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Walton did. Grant Hill did.

Yeah, it's rare. Yeah, he may hurt himself tomorrow. But when remotely mobile and kinda-sorta healthy and mostly in-shape, he was pretty devastating.
 
magnifier661 said:
I don't think it's that. I think it has more to do with how he handled it. Not saying I wouldn't have done the same: Sending my cock picts to ladies, drinking till I passed out or telling people in clubs "I don't give a shit about basketball right now!"
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Do you 'give a shit' about your day job when you are partying? There's a time and a place for everything. Getting away from work and its pressures is healthy.
 
Get a grip, everyone. Oden is an accident waiting to happen. It may not be today, or tomorrow, but it will be soon. He is simply too fragile to withstand any extended time on the court. The only thing that will be "painful" will be watching him crumple to the court again.
 
Haters gonna hate. That much is obvious. Oden never turned his back on this city and he always took his rehab seriously. People that think otherwise are just making stuff up.
 
tlongII said:
Haters gonna hate. That much is obvious. Oden never turned his back on this city and he always took his rehab seriously. People that think otherwise are just making stuff up.
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No kidding.
 
tlongII said:
Haters gonna hate. That much is obvious. Oden never turned his back on this city and he always took his rehab seriously. People that think otherwise are just making stuff up.
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You don't know that he took his rehab seriously, any more than someone knows that he didn't. The only people who truly know what happened with Oden certainly aren't posting here.
 
Some people choose to imagine and believe the worst.
 
tlongII said:
Haters gonna hate. That much is obvious. Oden never turned his back on this city and he always took his rehab seriously. People that think otherwise are just making stuff up.
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Curious - is becoming a self-admitted alcoholic a serious component of rehab?
 
BBert said:
Some people choose to imagine and believe the worst.
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Eh, I don't think they have to imagine too hard. Greg displayed some very poor judgement during his rehab process, and then there were all the stories about alcoholism and partying. People didn't just pull it out of thin air. There were signs of a young guy who made poor decisions and displayed bad judgement.

A good example is one that I can personally attest to. As much fun as it was to play in a pickup game with Greg Oden, it displayed very poor judgement on his part. He was still a ways off from being cleared to play full contact basketball when the 24 Hour Fitness thing occurred. He played in a meaningless game, putting his health in jeopardy and displaying an immature outlook on his rehab process.
 
An immature 20 year old? Say it isn't so. The point is, until you've walked a mile in somebody else's shoes, who are you to judge?
 
HailBlazers said:
An immature 20 year old? Say it isn't so. The point is, until you've walked a mile in somebody else's shoes, who are you to judge?
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That wasn't the point. tlong said that he always took his rehab seriously, and playing in a pickup game at a 24 Hour Fitness is not taking his rehab seriously.

Who are we to judge any of it? Who are we to judge Terry Stotts? Have any of you coached pro ball? Who are we to judge Dame's shot selection? Have you ever had to take a jump shot over Chris Paul? We judge these guys on a daily basis, so why stop now?
 
I'm just glad you guys don't know about all the dumb immature stuff I did and the bad choices I made at his age. :)
 
magnifier661 said:
I think that's bullshit. If he didn't care then he shouldn't have tried coming back. Obviously he does! He turned his back on this city.
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Turned his back in what way? You do realize the Blazers waived Oden to clear a roster spot to enable the trade that got us the draft pick we used on Damian Lillard, right?

BNM
 
Natebishop3 said:
A good example is one that I can personally attest to. As much fun as it was to play in a pickup game with Greg Oden, it displayed very poor judgement on his part. He was still a ways off from being cleared to play full contact basketball when the 24 Hour Fitness thing occurred. He played in a meaningless game, putting his health in jeopardy and displaying an immature outlook on his rehab process.
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I do find it ironic that he gets criticized both for having no passion for the game and playing a game just for the fun of it. It may have been poor judgement at the time, especially after what happened later, but is this really a reason to boo the guy? He was so anxious to get back on the court and test his knee that he played in a meaningless pick-up game. How dare he??? Boo the worthless son of a bitch!!!!

BNM
 
BBert said:
I'm just glad you guys don't know about all the dumb immature stuff I did and the bad choices I made at his age. :)
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Then again, we weren't paying for tickets to see you play basketball at the same time.....Not exactly a good argument.
 
Boob-No-More said:
I do find it ironic that he gets criticized both for having no passion for the game and playing a game just for the fun of it. It may have been poor judgement at the time, especially after what happened later, but is this really a reason to boo the guy? He was so anxious to get back on the court and test his knee that he played in a meaningless pick-up game. How dare he??? Boo the worthless son of a bitch!!!!

BNM
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Well, I think the point is that some people hate the guy for not taking his rehab seriously. Whether you believe all the rumors about his partying or drinking, I think the pickup game incident was just an example of him not understanding how important it was and not taking it serious enough.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Turned his back in what way? You do realize the Blazers waived Oden to clear a roster spot to enable the trade that got us the draft pick we used on Damian Lillard, right?

BNM
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I didn't. But now that I do -- Good riddance you big oaf! ;)
 
Natebishop3 said:
John, I get that you know these guys personally, but for most people they're just another form of entertainment on the tv. No different than their favorite tv show actor, or their favorite musician on the radio. When someone chooses to become a professional entertainer, they open themselves up to criticisms, and public displays of affection or hatred. That just goes with the job. They get paid millions of dollars because people care about what they do. If nobody cared about basketball, Greg Oden would be a nobody and he wouldn't make shit for money.

So either you can take the money and deal with all the shit, or you can stay another face in the crowd. That's the choice.
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I can se H's perspective based where he lives day in and day out but well said.
 
tlongII said:
Haters gonna hate. That much is obvious. Oden never turned his back on this city and he always took his rehab seriously. People that think otherwise are just making stuff up.
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Seriously? There are multiple stories out there that show he didn't take rehab seriously. What makes you think he did take it seriously? His amazing recovery time and ability to stay healthy?

You guys are the ones making shit up..

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Natebishop3 said:
Well, I think the point is that some people hate the guy for not taking his rehab seriously. Whether you believe all the rumors about his partying or drinking, I think the pickup game incident was just an example of him not understanding how important it was and not taking it serious enough.
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Wasn't the 24-hour Fitness game after his first rehab? If so, he played 61 games that season and didn't yet know his knees were made of glass. He hadn't yet ruptured his patella and had three more MF surgeries. As a 20-year old coming off his first knee surgery, he probably thought he'd successfully completed rehab. He really didn't have a frame of reference for what a successful rehab meant. He played in 61 games that year, and missed games when he came down on Andrew Bynum's foot and banged knees with Corey Maggette. Not exactly the kind of injuries you can blame on not taking your rehab seriously.

BNM
 
blue9 said:
I think this might be a case where absolute silence is the best response. Booing would make us look like poor losers choking on sour grapes. Silence, on the other hand, would be a bit unnerving.
Save the boos for Kobe.
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I wouldn't boo him. I don't necessarily believe he was being honest with us. I don't believe he ever wanted to be here. His heart and mind I believe was always elsewhere. But still I don't know if all that equates into a situation in which he should be boo'd. He tried to deliver but his body wouldn't allow it.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Wasn't the 24-hour Fitness game after his first rehab? If so, he played 61 games that season and didn't yet know his knees were made of glass. He hadn't yet ruptured his patella and had three more MF surgeries. As a 20-year old coming off his first knee surgery, he probably thought he'd successfully completed rehab. He really didn't have a frame of reference for what a successful rehab meant. He played in 61 games that year, and missed games when he came down on Andrew Bynum's foot and banged knees with Corey Maggette. Not exactly the kind of injuries you can blame on not taking your rehab seriously.

BNM
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DINGDINGDINGDINGDING! We have a winner!
 
Boob-No-More said:
Wasn't the 24-hour Fitness game after his first rehab? If so, he played 61 games that season and didn't yet know his knees were made of glass. He hadn't yet ruptured his patella and had three more MF surgeries. As a 20-year old coming off his first knee surgery, he probably thought he'd successfully completed rehab. He really didn't have a frame of reference for what a successful rehab meant. He played in 61 games that year, and missed games when he came down on Andrew Bynum's foot and banged knees with Corey Maggette. Not exactly the kind of injuries you can blame on not taking your rehab seriously.

BNM
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No. It was towards the end of his first rehab. He hadn't played a single game in the NBA yet. The team freaked out and it was huge news because he hadn't been cleared yet for contact.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Seriously? There are multiple stories out there that show he didn't take rehab seriously. What makes you think he did take it seriously? His amazing recovery time and ability to stay healthy?

You guys are the ones making shit up..

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There are also plenty of tales of him spending TOO much time lifting weights and adding too much upper body bulk during his first rehab. Why the fuck wasn't someone on the conditioning staff monitoring his workouts? Also, why didn't the team high a nutritionist to monitor his diet? He was only 20-years old. Yeah, in hindsight, maybe he should have known better, but letting him bulk up to 300 pounds during his first rehab was just plain stupid.


All the drinking and partying came later. I suspect it was related to depression, but that's on Oden. I could see why he'd get depressed after so many setbacks and all the drinking may have helped take his mind off the problems, but in the end, just made it worse. The whole situation was fucked up and there is plenty of blame to go around between the medical staff, the strength and conditioning staff and Oden himself.

BNM
 
Natebishop3 said:
No. It was towards the end of his first rehab. He hadn't played a single game in the NBA yet. The team freaked out and it was huge news because he hadn't been cleared yet for contact.
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Yes, that was my point. He basically thought he'd successfully completed rehab and was eager to test the knee.

BNM
 
This debate is pretty funny.

Oden haters: We don't like Oden because he didn't take his rehab seriously.

Oden supporters: He took his rehab seriously, you have no proof that he didn't take it seriously. He always took his rehab seriously.

Oden haters: actually, we have proof that he didn't take his rehab seriously.

Oden supporters: Well, he was too immature to take his rehab seriously, so you're blaming a 20 year old kid for not taking his rehab seriously?

:lol:
 
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