but it's not a permanent solution. More damage to his articular cartilage and more removals just means less of it to protect the head of his femur and tibia. Maybe they theoretically could do another microfracture of his knee but at some point there's a diminishing return on yet another surgery due to time lost because of the length of rehab. I'm not saying Greg's career is definitely over (even though his Blazers career almost cetainly is) but there's no "good news" here.
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You really take the cake, Nic. I never said it was a good thing that he had to have the surgery; I said it was good that they didn't find anything worse that they weren't expecting. As we all know, that's been the norm when they've scoped Greg's knees. But, since you seem to enjoy building straw men to attack, go ahead and have a field day. I'm finished with this conversation.
 
Not one person on this page has less than 1500 posts, y'all need a life. Oden was a failure, move on.
 
Get a life bitches!!!!!! Wait.......
 
Actually I have an AMAZING life, and still love posting with you geeks!
 
Then why did you fall asleep on television in front of millions of people?
 
Do you realize that more people laughed at you than saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan in 3 consecutive Sundays in February 1964?

You should push this as a series to Hollywood. You sleeping in a truck.
 
jlprk said:
Do you realize that more people laughed at you than saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan in 3 consecutive Sundays in February 1964?

You should push this as a series to Hollywood. You sleeping in a truck.
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I actually did have about 6 or 7 of my boys around the US including Wendall Maxey over in Germany shout out at me saying how stupid I looked. Just having a little fun in the truck is all. I honestly forgot we were on NBAtv.
 
I was just joking. Nobody laughed at you. You didn't look any more stupid than usual. You know, seeing you asleep makes me realize that you really aren't as dumb as you look. I mean that in a good way. You looked pensive and thoughtful.
 
I hope my Greg Oden paranoia will subside. Every time a player falls to the ground I think his knee is hanging by a thread.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't blame Oden for this. I blame fans for holding on to unrealistic expectations for this long. Now they're finally coming back down to earth and they're taking out their anger on Greg. That's not fair. I think Greg is done, but I've had extremely low expectations for him since.... oh.... two years ago? People have been holding onto this dream like he's Jesus and his second coming will lead us to the promised land. Reality just punched Blazer fans in the gut and some of them don't like what they see.
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This to the Nth degree. There have been Oden fans with borderline delusional expectations since he was drafted. As reality has set in over the past 5 years, many fans have lowered expectation for him, but some still cling to the hope that it's all going to work out at the end. I have a feeling that those who booed him were among his biggest supporters over the last two years, and finally just had enough of Greg, his injuries, and the stupid photos he allows to be taken of him.

So, while it's classless, I can understand the booing. I've longed moved past the point of caring, and have a basic apathy toward Oden. Those who booed him will be there soon enough. Plus, remember this. Even if they're booing, it means they still care.
 
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