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SlyPokerDog said:
Because as DeVos pointed out our schools have a bear problem.
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Let's use the liberal logic about the NC bathroom law. No men that wanted to attack women in a bathroom were prevented from doing so before the law, correct?

No school shooter is prevented from shooting up a school now so whatever. If someone were to get their hands on a teacher's concealed weapon then that could be a problem but what are the odds?

As for military bases I don't even begin to understand how our police can have guns at work but our military can't.
 
blue32 said:
The only people gun free zones stop from carrying, are the law abiding citizens.
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Yes... and therefore anyone who is carrying is a outlaw and can be identified as such.

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Rastapopoulos said:
This is quite simply criminally insane:

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Why is this criminally insane? Liberals and Democrats have utterly and totally failed on Gun Control; just as they have for decades.

Gun Free Zones don't work. I'm surprised that this hasn't occurred to you people yet.
 
Jade Falcon said:
Why is this criminally insane? Liberals and Democrats have utterly and totally failed on Gun Control; just as they have for decades.
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They have failed to INSTITUTE gun control because the NRA owns Republicans (and some Dems), who block them.

Or are you saying that gun control measures have been instituted and have failed to curb violence? Well, we'd have to do studies to check that, wouldn't we? Why haven't we? Oh that's right: because Republicans (bought by the NRA, remember) have removed all funding for any such studies! Strange, eh? It's almost as if they're worried that the studies would show that more guns mean more deaths.

Jade Falcon said:
Gun Free Zones don't work. I'm surprised that this hasn't occurred to you people yet.
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Maybe it hasn't occurred because it's kinda stupid? The entire country of Japan is a gun-free zone.

But this should make you feel happy (if indeed you have that in you) and safe:
 
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What a bunch of garbage.

They have failed to INSTITUTE gun control because the NRA owns Republicans (and some Dems), who block them.
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The Democrats instituted 10 years of gun control measures in 1994, and they had NO effect on crime. And you can quote the FBI on that.

And don't forget Columbine!

Or are you saying that gun control measures have been instituted and have failed to curb violence?
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That's exactly what I'm saying. Otherwise, Chicago, Washington DC, LA, and the Bay Area would all be the safest places in the country.

And they're NOT.

Well, we'd have to do studies to check that, wouldn't we?
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Indeed. Go check the crime statistics of each of those places, and get back to me. And don't cherry-pick your statistics either....I know how much you like biased, kiss-your-ass information from Leftist publications like the WaPo and the LATimes, but really.....do some unbiased research for once.

Why haven't we? Oh that's right: because Republicans (bought by the NRA, remember)
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Yeah, nice try....but the NRA doesn't buy out Republicans. They spend their money on court cases through the ILA (which wouldn't be necessary if the Left didn't fight to deny Civil Rights to the populace all the time), and donate the rest of that money to other Gun Rights organizations around the country.

But let's assume for a minute that they did "buy out Republicans"....

Why haven't the Democrats caught on? I know how much the Democrats like hand-outs and free money that they didn't earn. You would think that they would be sucking the NRA's dick here.

What's that? You mean....Democrat politicians don't like guns, and don't respect the 2A?

Gee....YOU DON'T SAY!

The entire country of Japan is a gun-free zone.
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So is France, but that didn't stop terrorists from using guns to kill a bunch of people.

You know where else is a gun free zone? China. You know China....the same Communist regime that Obama sold our jobs to....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

....wait a minute...what's that you say? Japan isn't the US? You mean....Japan doesn't have the same culture, laws, beliefs, or infrastructure that we do here? Or the same population numbers or demographic lay-out?

You mean, Japan is a different country entirely, and there is absolutely no comparison between our country and theirs?

The idea that Japanese gun laws should serve as model for other nations is not uncommon. Some Americans propose laws even more severe than Japan's.[124] Often, the suggestion comes as an offhand remark in an newspaper editorial, but even when the suggestion is advanced by scholars, the reasoning is often superficial and unpersuasive.
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http://www.guncite.com/journals/dkjgc.html

Gee....YOU DON'T SAY!

But this should make you feel happy (if indeed you have that in you) and safe:
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It does indeed. Especially since no mass shooting has ever been committed by anyone living under Social Security for mental issues.

Not to mention the fact that there is no way to investigate someone's mental health before purchasing a firearm without violating patient privacy laws. And to deny someone that Civil Right without legal council violates Due Process. But hey....we've already established that you don't like anything that involves legal rights, due process, civil rights....you know, any of those inconvenient things....

I've been on Social Security, but hey....all you Democrats and lovers of Obama told me that I didn't need to worry because Obama wasn't going to take my guns.

Well...he did do his damnedest to deny me a Civil Right.....
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Maybe it hasn't occurred because it's kinda stupid? The entire country of Japan is a gun-free zone.
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You know in your source it says "The entire country of Japan is not a gun-free zone."

They have shooting clubs

The 1964 Summer Olympics hosted many types of shooting at their ranges

In Japan the allowed reasons to own guns is limited to two, i.e., hunting or sports shooting.
It means they cannot own guns for defense purposes.

http://yarchive.net/gun/politics/japan_gun.html is a very interesting read about owning a gun in Japan.

Just taking out a gun in public is a violation of the swords and firearms control law,

"The relationship between gun possession and crimes or suicides has not been studied in great detail. There are very few deaths by gunshot in Japan, which has a low homicide rate overall. The suicide rate, on the other hand, is very high, and many speculate that if Japanese people were able to possess guns more freely, the suicide rate would rise sharply. However, no scientific research has been conducted on that question."

"As of 2011, the total number of guns permitted to be possessed by civilians in Japan was 271,100. The numbers have shown an annual decline: 839,086 in 1980, 533,251 in 1990, and 444,210 in 2000."

You'd have to find a current amount of guns, conflate it to match the USA population, remove suicides from USA gun stats and then maybe you'd have a number to work with. This of course doesn't count the guns owned by Japanese Military or Police.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
All jokes aside i could see this very thing becomming an issue with that law. Liberals are currently labeling any trump supporter a racist nazi. Whats to stop them from labeling all gun owners mentally ill?
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Oh they already labeled us as baby-killers after Newtown.

Who knew? All this time I thought I was some innocent guy minding my own business. I had no idea I was guilty by association.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
All jokes aside i could see this very thing becomming an issue with that law. Liberals are currently labeling any trump supporter a racist nazi. Whats to stop them from labeling all gun owners mentally ill?
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Yes, the government was planning on taking every Trump supporters gun.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Do you believe in any regulations concerning guns? Some don't, some do.
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I believe, at this point in our country's history, that they do more harm than good.

Making me register a rifle with the Federal Government just because it has a barrel length less than 16 inches (and it's a Federal Felony if you don't)?

Reducing pistol magazine capacity to 10 rounds (or less, if you live in New York)?

That's just fucking stupid, and they do nothing to keep people safe.
 
Jade Falcon said:
I believe, at this point in our country's history, that they do more harm than good.

Making me register a rifle with the Federal Government just because it has a barrel length less than 16 inches (and it's a Federal Felony if you don't)?

Reducing pistol magazine capacity to 10 rounds (or less, if you live in New York)?

That's just fucking stupid, and they do nothing to keep people safe.
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You didn't really answer my question. Do you believe in any gun regulations?
 
As long as I live I will never understand the raw sexual passion people have in this country for guns. It can't possibly be that they actually BELIEVE that more guns = fewer deaths, because that's crazy (see numbers of Americans killed by actual toddlers). So I guess the argument is:
1. We need our guns to fight the gub'mint. Remember, the NAZIS TOOK AWAY GUNS FIRST!
Response: I don't think guns will slow down the gub'mint much. But I'm sure the NRA is working to expand the right to include shoulder-fired missiles and small nuclear devices.
2. There are already so many (beautiful, sexy) guns in this country that you can't disarm people, so the only way for the rest of us to be safe is if we arm EVERYBODY.
Response: Every household in Switzerland has a rifle but somehow they manage it. Maybe look into it? How did Japan do it?
3. No really, we're actually safer because of our guns!
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4. But suicides don't count!
Response: why the fuck not? What if people kill themselves because it's so fucking easy, whereas they might be more likely to work through it without guns? Otherwise are you saying that life is so miserable in the US that so many more people want to kill themselves? And anyway, the US still wins handily with homicides.
5. It's in the CONSTITUTION, snowflake!
Response: sure, so what? God didn't write the constitution. There are a few embarrassing things in that thing that got changed. And besides, the reason for the second amendment is pretty shady.

 
Jade Falcon said:
Sly....



The answer to your question is clearly no.

We have enough gun control as it is.
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Okay, so you fine with some of the regulations and laws we have now or you don't think there shouldn't be any laws or regulations? No asking if there should be new laws or regulations.
 
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