Gun Control, Mental healthcare, big brother... thread (4 Viewers)

[GriLtCheeZ]

That is entirely untrue (generalization). The biggest issue that most people have is with the anti-gun crowd wanting to come in and make more laws to try to control a free people/state. Owning a gun is in the bill of rights whether you like it or not.

I own some guns; I do not have a gun fetish. But I like having the piece of mind there in case someone were to break into my house. Also I like to target shoot once in a while. The majority of gun owners pretty much resemble this from my experiences.

Edit, I will say that some people may have fetishes. But that goes for every damn thing in the world.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Your previous post is from an activist. Again, click the link of the actual government census and the real numbers pop out.

Banning "ALL GUNS" would be the only way you can stop the gun violence. But that will absolutely never happen.

They used official sources. The fact that they are an "activist" doesn't change the numbers.

 

[magnifier661]

They used official sources. The fact that they are an "activist" doesn't change the numbers.

And mine was right as well, using the actual government census you requested

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Your previous post is from an activist. Again, click the link of the actual government census and the real numbers pop out.

Banning "ALL GUNS" would be the only way you can stop the gun violence. But that will absolutely never happen.

The point is you can't just look up numbers on violent crime from two different countries and expect them to be perfectly comparable.

 

[barfo]

I just think that if guns, then what? Knives, swords, pressure cookers, chemicals, gunpowder, etc?

This is the same objection some raise to gay marriages. If two women can marry, then it logically follows that a woman can marry a goat.

The answer is, contrary to Denny's assertions, there is a middle ground. Life is full of grey areas, compromise is often necessary.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

This is the same objection some raise to gay marriages. If two women can marry, then it logically follows that a woman can marry a goat.

The answer is, contrary to Denny's assertions, there is a middle ground. Life is full of grey areas, compromise is often necessary.

barfo

The greatest thing about this amendment is it cannot change. The amendment was written so perfectly, no Supreme Court or congress can take alter it. Enjoy...

 

[Denny Crane]

My previous post explains why it's not reasonable to compare those statistics straight across the board.

And yes, I've said before that I think the end goal should be banning guns for ordinary citizens.

You cited someone's pet blog from wordpress.com.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

You cited someone's pet blog from wordpress.com.

So? Did you not see the sources they cited? Just saying it is a blog post means absolutely nothing.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is the same objection some raise to gay marriages. If two women can marry, then it logically follows that a woman can marry a goat.

The answer is, contrary to Denny's assertions, there is a middle ground. Life is full of grey areas, compromise is often necessary.

barfo

Compromise is necessary for abortions, right? I'm pro choice, but I don't see you interested in any compromises of that right that isn't even spelled out in the constitution.

I'm thinking your idea of compromise is only when someone else's oxe is gored.

 

[Denny Crane]

So? Did you not see the sources they cited? Just saying it is a blog post means absolutely nothing.

Find a better source.

Mags finally googled a great source - the UK government. A wordpress.com blog is not to be taken seriously. Anyone can sign up for one of those for free. Surely there's some extremist left wing think tank site that you can cite...

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Find a better source.

Mags finally googled a great source - the UK government. A wordpress.com blog is not to be taken seriously. Anyone can sign up for one of those for free. Surely there's some extremist left wing think tank site that you can cite...

The blog post has good sources and explains it's methodology. I'm fine with it.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://blogs.berkeley.edu/2010/06/16/a-crime-puzzle-violent-crime-declines-in-america/

 

[Denny Crane]

They used official sources. The fact that they are an "activist" doesn't change the numbers.

SlyPokerDog misuses official sources all the time.

You have no idea how qualified the blogger is to discuss the subject with any authority.

See my link above, to a Berkely sociology professor's publication.

Also note violent crime in the US was rapidly declining before the Brady law.

 

[barfo]

Compromise is necessary for abortions, right? I'm pro choice, but I don't see you interested in any compromises of that right that isn't even spelled out in the constitution.

I'm thinking your idea of compromise is only when someone else's oxe is gored.

I don't remember ever talking to you about abortion, but there are plenty of compromises going on about abortion.

Would I rather things were done my way all the time? Of course, but that isn't going to happen.

You don't hear me saying "there is no middle ground".

barfo

 

[barfo]

The greatest thing about this amendment is it cannot change. The amendment was written so perfectly, no Supreme Court or congress can take alter it. Enjoy...

Hate to break it to you, but it can (and almost surely eventually will) be changed, by the same process that created it, or by judicial interpretation.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't remember ever talking to you about abortion, but there are plenty of compromises going on about abortion.

Would I rather things were done my way all the time? Of course, but that isn't going to happen.

You don't hear me saying "there is no middle ground".

barfo

There is no middle ground on abortion. If you're against it, it is truly genocide. If you are for it, any infringement on the right is an atrocity.

You good with a 24-hour waiting period for abortions?

I'm not, and consistently against infringement of civil and natural rights.

 

[barfo]

There is no middle ground on abortion.

For you, there's no middle ground on anything. You are an extremist, Denny, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Hey Mags, looks like we've found what caused this kid's mental problems!

[His mother] wrote that she read aloud to her unborn son from Donald Trump’s “The Art of the Deal.”

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

For you, there's no middle ground on anything. You are an extremist, Denny, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

barfo

There is middle ground on regulations and spending the money government TAKES from us.

 

[magnifier661]

Hate to break it to you, but it can (and almost surely eventually will) be changed, by the same process that created it, or by judicial interpretation.

barfo

Any progress? They've been trying to take them away since the 60's

 

[magnifier661]

Hey Mags, looks like we've found what caused this kid's mental problems!



barfo

 

[barfo]

Any progress? They've been trying to take them away since the 60's

Yep. Everytime a gun nut shoots up a school, and all the other gun nuts scream "nothing to see here, move along", a few more people think "wait, that ain't right".

It's a slow process, and no doubt a lot more schools will get shot up while we wait...

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Yep. Everytime a gun nut shoots up a school, and all the other gun nuts scream "nothing to see here, move along", a few more people think "wait, that ain't right".

It's a slow process, and no doubt a lot more schools will get shot up while we wait...

barfo

Nice hyperbole

 

[barfo]

Nice hyperbole

"It's a slow process" is hyperbole?

You don't actually know what hyperbole is, do you?

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

"It's a slow process" is hyperbole?

You don't actually know what hyperbole is, do you?

barfo

No this is hyperbole "Yep. Everytime a gun nut shoots up a school, and all the other gun nuts scream "nothing to see here, move along", a few more people think "wait, that"

 

[barfo]

No this is hyperbole "Yep. Everytime a gun nut shoots up a school, and all the other gun nuts scream "nothing to see here, move along", a few more people think "wait, that"

Which part of that specifically do you think is hyperbole?

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

Jeeze... go camping for a couple days and a 29 page thread emerges.

 

[magnifier661]

Which part of that specifically do you think is hyperbole?

barfo

The "nothing to see here"

That isn't going on, especially with the recent tragedy.

 

[barfo]

The "nothing to see here"

That isn't going on, especially with the recent tragedy.

"Stuff happens" -- Jeb Bush

I'm too tired to go back and find a good Mags quote, but it seems to me you've been arguing that any discussion of gun control is "politicizing the tragedy".

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

"Stuff happens" -- Jeb Bush

I'm too tired to go back and find a good Mags quote, but it seems to me you've been arguing that any discussion of gun control is "politicizing the tragedy".

barfo

It is, so I'll admit to that.

I don't think "Jeb Bush" is anyone I claim can speak for gun rights advocation. I don't think he can really speak about anything for that matter