Harkless resolves after Crabbe decision?

[Natebishop3]

Common sense would mean you would quote the message you wanted for maximum context.

Didn't it literally come from an article?

 

[Denny Crane]

When the Bulls signed Pau Gasol, it was at first reported he was promised a starting job. Then the reports came out that he wasn't. He started every game he was not injured.

I think Turner is going to start, but Stotts could choose to use him heavily off the bench and to close out games. The idea is 2 of Dame, CJ, ET on the court at all times. At 8:00 into Q1, Stotts brings in ET and AC and Davis. Something like that.

That allows Aminu at SF and Vonleh at PF like last year. Or Leonard. If we end up with Mo, he could start, like in the playoffs.

We have crazy depth and talent. It's going to be a fun season and fun team to watch.

 

[boredinsalem]

the conversation has reminded me of andre miller signing and nate starting blake ahead of him. miller sulked. best player starts. no "promises.

The difference being that Blake couldn't hold Mo's jock strap. Blake/Roy/Nate had a polyamorous thing going on though so Andre (and any bigs wanting and entry pass or cutters hoping for a bounce pass) was left out in the cold.

 

[lawai'a]

We have crazy depth and talent. It's going to be a fun season and fun team to watch.

never in a million years could i have predicted this outcome after LA chose SA. but i wouldn't trade who we are now for who we might have been. so satisfying and enjoyable this and last season's editions of the Blazers

 

[lawai'a]

The difference being that Blake couldn't hold Mo's jock strap. Blake/Roy/Nate had a polyamorous thing going on though so Andre (and any bigs wanting and entry pass or cutters hoping for a bounce pass) was left out in the cold.

i understand the difference, also understand it stunted teams developement in the process. Blazers were a better team starting Dre .best player should start

 

[BigGameDamian]

Then what's he holding out for?

 

[BonesJones]

Then what's he holding out for?

More money than Portland offered.

 

[Driew]

More money than Portland offered.

He'd be dumb not to--worst case scenario he signs the QO,

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yep, that appears to be the most logical choice, but Olshey made zero comments about Turner starting (as jlprk claims). All we've seen is a story out of Boston, after they lost Turner, that was refuted by Turner.

As always, minutes are earned. If Harkless wants to start, he needs to come into camp and prove he deserves it. Simple as that.

BNM

Yep.
And every hour he wastes on this free agency standoff, is that much more time he could use maximizing his focus on improving in the off season, but right now, His thoughts have to be bouncing around, I am sure.

 

[jlprk]

You keep harping on this whole, Neil-said-Turner-would-start-and-that's-why-Harkless-hasn't-re-signed spiel, but haven't presented any evidence to back up your speculation. As usual, you just expect us to accept your version of the truth.

I didn't cite a link because it is a well-known report that Turner said he had been told he will start. It has been mentioned on this board several times. Apparently, you wanted a link from me because it was news to you. I assumed you were up on the subject, since you were writing about it in a style of bombastic authority. Your style of certitude makes you look foolish when you're wrong, as in the quote above.

E_Blazer did the homework you failed to do and found that Turner told a Boston reporter July 1 that Turner had been told by the Blazers that he will start. The report didn't name the Blazer person, but who else would tell him that other than Olshey, or Stotts with Olshey's knowledge. I suppose you'll speculate that it could have been a trainer or a secretary, to continue your line that it wasn't Olshey. On July 7, the day of his Portland press conference, Turner told at least one Portland reporter that he had not been told that he will start.

In other words, on July 7, Turner said that he had lied on July 1. Therefore, he either lied on July 1, or July 7. A theory that would make sense is, he told the truth July 1 (why would he lie that he'd been told he will start?), arrived in Portland, and Olshey told him to quietly let slip after the press conference that he had lied July 1, when really he had told the truth July 1, and instead lied July 7.

Without cherry-picked statistics, your only way to save your pompous, bombastic, win-at-any-cost pride is to stick with your insistence that Olshey didn't tell Turner July 1 that he would start...because someone else did. Here's a good out for you: Theorize that Stotts told Turner July 1 without Olshey's knowledge. When Olshey heard that Turner was saying it, Olshey had Turner flip-flop on July 7. That theory could weasel you out of this. There, I helped you save face, which is what you're all about.

July 1--Boston's Mark Murphy

July 7--Portland's Jay Allen

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

"Will work for millions of dollars."

 

[Strenuus]

Didn't it literally come from an article?

Woosh! Right over your head.

 

[BigGameDamian]

"Will work for millions of dollars."

How's 348 million with bonuses sound?

 

[HailBlazers]

How's 348 million with bonuses sound?

Spot On , per usual BGD.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

How's 348 million with bonuses sound?

Luckily with the bird exception we can pay him whatever it takes to keep him. The fact that he's the new kid in town makes it imperative that he be retained as a member of the Portland Trailblazers no matter the cost. Am I doing it right?

 

[BigGameDamian]

Luckily with the bird exception we can pay him whatever it takes to keep him. The fact that he's the new kid in town makes it imperative that he be retained as a member of the Portland Trailblazers no matter the cost. Am I doing it right?

 

[riverman]

Should know soon if he takes the qualifying offer..he should. Don't know what they're waiting for unless Neil has a last minute sign and trade lined up

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Should know soon if he takes the qualifying offer..he should. Don't know what they're waiting for unless Neil has a last minute sign and trade lined up

I will tell you what they are waiting for. Harkless doesn't want the QO. That is the last resort for him. He wants to stay with POR for longer than a year.

 

[PCmor7]

I didn't cite a link because it is a well-known report that Turner said he had been told he will start. It has been mentioned on this board several times. Apparently, you wanted a link from me because it was news to you. I assumed you were up on the subject, since you were writing about it in a style of bombastic authority. Your style of certitude makes you look foolish when you're wrong, as in the quote above.

E_Blazer did the homework you failed to do and found that Turner told a Boston reporter July 1 that Turner had been told by the Blazers that he will start. The report didn't name the Blazer person, but who else would tell him that other than Olshey, or Stotts with Olshey's knowledge. I suppose you'll speculate that it could have been a trainer or a secretary, to continue your line that it wasn't Olshey. On July 7, the day of his Portland press conference, Turner told at least one Portland reporter that he had not been told that he will start.

In other words, on July 7, Turner said that he had lied on July 1. Therefore, he either lied on July 1, or July 7. A theory that would make sense is, he told the truth July 1 (why would he lie that he'd been told he will start?), arrived in Portland, and Olshey told him to quietly let slip after the press conference that he had lied July 1, when really he had told the truth July 1, and instead lied July 7.

Without cherry-picked statistics, your only way to save your pompous, bombastic, win-at-any-cost pride is to stick with your insistence that Olshey didn't tell Turner July 1 that he would start...because someone else did. Here's a good out for you: Theorize that Stotts told Turner July 1 without Olshey's knowledge. When Olshey heard that Turner was saying it, Olshey had Turner flip-flop on July 7. That theory could weasel you out of this. There, I helped you save face, which is what you're all about.

July 1--Boston's Mark Murphy

July 7--Portland's Jay Allen

Did Murphy ever report that Turner told him he was promised he would start? Murphy just tweets Turner was promised he would start, but there's nothing that says where Murphy got that info.

 

[e_blazer]

I will tell you what they are waiting for. Harkless doesn't want the QO. That is the last resort for him. He wants to stay with POR for longer than a year.

Agree. He's waiting hoping that another team will make a bigger offer that the Blazers will probably match even if it puts them into the luxury tax. It seems like every week that goes by, the less chance there is of that. I think ultimately he's going to have to either take the QO or whatever the Blazers are offering, which is probably less than $8M per year to start so that they can stay out of luxury tax territory this year.

 

[riverman]

Agree. He's waiting hoping that another team will make a bigger offer that the Blazers will probably match even if it puts them into the luxury tax. It seems like every week that goes by, the less chance there is of that. I think ultimately he's going to have to either take the QO or whatever the Blazers are offering, which is probably less than $8M per year to start so that they can stay out of luxury tax territory this year.

I thought they offered him 4.1 and one year...at least I read something to that effect.

 

[Hobbesarable]

I thought they offered him 4.1 and one year...at least I read something to that effect.

I believe that was his QO, 1 year $4.04 M.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/maurice-harkless-/

 

[riverman]

Given Mo's history, I think he should take it and wait a year for a bigger paycheck. He'll become a better player in Portland than he would with many other teams.

 

[HailBlazers]

Given Mo's history, I think he should take it and wait a year for a bigger paycheck. He'll become a better player in Portland than he would with many other teams.

That's what I've been saying. @Mediocre Man

 

[Mediocre Man]

Given Mo's history, I think he should take it and wait a year for a bigger paycheck. He'll become a better player in Portland than he would with many other teams.

What is he destroys his knee this year?

 

[Orion Bailey]

What is he destroys his knee this year?

Cant live life on what ifs though.

What if I get into a car accident on my way to work because traffic looks bad this morning? Life is a chance... if you want to gain anything...

 

[e_blazer]

Given Mo's history, I think he should take it and wait a year for a bigger paycheck. He'll become a better player in Portland than he would with many other teams.

From Mo's point of view, I don't see any advantage in taking the QO in July. It's unlikely that the Blazers are going to pull it in order to sign another player. He may as well wait and see if another team will offer up a longer and better deal that Portland can match or not. As of right now, there are still six teams with enough cap space to make an offer that would push the Blazers over the luxury tax threshold:

1 Philadelphia 76ers $23,587,606
2 Denver Nuggets $18,858,484
3 Brooklyn Nets $16,735,735
4 Phoenix Suns $13,242,017
5 OKC Thunder $12,309,750
6 Utah Jazz $9,925,375

I don't know if any of those teams are looking for a SF or if they would think that Mo is the guy they want to spend cap space on, but why would he accept the QO until he's sure that there isn't a better deal out there?

{Edit: I deleted the TWolves. They only have a bit over $8M in cap space and the Blazers still have over $9M in room before hitting the luxury tax threshold. Corrected for omission of Thunder.}

 

[Mediocre Man]

Cant live life on what ifs though.

What if I get into a car accident on my way to work because traffic looks bad this morning? Life is a chance... if you want to gain anything...

That's a poor analogy. Guarnteed long term millions vs 1 year.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That's a poor analogy. Guarnteed long term millions vs 1 year.

Whoa.. who said guaranteed millions? Have yo seen an offer sheet?

Not a poor analogy at all.

 

[Denny Crane]

From Mo's point of view, I don't see any advantage in taking the QO in July. It's unlikely that the Blazers are going to pull it in order to sign another player. He may as well wait and see if another team will offer up a longer and better deal that Portland can match or not. As of right now, there are still five teams with enough cap space to make an offer that would push the Blazers over the luxury tax threshold:

1 Philadelphia 76ers $23,587,606
2 Denver Nuggets $18,858,484
3 Brooklyn Nets $16,735,735
4 Phoenix Suns $13,242,017
5 Utah Jazz $9,925,375

I don't know if any of those teams are looking for a SF or if they would think that Mo is the guy they want to spend cap space on, but why would he accept the QO until he's sure that there isn't a better deal out there?

{Edit: I deleted the TWolves. They only have a bit over $8M in cap space and the Blazers still have over $9M in room before hitting the luxury tax threshold.}

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/por/salary



Looks like the Blazers have ~$9M they could offer and remain under the LT this year.

Philly has Ben Simmons. I think he'll be their SF, no?
Denver has Gallinari and Wilson Chandler
Mo isn't much of an upgrade from PJ Tucker in Phoenix
Utah has Gordon Hayward at SF.

The team that I think would have a real reason to sign Mo is the Nets. They're a hot mess all the way around.

Slim Pickings.