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blue32 said:
Is that what you took from those statistics? Wow.... blinders.
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That's EXACTLY what El Prez was saying. I didn't take shit from his statistics. I took his word.
 
dviss1 said:
You sir are on some bullshit. I've never even heard you use the "other countries argument". American Exceptionalists like you never use that argument. It wasn't me who argued against comparing ourselves to other industrialized nations.

The UK doesn't have NEARLY the gun deaths. So go away with that bullshit argument. They are LESS than 200 per year compared to our 18000+...
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Using gun deaths and completely ignoring their major issues with violent crimes is bullshit.
 
magnifier661 said:
Using gun deaths and completely ignoring their major issues with violent crimes is bullshit.
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First of all, no one is ignoring violent crime. There's 18000 PLUS gun deaths in this country. Let's not skirt that issue...
 
Sedatedfork said:
You guys sure like to argue with each other about guns a lot, knowing the other side's mind will not change.
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Religion and politics are the two major topics that have passionate segregation. That's usually why so many of those threads are pages long. I've tried to stay away from religion here for that reason. I won't stay away from politics though.
 
Sedatedfork said:
You guys sure like to argue with each other about guns a lot, knowing the other side's mind will not change.
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The difference between Mags and I is that if new information is presented, I can change my mind...
 
Sedatedfork said:
You guys sure like to argue with each other about guns a lot, knowing the other side's mind will not change.
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It just boggles my mind that there are people who are ignoring the cause of these shootings and choosing instead to focus all their energy on the tool with which they are carried out. It's like trying to fight an electrical fire with water... it doesn't work. You have to kill the source of the fire before it will extinguish.
 
dviss1 said:
First of all, no one is ignoring violent crime. There's 18000 PLUS gun deaths in this country. Let's not skirt that issue...
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The issue is absolutely "violent crimes". This is the very issue why anyone would argue banning guns. If you ban guns but the violent crimes are still high, then the guns are not the problem. It's the society...
 
dviss1 said:
The difference between Mags and I is that if new information is presented, I can change my mind...
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Lol that's total bullshit! There has been facts pushed in your face and your response is "well that's bullshit". You are the left wing extremist that will not listen to a single fact if it goes against your grain.
 
Blaming guns is the easy thing to do. It doesn't force us to look at our society as a whole. It makes the inanimate object into the villain instead of the person wielding it.

It's realistically a much easier fix to regulate guns than it is to figure out why people are getting to the point where they want to shoot a bunch of innocent bystanders. How do you fix that? People want to feel like they're doing something. I've had people say that to me before. We have to do SOMETHING, so instead of fixing the problem, they do SOMETHING and that SOMETHING changes nothing. Oregon passed a bill recently that required that all private gun sales have to go through a background check. That was doing SOMETHING. Would it have prevented Umpqua? Nope, but it sure was SOMETHING.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It just boggles my mind that there are people who are ignoring the cause of these shootings and choosing instead to focus all their energy on the tool with which they are carried out. It's like trying to fight an electrical fire with water... it doesn't work. You have to kill the source of the fire before it will extinguish.
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No one is ignoring it at all. That's your strawman argument. You and everyone on your side have yet to say what needs to be done about mental issues. Do we pay more of our taxpayer dollars to fix that problem? Do we take away guns and prevent people with mental issues from getting them? What is your fix?
 
magnifier661 said:
Lol that's total bullshit! There has been facts pushed in your face and your response is "well that's bullshit". You are the left wing extremist that will not listen to a single fact if it goes against your grain.
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Left wing extremist... :sigh:
 
dviss1 said:
No one is ignoring it at all. That's your strawman argument. You and everyone on your side have yet to say what needs to be done about mental issues. Do we pay more of our taxpayer dollars to fix that problem? Do we take away guns and prevent people with mental issues from getting them? What is your fix?
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Actually I did say something... you just ignored it.

And yes they are ignoring it. My facebook was saturated with people who were screaming about gun control after the shooting.

Obviously we just need to round up all the crazies and put them on an island. What do you think?
 
magnifier661 said:
Lol that's total bullshit! There has been facts pushed in your face and your response is "well that's bullshit". You are the left wing extremist that will not listen to a single fact if it goes against your grain.
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I'll let you continue to lie and assassinate my character.
 
This is getting a little heated. Maybe you guys should give it a rest for a day or so.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Actually I did say something... you just ignored it.

And yes they are ignoring it. My facebook was saturated with people who were screaming about gun control after the shooting.

Obviously we just need to round up all the crazies and put them on an island. What do you think?
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Yeah no... Put Blacks or Whites instead of "crazies" (completely disrespectful to people with mental illness) and see how your argument sounds. You all CLAMOR for there to be no taking away of your "right" to own an instrument of death but CLAMOR for other's rights to be taken away. You guys are full of shit.
 
magnifier661 said:
That's from the CDC, so....
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Huh? I just said the next country down is LESS than 200... What year was your 11K? And really, does it matter? 11K compared to less than 200 is a LOT that you all don't seem to care about.
 
dviss1 said:
I'll let you continue to lie and assassinate my character.
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Bro... It's because I love u man. You talk as though you have logical responses, but when they blow up in your face you say "that's right wing bullshit!" Or "That's racist bullshit". Or if someone argues about refs that go against what you know, you respond "that's bullshit!" It seems you see the world through "bullshit colored glasses"0
 
dviss1 said:
Yeah no... Put Blacks or Whites instead of "crazies" (completely disrespectful to people with mental illness) and see how your argument sounds. You all CLAMOR for there to be no taking away of your "right" to own an instrument of death but CLAMOR for other's rights to be taken away. You guys are full of shit.
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You have no sense of humor. Why don't you just scroll up and look what I actually proposed.
 
dviss1 said:
Huh? I just said the next country down is LESS than 200... What year was your 11K? And really, does it matter? 11K compared to less than 200 is a LOT that you all don't seem to care about.
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Lmao, the next one down is 200? You are aware that we are 110th in gun related deaths?
 
dviss1 said:
The shit you spout in this forum is MUCH more extreme. You wanna vote for trump... smh... That's as extreme as it gets.
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No, supporting a socialist that wants to tax our nation 35-49% our GDP is extreme.
 
dviss1 said:
Yeah no... Put Blacks or Whites instead of "crazies" (completely disrespectful to people with mental illness) and see how your argument sounds. You all CLAMOR for there to be no taking away of your "right" to own an instrument of death but CLAMOR for other's rights to be taken away. You guys are full of shit.
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Same goes for you trying to take peoples rights away. Kinda the pot calling the kettle black I see here.
 
blue32 said:
Same goes for you trying to take peoples rights away. Kinda the pot calling the kettle black I see here.
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Bullshit. Show me ONE POST where I said we need to take guns away. I've NEVER advocated for this. What I have advocated for:

Background checks
Psychological Evaluations
Liability insurance
Wait Times.

Among other regulations, We CAN regulate your 2nd amendment right. Speech is regulated. So can your right to bear arms. There's a reason why you can't own an RPG...
 
dviss1 said:
Bullshit. Show me ONE POST where I said we need to take guns away. I've NEVER advocated for this. What I have advocated for:

Background checks
Psychological Evaluations
Liability insurance
Wait Times.

Among other regulations, We CAN regulate your 2nd amendment right. Speech is regulated. So can your right to bear arms. There's a reason why you can't own an RPG...
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We have background checks. In Oregon we now have required background checks on private sales as well. Did you not know this?
 
This is what I advocate:

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