Gun Control

[the_pestilence]

"We don't need gun control, we need bullet control. Make it cost 5000 dollars to buy a bullet. That way, when you piss a guy off he'll say 'Motherf_cka! I'ma get me a second job, and work overtime, and in a few months you better watch yo' back!"

 

[Combs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Apr 16 2007, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Giving handguns to teachers is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.</div>Na I can just see my old 65 year old accounting teacher packin heat and gettin into a shootout with some gangster who brings a gun to school. Or even better yet, just some kid mouthin off. Teachers deserve guns, it's pretty obvious. And when they go to the bathroom, and the gun was unprotected in her desk..nothing would ever take place from that.Afterall guns don't kill people, people do. Everybody gets a gun!!

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 16 2007, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was actually coming back to this thread to post that article as well.This stuff happens everyday. The last thing these crazy fukks need is easy access to a gun. When it's so easy like it is, this crap will happen. It's never gonna stop..in fact it will just get worse. Much worse. And your solution is...MORE GUNS?Yeah let's give everybody a gun,that way nobody will ever kill anybody. You are so clueless man.</div> I comp[letely agree Combs. In today's shooting it wouldn't have mattered if the professor had a gun. That student would've known and would have taken measures to kill him first. Thus, giving the shooter another weapon. See, it doesn't accomplish anything because attackers like this would plan for the teacher having one, in fact, it makes the teacher more of a target.....thus why I don't ever want teachers having guns, first, I don't think it's needed, second, it's more dangerous and teachers are teachers, not police officers. Same reason why I think pilots shouldn't have weapons but air marshalls should be allowed on planes. Putting firearms in teachers hands doesn't solve anything, it just gives potential attackers a weapon to take, it sends the wrong message to students, I'm sure teachers don't want to carry guns, no school should have 30 teachers with 9mm's.....it's insanity in my mind....it makes the problem worse.

 

[The Captain]

Alright, I may have overreacted on some parts, but it just makes me utterly pissed when things like this happen and the gun control crazies come out in full force and say guns are what caused this. Like guns are the devil's tool.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Captain @ Apr 16 2007, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alright, I may have overreacted on some parts, but it just makes me utterly pissed when things like this happen and the gun control crazies come out in full force and say guns are what caused this. Like guns are the devil's tool.</div> Bottom line. You can't stop things like this. But you have to do what you can within reason, without making things worse. For example School shootings - Turn schools into prisons and give teachers guns Terrorist attack - Take away peoples rights and turn the country into a police state. Controversial radio - Fire anyone who makes a controversial statment.

 

[The Captain]

I think I summed it up well in another forum-My solution is it's not worth it to punish the responsible gun owners for the crazies who kill people in homicide. I could see it if hundreds of thousands of people were being murdered by guns each year. If 50% of all guns bought were used in crimes, I could see it as well. But the 10,000 people who are murdered by guns, and the .05 percent of guns that are used in deaths, isn't enough IMO. It is tragic, but you can't just jump out and say "Guns=Bad, all should be gone". You have to look at the whole picture. Freemen own guns, slaves don't. People have a right to defend themselves and their loved ones. Being free comes with cost people. You can't expect it to be perfect. I personally feel guns are just like alcohol. If used responsibly, it's great. If not, it could result in deaths.By the way Combs, what's up with Pistons.com?

 

[Something-To-Say]

Tim Duncan should've had a gun so he could shoot Joey Crawford for throwing him out for laughing.Also, put me in your al sharpton is a hypocrite club

 

[MaRdYC26]

We just saw today why gun control in America should be stricter.

 

[Rok]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Alright, I may have overreacted on some parts</div>Least you admit it.I don't think I ever gave my stance on gun control but mostly because I don't really have one. I see both points of view and while gun control may sound good on paper. Let's face it, everyone has to be on the same page for it to work. Everyone, otherwise it will just fail like Communism. May look like a great idea on paper, when executed, it will fail.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Apr 16 2007, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We just saw today why gun control in America should be stricter.</div> Yes, because stricter gun laws would have prevented this young man with a perfect record from getting a weapon, do you live in a dream world?

 

[Combs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But the 10,000 people who are murdered by guns, and the .05 percent of guns that are used in deaths, isn't enough IMO.</div>Do you know anybody that has been killed by a gunman?Maybe if you were a father to one of these kids who were killed today, you wouldn't sound so gun crazy, but I dunno.And I hope the Pistons.com forum is dead for good.

 

[MaRdYC26]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Apr 16 2007, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you know anybody that has been killed by a gunman?Maybe if you were a father to one of these kids who were killed today, you wouldn't sound so gun crazy, but I dunno.And I hope the Pistons.com forum is dead for good.</div>yeah, I know...its like gays: if your kid is gay, your views on it will probably change if u were against it previously...

 

[Rok]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>its like gays: if your kid is gay, your views on it will probably change if u were against it previously...</div>...or the parents disown the kid.

 

[redneck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>We just saw today why gun control in America should be stricter.</div>No we just saw what a nutcase can do with a gun. had he wanted to he could have killed everyone with propaine bombs, he just chose a gun. also, gun control isn't going to stop the criminal element from commiting these crimes; criminals will still get guns illegally. Guns are the second most illegally imported thing in the US, if tighter gun control is inforced the number of illegal guns in this country will skyrocket. I for one would rather have lots of legal guns, than lots of illegal guns, because legal guns are tracable, illegal ones usually aren't.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Apr 16 2007, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No we just saw what a nutcase can do with a gun. had he wanted to he could have killed everyone with propaine bombs, he just chose a gun.</div> Bingo.

 

[Something-To-Say]

How the F*ck would he get propane bombs though genius? Nobody's going to think of that. If guns aren't sold for recreational use, this'd all be different, and I guarantee not as bad.

 

[Rok]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>How the F*ck would he get propane bombs though genius?</div>Homemade bombs are not hard to come by. Look at Columbine, they had propane bombs with them.

 

[Something-To-Say]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Apr 16 2007, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Homemade bombs are not hard to come by. Look at Columbine, they had propane bombs with them.</div>Yeah, but please, that was a lot different. This seems to be more a spur of the moment. And most normal people don't just 'know how or where to get a homeade bomb'.

 

[redneck]

Propaine is easier to buy and cheaper than guns. and speaking strictly from my schools campus, it wouldn't be hard nor very odd to see someone bringing in propaine, or even natural gas. college campus's have hundreds of people comming and going every day, bringing in all sorts of things.A lot of people think about ways to carry out massive attacks, hell the pentagon pays nutcases to plan attacks. this guy obviously planned to carry out this attack, and if he wanted to he could have used other methoods. banning guns isn't going to stop the violence, it's just going to give it another form.

 

[MaRdYC26]

Do you gun supporters realize how easy it was for this guy to get the guns? All you have to do is be over 18 I believe, and you can purchase one gun per month. There are NO RESTRICTIONS AT ALL in Virginia.

 

[the_pestilence]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>banning guns isn't going to stop the violence, it's just going to give it another form.</div>that's like saying "banning all current NBA allstars from the league isn't going to get rid of allstars, it'll just give them another form". While that's true, the new allstars will be weaker and less proficient and efficient, much as the new methods would be less common, cheap, and/or efficient.

 

[Combs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Apr 16 2007, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that's like saying "banning all current NBA allstars from the league isn't going to get rid of allstars, it'll just give them another form". While that's true, the new allstars will be weaker and less proficient and efficient, much as the new methods would be less common, cheap, and/or efficient.</div>Great effing example there man.

 

[redneck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Apr 16 2007, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you gun supporters realize how easy it was for this guy to get the guns? All you have to do is be over 18 I believe, and you can purchase one gun per month. There are NO RESTRICTIONS AT ALL in Virginia.</div>I read somewhere that this guys finger prints aren't on file, that tells me he didn't buy his guns legally since most states require finger print identification to buy a hand gun, which is reportedly what he used. so again we go back to this thing I've been saying all along, banning guns doesn't stop the violence because the criminal element will still get them.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Apr 16 2007, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that's like saying "banning all current NBA allstars from the league isn't going to get rid of allstars, it'll just give them another form". While that's true, the new allstars will be weaker and less proficient and efficient, much as the new methods would be less common, cheap, and/or efficient.</div>For a while yes it would waterdown everything, but once someone became proficient in the technology they could use it to great effect. If you took a 3rd century Arch, and a skilled person with a gun today, and had them both fire at the same target, the archer is going to be as accurant as the gunslinger. it really isn't the technology, it's the user. if there were no guns, people would begin to use knifes, axes, bows and arrows ect to replace their guns.

 

[Rok]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but please, that was a lot different. This seems to be more a spur of the moment. And most normal people don't just 'know how or where to get a homeade bomb'.</div>A spur of the moment? This was a planned attack.And the point he was trying to make with the bombs is if the person wanted to hurt people, they could even without guns. So I don't see it out of the ordinary for those folks to learn how to make bombs and carry out their attack. I don't know why you say normal people because normal people aren't the ones killing one another.

 

[Memphology]

Larry King had a criminal profiler on tonight, and the gun control issue came up, and she basicly said that he was going to kill people with a gun or not. She noted it defiently wouldnt have been 33 murders, but if somebody wants to kill people or in this guys case, just doesn't care, he can can do it without guns. I saw a post by Mardy stating this is why gun control should be stricter, and I have to say I agree. I know this guy had a clean record, but it being stricter could prevent alotve shootings. Do better background checks, maybe make a gun license stricter. But guns still shouldnt be banned...

 

[Combs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Apr 16 2007, 11:36 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Larry King had a criminal profiler on tonight, and the gun control issue came up, and she basicly said that he was going to kill people with a gun or not. She noted it defiently wouldnt have been 33 murders, but if somebody wants to kill people or in this guys case, just doesn't care, he can can do it without guns. I saw a post by Mardy stating this is why gun control should be stricter, and I have to say I agree. I know this guy had a clean record, but it being stricter could prevent alotve shootings. Do better background checks, maybe make a gun license stricter. But guns still shouldnt be banned...</div>He would have done it with what? A knife? a baseball bat? He'd a been lucky to kill one person before he was takin down. If the guy has 3 guns and hundrends of ammo forget it...it's over. You can't protect yourself. Unless you agree with the captain...just give everybody a gun.

 

[Memphology]

No, as I noted, he wouldnt have killed as many people, but with a knife, he couldve atleast injured 5 people(which is ALOT better than killing 32). But he wouldve probably still killed people. These things are going to happen, but I think in the long run, it protects more than people realize.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Apr 16 2007, 06:46 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'>Do you gun supporters realize how easy it was for this guy to get the guns? All you have to do is be over 18 I believe, and you can purchase one gun per month. There are NO RESTRICTIONS AT ALL in Virginia.</div> So what, the guy had a clear record, he would've gotten the guns anyway. All he would've had to do if your stupid gun restrictions were in place would be to wait a few more days. Oh, S2S, you got owned.

 

[Milgod]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Apr 17 2007, 02:09 AM) </div><div class='quotemain'>if there were no guns, people would begin to use knifes, axes, bows and arrows ect to replace their guns.</div>I'm sorry but thats bull. The fact is that if guns were not so readily available there would be thousands less murders a year. Why are there not tens of thousdands of murders in the UK each year? Its not because the British are less aggro, trust me.

 

[Rok]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry but thats bull.</div>It's bull in that there will never be no guns. There will always be guns, you give some person the right materials and you got yourself a gun. And with gun control, it still doesn't stop such things as happening. There are ways to getting around gun control. And sh*t like this shooting will continue to happen. People just need to realize that.Not trying to put the conversation off topic but this blame game is really stupid towards the police. Honestly, if you expect a city sized environment to be lockdowned in ample time and with commuters coming through still, it's impossible. And I learned today, only 9,000 live on campus. How do you expect to get word to those commuters?