Gun Control, Mental healthcare, big brother... thread

[magnifier661]

Domestic violence in homes with guns women are 12x more likely to be killed. It's not the same with homes with knives.

This is simply a bad argument that compares apples to oranges. Guns are instruments of death. Knives chop up your salad...

Link?

 

[Natebishop3]

Domestic violence in homes with guns women are 12x more likely to be killed. It's not the same with homes with knives.

This is simply a bad argument that compares apples to oranges. Guns are instruments of death. Knives chop up your salad...

You keep using this statistic. Maybe women should stop marrying abusive assholes? Just a thought.

 

[magnifier661]

Under Obama you can take your firearm to WAY more places than you can under Bush.

Who said anything about Bush or Obama? I am asking you if you would be open to give the same privileges to guns as we would to cars?

 

[blue32]

You don't think a knife is an instrument of death? It's one of the oldest instruments of death

You keep using this statistic. Maybe women should stop marrying abusive assholes? Just a thought.

I don't think he understands the stuff he's spouting off about. At least not fully. He's got what they call, tunnel vision sir.

 

[MarAzul]

Bottom line:

You nor I have a right to a car. We do not have a right to drive a car.
The Constitution of the United States gives us the right to bear arms (including guns). It does not give us any rights at all about cars. As per the 10th amendment, regulation of cars is left to the states. Do you understand? If you do, then purpose and amendment that would be logical enough to gain support. This is the accepted procedure, whining is not recognized.
Actually the right to bear arms came from the creator, and was first written in the Law of Nations. Thankfully the founders knew this and restated the Right in the Constitution.

I would be willing to listen to a logical Constitutional amendment, I even put forward a possible adjustment that actually would have stopped the most resent shooters, but no one considered it. That does make me think that the whole agenda is simply to ignore the Constitution's 2nd amendment and eliminate guns. This is not going to happen without war.

 

[Natebishop3]

You nor I have a right to a car. We do not have a right to drive a car.
The Constitution of the United States gives us the right to bear arms (including guns). It does not give us any rights at all about cars. As per the 10th amendment, regulation of cars is left to the states. Do you understand? If you do, then purpose and amendment that would be logical enough to gain support. This is the accepted procedure, whining is not recognized.
Actually the right to bear arms came from the creator, and was first written in the Law of Nations. Thankfully the founders knew this and restated the Right in the Constitution.

I would be willing to listen to a logical Constitutional amendment, I even put forward a possible adjustment that actually would have stopped the most resent shooters, but no one considered it. That does make me think that the whole agenda is simply to ignore the Constitution's 2nd amendment and eliminate guns. This is not going to happen without war.

I think most of these people want to eliminate guns, but they're afraid to come out and say it. They throw out terms like "gun control" because they don't have the guts to come right out and say what they really want.

 

[dviss1]

You keep using this statistic. Maybe women should stop marrying abusive assholes? Just a thought.

So let's blame women... Shameful...

 

[dviss1]

I think most of these people want to eliminate guns, but they're afraid to come out and say it. They throw out terms like "gun control" because they don't have the guts to come right out and say what they really want.

They don't throw that term out. That's neurolistic programming from Frank Luntz. It's called Gun Safety.

 

[MarAzul]

I think most of these people want to eliminate guns, but they're afraid to come out and say it. They throw out terms like "gun control" because they don't have the guts to come right out and say what they really want.

I think you are correct.

 

[dviss1]

You keep using this statistic. Maybe women should stop marrying abusive assholes? Just a thought.

Study by Johns Hopkins:

"Family and intimate assaults with firearms are 12 times more likely to result in death than nonfirearm assaults. This research suggests that limiting access to guns will result in less lethal family and intimate assaults"

http://www.jhsph.edu/research/cente...policy-and-research/publications/IPV_Guns.pdf

 

[Natebishop3]

So let's blame women... Shameful...

If their husband is abusive, have him arrested and leave him. Period.

If they stay in an abusive relationship, and they refuse to do anything about the abuse, then what are we supposed to do/say about it?

 

[MarAzul]

Study by Johns Hopkins

Bull shit!

Do you have a logical amendment to the Constitution to put forward?

 

[Natebishop3]

Bull shit!

Do you have a logical amendment to the Constitution to put forward?

He wants insurance on all firearms and some kind of psychological check on anyone who wants to buy one. I have no idea how that's going to work.

 

[MarAzul]

He wants insurance on all firearms and some kind of psychological check on anyone who wants to buy one. I have no idea how that's going to work.

Both sound like infringements, So an amendment would be required.

 

[Sedatedfork]

If their husband is abusive, have him arrested and leave him. Period.

If they stay in an abusive relationship, and they refuse to do anything about the abuse, then what are we supposed to do/say about it?

I guess nothing. If he beats her up, kills her, it was her fault because she didn't do anything about it? Just so you know there have been people that have done something about it (i.e. left him, asked for restraining orders, and the like) and are still brutally killed.

 

[Natebishop3]

I guess nothing. If he beats her up, kills her, it was her fault because she didn't do anything about it? Just so you know there have been people that have done something about it (i.e. left him, asked for restraining orders, and the like) and are still brutally killed.

And I'm not talking about them, but if his stance is that a woman in an abusive relationship is 12x more likely to be killed with a gun in the home, I'd say the first step is to leave the abusive asshole.

 

[MARIS61]

They don't throw that term out. That's neurolistic programming from Frank Luntz. It's called Gun Safety.

Nonsense.

It's called lying.

 

[MARIS61]

Which part of that specifically do you think is hyperbole?

barfo

All of it.

 

[dviss1]

If their husband is abusive, have him arrested and leave him. Period.

If they stay in an abusive relationship, and they refuse to do anything about the abuse, then what are we supposed to do/say about it?

Huh? You're making things up as you go along. Stop blaming women...

 

[dviss1]

He wants insurance on all firearms and some kind of psychological check on anyone who wants to buy one. I have no idea how that's going to work.

We had no idea how we'd land on the moon but we did. Gun safety laws are needed.

@MARIS61

Regardless of what you think or believe, your 2nd amendment right CAN be regulated.

 

[MARIS61]

So, how much more in taxes are you willing to pay to put trained, armed guards in every school? How much more in taxes are you willing to pay to put in metal detectors and other security devices?

barfo

You really don't pay attention, do you?

Firstly, coercive use of metal detectors is an unConstitutional search.

Second, they don't fucking work.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Educat...-shooting-raises-doubts-about-metal-detectors

All legal citizens have the right to bear arms.

Anywhere, anytime, without infringement. (Only in America.)

You also have the right to remain unarmed if you wish.

Anywhere, anytime, without infringement. (But not in Switzerland.)

There are nearly 200 countries in the world where you don't have those freedoms, or most of the freedoms that are defended by The Second Amendment, and if it's too large a responsibility for you I suggest you move to one of them and become a subject, rather than a citizen.

 

[dviss1]

You guys are clamoring for more attention to mental health and are against having psych evals for firearm purchases?

So you aren't for mental health....

 

[dviss1]

You really don't pay attention, do you?

Firstly, coercive use of metal detectors is an unConstitutional search.

Second, they don't fucking work.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Educat...-shooting-raises-doubts-about-metal-detectors

All legal citizens have the right to bear arms.

Anywhere, anytime, without infringement. (Only in America.)

You also have the right to remain unarmed if you wish.

Anywhere, anytime, without infringement. (But not in Switzerland.)

There are nearly 200 countries in the world where you don't have those freedoms, or most of the freedoms that are defended by The Second Amendment, and if it's too large a responsibility for you I suggest you move to one of them and become a subject, rather than a citizen.

This is NOT true. Your 2nd Amendment right CAN be regulated. As a matter of fact it already has! Why can't you own a Bazooka? Why can't you own an RPG?

 

[dviss1]

You really don't pay attention, do you?

Firstly, coercive use of metal detectors is an unConstitutional search.

Second, they don't fucking work.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Educat...-shooting-raises-doubts-about-metal-detectors

All legal citizens have the right to bear arms.

Anywhere, anytime, without infringement. (Only in America.)

You also have the right to remain unarmed if you wish.

Anywhere, anytime, without infringement. (But not in Switzerland.)

There are nearly 200 countries in the world where you don't have those freedoms, or most of the freedoms that are defended by The Second Amendment, and if it's too large a responsibility for you I suggest you move to one of them and become a subject, rather than a citizen.

Why can't you yell Fire in a crowded theater? Why can't you slander another person? Because your 1st Amendment right has been regulated.

 

[MARIS61]

Regardless of what I think or believe, your 2nd amendment right is ABSOLUTE.

fify.

 

[MarAzul]

natural born citizen

We had no idea how we'd land on the moon but we did. Gun safety laws are needed.

@MARIS61

Regardless of what you think or believe, your 2nd amendment right CAN be regulated.

You mean, ignored! If anyone was going to do it, it would be Obama. Well what the fuck is holding him up??

Ha! Probably lack of guts.

 

[dviss1]

fify.

Answer the question:

Why can't you own a Bazooka? Why can't you own an RPG?

 

[Natebishop3]

Huh? You're making things up as you go along. Stop blaming women...

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. You just tow all the PC lines. I don't think YOU even know what you're talking about anymore.

 

[dviss1]

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. You just tow all the PC lines. I don't think YOU even know what you're talking about anymore.

I know exactly what you're talking about. You're blaming women for "staying in abusive relationships" to deflect against the fact that they are 12x more likely to be killed in domestic violence situation.

AND there's no such thing as PC it's called respect...

 

[dviss1]

Anyone??

Why can't you own a Bazooka? Why can't you own an RPG?